Thanks.
Their Champion Cup keys would scale, yes. Any Champion Cup onward characters should scale (both Semifinals and Finals)
This was already explained to you. Are you just gonna ignore refutes and repeat the same argument?
What refutes? Just because they can do something in game doesn't mean it actually happened, especially when there's no mention of it anywhere else (like Ethan/Lyra/Kris defeating Red despite it never mentioned by anyone in any other game. Or catching all Legendaries in Johto/Kanto aside from Ho-oh and Lugia (especially with Mewtwo as it's still in Cerulean Cave despite the fact Red can go and catch it in the post game))
You beating dialga and palkia or catching it (which would require you to beat it) is literally mentioned in the game. You need to prove that optional events are non canon
Already did.
How does not being mentioned mean its non canon?? Its literally part of the story and dialogue, what more evidence do you need? Does everything need to be stated again somewhere else?
Uh yes? Maybe if someone like Blue would've mention that Red have been defeated by someone else than it could work. Red is consistently stated to be the strongest trainer and a battle legend or whatnot, so him being defeated by someone would be a big deal at least for Blue to say
That means that the events of the BW post game aren't canon because in B2W2 it's revealed they left Unova after battling N
Mewtwo though is still in the same location it was in Gen 1, as well as having the exact same levels and moveset as in Gen 2, so there's nothing to suggest it was caught before
Can you prove there are more than one? Since in any game you can only catch one of each
You can't argue so you resort to this?
Red got defeated in Masters, but not by Ethan. In fact Red destroyed Ethan in their battle, and if we bring Masters, Red is consistently hyped as super powerful that almost no one is comparable to. Only Blue, Cynthia and Leon (and Ash) were said to be strong like Red
Their mother implied in B2W2 she haven't seen them since they left on their journey iirc, and in the post game not only you return home, but the first thing you do is talk to her
You comment things that have no proof. While it's not impossible, we have no proof that Cynthia lost her title before, or that Mewtwo was caught and then released.
One Galarian trio, one Kantonian Trio. But there are no multiple of each of these pairs
You need to chill out.
I think it's fine because much like the Isle of Armor, despite you being able to choose when you do the Crown Tundra, the fact of the matter is that it does happen at some point
Yeah but it literally means you can do it before you even do the first gym, when the people use unevolved Pokémon and such, while at the same time they can fight Dynamax Legendaries (when it was made very clear they only stood a chance against Eternatus with Zacian and Zamazenta)
The Pokemon that are used are rental Pokemon, not the ones you have, so this isn't actually relevant
Wouldn’t it be possible for someone to argue that any gym’s leader’s Pokémon should be stronger and more skilled than some rental Pokemon though?
That's why their Champion Cup selves are 2-B, likely 2-A, but not their initial battles because they're holding back to test the player
Bumping this.
I’m pretty sure most people agreed to have PWT and Battle Tree keys, but nobody would scale to them outside of other PWT/Battle Tree keys.
I may just be misremembering because I haven't been in this thread in forever, but I thought we decided not to use them because the PWT and Battle Tree inherently equalize strength (it's represented as setting all Pokemon to level 50, but it's actually explained in-universe that the Pokemon's strength are equalized)
For Zacian and Zamazenta? I don't think so
What do Zacian and Zamazenta have to do with anything? Please don't bring up something that isn't relevant to what I'm saying
Because you're saying that people that can defeat Dynamax Dialga and Palkia would do nothing against Eternatus and rely on Zacian and Zamazenta to defeat it
No, but when you have no proof, statements are at least something
Eternamax Eternatus has Power Null that makes people unable to hurt it, it's not an AP thing
Stop regurgitating an irrelevant point. You're given rental Pokemon, making this a non-factor
For Dialga and Palkia? If so then why would Victor or Gloria scale to them? These aren't their Pokemon
Leon would scale above rental Pokemon, Raihan is powerful enough to be a rival to him, Piers matched Raihan (albeit he lost), and Milo matched Piers in an exhibition match
That justification for Leon is perfect honestly. The characters you mentioned would have the justification of matching Champion Cup Victor/Gloria, who could match Raihan. In addition, at the end of the postgame, Leon acknowledges Hop as a rival to him.
