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Death Battle Season Nine Discussion Thread (2) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

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So from what I gather, Silver's possible wincons for this fight correct me if I'm wrong, anyone else lemme know where I went wrong or if there are any others I missed. This is a convoluted MU where most of there haxxes end up cancelling eachother out which is why some stuff I left out.

. potentially greater AP and Durability advantages to an unknown degree
.note; through dimensional tier scaling​
. greater long-ranged attacks with Psychokinesis
. Chronos Control cushion defences against "time huh" nonesense related stuff
. Super Form granting 99 perc haxxes resistances

the highlight being especially, based on UltraGuy's blog.
 
Quantu said:
Next Dragon Ball character matchup?

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• God mortalslayer vs Mortal godslayer - Reverse ideologies

• Became one with the Universe (Abstract/Infinite Zamasu vs Necroverse Gorr)

• We get to see Zamasu take a L
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Credit to ZercherGoroshi

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Chronicplane said:
So from what I gather, Silver's possible wincons for this fight correct me if I'm wrong, anyone else lemme know where I went wrong or if there are any others I missed. This is a convoluted MU where most of there haxxes end up cancelling eachother out which is why some stuff I left out.

. potentially greater AP and Durability advantages to an unknown degree
.note; through dimensional tier scaling​
. greater long-ranged attacks with Psychokinesis
. Chronos Control cushion defences against "time huh" nonesense related stuff
. Super Form granting 99 perc haxxes resistances

the highlight being especially, based on UltraGuy's blog.
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That generally gets the most important aspects yeah. Anything else you could reason is a little convoluted due to haxx related shenanigans. Silvers chaos wish powers MIGHT do something but one of Trunks' resistances could cover it.

Theburgerking11 said:
Nice preview so far. They are giving him the Goku Black arc stuff. They just went over what Time Patrol does and a brief overview of Xenoverse.
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Not gonna lie when they mentioned Goku Black Arc I was fully expecting them to start going into "which means that as a baseline he scales to goku and beerus-"
 
Peter_Quicksilver_Maximoff said:
Can someone post the preview?
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No luck, sorry, no streamable link on the threads so idk where to get it beyond that.

Someone there just described what was in the preview

They seem to thoroughly believe Silver takes it off of Archie Silver's scaling, Archie Solaris, and Silver's energy manip scaling to Dark Enerjak's, and apparently some issues that come with the Keysword? I didn't look much beyond that cause of the usual toxicity stuff lol.
 
Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
No luck, sorry, no streamable link on the threads so idk where to get it beyond that.

Someone there just described what was in the preview

They seem to thoroughly believe Silver takes it off of Archie Silver's scaling, Archie Solaris, and Silver's energy manip scaling to Dark Enerjak's, and apparently some issues that come with the Keysword? I didn't look much beyond that cause of the usual toxicity stuff lol.
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It's fine. When is 4chan not toxic lol
 
TMaakkonen said:
Supposedly the strongest form of Keysword requires outside source help to get fully powered up.

On note, didnt DB give immeasurable speed to base ASonic? ASilver matching Enerjak's attack might make him get that in base too.
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Didn't Silver tag a pissed Base Archie Sonic? Hell he TK both Him and Scourge so really why wouldn't he scale
 
TMaakkonen said:
Supposedly the strongest form of Keysword requires outside source help to get fully powered up.

On note, didnt DB give immeasurable speed to base ASonic? ASilver matching Enerjak's attack might make him get that in base too.
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I think they were contentious on Base Archie being Immeasurable. They should be able to reasonably scale Base Silver to Immeasurable tho off of Enerjak scaling, yeah. im being able to react to the reflect his attacks is solid reasoning.

if they have Base Archie at immeasurable, him tagging an enraged Archie Sonic and Scourge, as well as tagging/briefly holding down ******* Super Scourge in Base could definitely net him it.
 
Kirbonic_Pikmin said:
I think they were contentious on Base Archie being Immeasurable. They should be able to reasonably scale Base Silver to Immeasurable tho off of Enerjak scaling, yeah. im being able to react to the reflect his attacks is solid reasoning.
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Here's what Ultra said

"Again this is where comics get stupid. Sonic really only has a handful of feats that could be considered infinite or immeasurable. This includes outrunning the time stop and having his Super sonic speed being called “incalculable” and his multiversal Chaos control(which affected all zones and the chaos force which is outside space/time)."
 
Tipper17 said:
Didn't Silver tag a pissed Base Archie Sonic? Hell he TK both Him and Scourge so really why wouldn't he scale
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There was a moment where ASonic hit ASilver, but ASilver also was able to catch him yeah, in preboot. Tho the feat DB used was post reboot.

And while Scourge did say "nah" to TK, he was momentarily stopped by it.

If it was super harsh logic, this would be weird to scale, but current DB has no excuse to not scale ASilver to these feats.
 
TMaakkonen said:
There was a moment where ASonic hit ASilver, but ASilver also was able to catch him yeah, in preboot. Tho the feat DB used post reboot.

And while Scourge did say "nah" to TK, he was momentarily stopped by it.

If it was super harsh logic, this would be weird to scale, but current DB has no excuse to not scale ASilver to these feats.
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Yeah obviously the Super Scourge thing is a little contentious, but even Scourge himself admitted he was impressed with Silver's TK and it was able to "bring him to a full stop". His energy manip of Dark Enerjak's attacks on top of that shows that he can at least handle himself in a fight against another multiverse buster in base well enough.

Considering the allowances given to other verses, yeah, this should be no problem.

Tipper17 said:
The more I think about it in a non dimensional Tiering argument both characters are Multi+ and Immeasurable

Factoring dimensional Tiering then Archie Silver edges out thanks to the Chaos Force
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Ignoring dimensional scaling, yeah they'd be about equal in terms of speed and AP. I don't even think scaling chains would make that big a difference honestly.
 
I do have seen "ASilver doesn't have anything special compared to canon version", but like, he stopped a super form temporarily and impressed Super Scourge, as well as redirected attacks of Enerjak, who can erase you from existence and managed to outstall Archie Super Sonic.

ASilver kinda has better AP feats for base scaling than ASonic lol
 
TMaakkonen said:
I do have seen "ASilver doesn't have anything special compared to canon version", but like, he stopped a super form temporarily and impressed Super Scourge, as well as redirected attacks of Enerjak, who can erase you from existence and managed to outstall Archie Super Sonic.

ASilver kinda has better AP feats for base scaling than ASonic lol
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Well, maybe not base ASonic, iirc Sonic took hits from Mogul in Base lol. But yeah Silver definitely has more impressive showings than most give him credit for.
 
Tipper17 said:
The Keysword is the biggest argument in the debate and the reason why Trunks arguably wins
Not giving trunks the sword would be dumb
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Not giving him the sword is the equivalent of not allowing Silver access to the Chaos Emeralds. If they didn't give him the sword, they'd get a lot of flack for the episode from all sides, because how is it fair that Silver gets an outside energy source while Trunks doesn't get his external weapon?
 
Derpmaster9000 said:
Not giving him the sword is the equivalent of not allowing Silver access to the Chaos Emeralds. If they didn't give him the sword, they'd get a lot of flack for the episode from all sides, because how is it fair that Silver gets an outside energy source while Trunks doesn't get his external weapon?
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I get the argument of whether Trunks gets full access to it's full potential but not giving him it would be dumber
 
TMaakkonen said:
Man, for a stomp JasonMichael is really popular. It also doesnt seem too extravagant like some other popular fights.
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Honestly it's not even that much of a stomp, if you composite they are relatively comparable in everyway with Jason just slightly edging out in every category which is something Michael COULD overcome, BUT it's Jasons regen, Immortality, reactive Evolution, and just general ******* weird physiology that really keeps Michael from getting the win (not before doing some serious damage though)
 
Jasonsith said:
Is this even a debate? What does Ash Williams do to Guts? Like... While the Kandarian Dagger can "kill" normal humans also aside from being super effective against Deadite like pulverising them by touch, does normal humans touch by the blade and get pulverised?

Another example where close connection lists may mean nothing.
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I mean, Ash has way more than the Kandarian Dagger, and has fought some of the biggest names in horror canonically as well as just major characters in general (Jason, Necronomicon empowered Freddy, Herbert West, Vampirella, Xena, Buba-Ho-Tep, the Marvel Zombies) and has access to the Necronomicon itself and all of it's crazy spells and hax, and has even fought various demon gods, deadites, vampires, werewolves, and basically every other kind of monster you can think of, he's basically a more haxxed version of guts (also technically he has in-universe plot armour but it depends on how you want to scale it)
 
Soma_King said:
Honestly it's not even that much of a stomp, if you composite they are relatively comparable in everyway with Jason just slightly edging out in every category which is something Michael COULD overcome, BUT it's Jasons regen, Immortality, reactive Evolution, and just general ******* weird physiology that really keeps Michael from getting the win (not before doing some serious damage though)
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Can't Jason scale pretty high in terms of stats? He fought his cyborg self and managed to do some damage, and that cyborg survived that space station explosion that no one has calculated yet.

Admittedly an outlier, but Death Battle is a lot more loose with that.
 
Hunterzillas said:
Can't Jason scale pretty high in terms of stats? He fought his cyborg self and managed to do some damage, and that cyborg survived that space station explosion that no one has calculated yet.

Admittedly an outlier, but Death Battle is a lot more loose with that.
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you could also actually scale him to mountain level via fighting Necronomicon Freddy who created a MASSIVE storm casually
But true, Jason's high-end scaling is a lot higher than Michael but I doubt they'd use that high level of stuff and keep it more """"grounded""" for Michael vs Jason by giving him just what he needs to win, plus if Jason had large AP advantage, Michael still has ways of staying in the game if you composite him, via his Curse of Thorn and Empowerment (if they wank it they could even get Michael being on par anyway via the "cannot defeat him with brute force" and "Every time he kills he transcends" quotes)

How I see them scaling them is:
AP/Dura: Jason
Speed: Equal if not Jason has the slightest advantage
Intelligence: Comparable
X factors: Jason handedly

(obviously this is all going off of not giving him Uber-Jason who is basically Horror Doomsday)
 
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