Dragon Ball Super: Universes/Timeline Tiering Revision

[Nullflowerblush]

Okay, I'm going to play devil's advocate here.

Are you even allowed to refer to that Chouzenshuu 4 statement about the Room of Spirit and Time being a "Subspace" of Universe 7 if there is not a proper scan or proper translation? The only information we have to go off of is a footnote at the bottom of a list of translations without any source.

 

[Tarang123]

i know that they are not canon to eachother, that is not the point

If they're not canon to each other then why would we assume that information from one should naturally tie into the other

 

[Tarang123]

the basic argument is that since the rosat is not considered part of the universe anymore, we have no reason to assume it was affected by time travel, and so we cannot consider each universe in the main timeline to be a space time, thus making each universe a 3-A structure instead of a low 2-C one

That's a weird argument on its own. The other universes aren't part of universe 7, yet they were affected by time travel. Why would we automatically assume that the ROSAT wasn't, when it's never once stated

 

[Reiner04]

2 mods agree

Planck69​

Theglassman12​

and 1 disagree
DarkDragonMedeus

the basic argument is that since the rosat is not considered part of the universe anymore, we have no reason to assume it was affected by time travel, and so we cannot consider each universe in the main timeline to be a space time, thus making each universe a 3-A structure instead of a low 2-C one

3 mods agree actually @Theglassman12 , @Planck69 , @Maverick_Zero_X

 

[omegabronic]

3 mods agree actually @Theglassman12 , @Planck69 , @Maverick_Zero_X

right, how did i miss that?

even if RoSaT isn’t inside Universe 7 it’s still apart of the timeline meaning a space time can encompass a space time therefore meaning all universes are defaulted to low 2-C with same reasoning and my evidence for this is because the RoSaT is referred to as a subspace

you have yet to show evidence of it being part of the timeline tho

subspace of the living universe, which is contradicted by the series as established in the last thread

If they're not canon to each other then why would we assume that information from one should naturally tie into the other

because both are canon to z, so their changes apply to z, and as such apply to the other since z is canon to both

That's a weird argument on its own. The other universes aren't part of universe 7, yet they were affected by time travel. Why would we automatically assume that the ROSAT wasn't, when it's never once stated

because it is a different space time, it wouldn't be affected by default

 

[Reiner04]

Okay, I'm going to play devil's advocate here.

Are you even allowed to refer to that Chouzenshuu 4 statement about the Room of Spirit and Time being a "Subspace" of Universe 7 if there is not a proper scan or proper translation? The only information we have to go off of is a footnote at the bottom of a list of translations without any source.

Rather Play my waifu role flower chan.

That's a weird argument on its own. The other universes aren't part of universe 7, yet they were affected by time travel. Why would we automatically assume that the ROSAT wasn't, when it's never once stated

If they're not canon to each other then why would we assume that information from one should naturally tie into the other

Not really going over all of this once again when it was all done in few pages of start. Then we tried to say that RoSaT is a part of universe 7, then we discussed canon, non canon. We don't have to go in circle. Staff said If anything you need new evidence or argument in light.

 

[omegabronic]

Okay, I'm going to play devil's advocate here.

Are you even allowed to refer to that Chouzenshuu 4 statement about the Room of Spirit and Time being a "Subspace" of Universe 7 if there is not a proper scan or proper translation? The only information we have to go off of is a footnote at the bottom of a list of translations without any source.

btw null raised a good point

 

[Vietthai96]

Since when @Nullflowerblush become a waifu

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Since when @Nullflowerblush become a waifu

since Null went to the dark side lol

 

[Tarang123]

because both are canon to z, so their changes apply to z, and as such apply to the other since z is canon to both

That wouldn't then travel to Super as, again, the two are entirely different continuities from one another.

 

[Tarang123]

because it is a different space time, it wouldn't be affected by default

We already assumed that the universes were seperate space-times, this isn't an adequate argument. You need actual proof if you want to downgrade the verse, which nobody has shown

 

[omegabronic]

That wouldn't then travel to Super as, again, the two are entirely different continuities from one another.

they being different continuities doesn't affect the point

We already assumed that the universes were seperate space-times, this isn't an adequate argument.

we only assume if there is no proof against it, in this case there is, since they are all affected by time travel and branch together

You need actual proof if you want to downgrade the verse, which nobody has shown

if they separated space time, they wouldn't all be affected by time travel that happened in only one of them

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

We already assumed that the universes were seperate space-times, this isn't an adequate argument. You need actual proof if you want to downgrade the verse, which nobody has shown

I think this can be closed, we refuted all of their points to downgrade the verse, and besides, this is getting tiresome.

 

[Tarang123]

we only assume if there is no proof against it, in this case there is, since they are all affected by time travel and branch together

That doesn't even make sense. Again, the argument right now is that the ROSAT is a seperate space-time from the universe, so there's no reason to assume that it was affected by time travel, when this could easily be directed towards all the other universes. The other universes were assumed, up until now, to be seperate space-times, yet were all likely affected by acts of time travel. I see literally no reason why the ROSAT would be any different

 

[Reiner04]

We already assumed that the universes were seperate space-times, this isn't an adequate argument. You need actual proof if you want to downgrade the verse, which nobody has shown

Which they're because of being affected all together, temporal phenomenon in one universe affecting other, that's more than enough.

 

[Reiner04]

That doesn't even make sense. Again, the argument right now is that the ROSAT is a seperate space-time from the universe, so there's no reason to assume that it was affected by time travel, when this could easily be directed towards all the other universes. The other universes were assumed, up until now, to be seperate space-times, yet were all likely affected by acts of time travel. I see literally no reason why the ROSAT would be any different

Because RoSaT is different, it had reasons of being part of the universe which has been nuked in the latest chapter when all of the cosmology has been established, it's time to nuke 12 footballs into one.

Since when @Nullflowerblush become a waifu

The very moment I set my eyes on her.

 

[Reiner04]

That wouldn't then travel to Super as, again, the two are entirely different continuities from one another.

Take it up to the wiki, it had them composite and so they're.

 

[Tarang123]

I think this can be closed, we refuted all of their points to downgrade the verse, and besides, this is getting tiresome.

At this point it's probably going to get accepted cause 3 mods have already agreed with it.

 

[Tarang123]

Because RoSaT is different, it had reasons of being part of the universe which has been nuked in the latest chapter when all of the cosmology has been established, it's time to nuke 12 footballs into one.

That doesn't really do anything on its own, though. Again, not being part of the universe and being a seperate space-time is exactly how we viewed the other 11 universes in the multiverse, which were all affected by time travel. The ROSAT has literally zero reasons to behave any differently unless we have actual scans implying this

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

At this point it's probably going to get accepted cause 3 mods have already agreed with it.

actually it was just one, the others didn't even debate it, it's only valid with good basis for the reason to agree.

 

[Reiner04]

That doesn't really do anything on its own, though. Again, not being part of the universe and being a seperate space-time is exactly how we viewed the other 11 universes in the multiverse, which were all affected by time travel. The ROSAT has literally zero reasons to behave any differently unless we have actual scans implying this

The very reason we had to view other universes as separate spacetime was because we viewed timeline in dragonball as explicitly different from commonly functioning timeline, that said we considered RoSaT to be the part of the universe which proved that timeline can contain more than one universe but now, we don't have any reason for it. It's doomed.

 

[Vietthai96]

The very reason we had to view other universes as separate spacetime was because we viewed timeline in dragonball as explicitly different from commonly functioning timeline

I think i already addressed this shit, hypertimeline is a thing, which a large timeline contain multiple space-times inside

 

[Reiner04]

I think i already addressed this shit, hypertimeline is a thing, which a large timeline contain multiple space-times inside

Hyper Timeline is not really any shit, it was brought up by ultima as 5D cosmology but later Donttalkdt reduced that shit to 4D once again, hyper Timeline only works as an explanation part for the timeline that evidently has more than one spacetime, which dragonball had, not anymore tho. Hyper Timeline is not a actual thing, neither has anything to do with dragonball.

 

[omegabronic]

I think this can be closed, we refuted all of their points to downgrade the verse, and besides, this is getting tiresome.

you are not the one to decide that, besides 3 staff agreed

actually it was just one, the others didn't even debate it, it's only valid with good basis for the reason to agree.

no, they all agreed for the reasons said in the thread, you don't get to decide what is a good basis and what isn't

That doesn't even make sense. Again, the argument right now is that the ROSAT is a seperate space-time from the universe, so there's no reason to assume that it was affected by time travel, when this could easily be directed towards all the other universes.

it couldn't because they were affected

The other universes were assumed, up until now, to be seperate space-times, yet were all likely affected by acts of time travel. I see literally no reason why the ROSAT would be any different

they were only assumed because of the rosat being part of the universe and we assuming that it was affected alongside all of it, but now we don't have any reason to assume that it was, so now we have no reason to assume that other space times are affected by it in db

 

[omegabronic]

I think i already addressed this shit, hypertimeline is a thing, which a large timeline contain multiple space-times inside

you see, you would need to prove that they are space times to use this argument

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

you are not the one to decide that, besides 3 staff agreed


no, they all agreed for the reasons said in the thread, you don't get to decide what is a good basis and what isn't


it couldn't because they were affected

they were only assumed because of the rosat being part of the universe and we assuming that it was affected alongside all of it, but now we don't have any reason to assume that it was, so now we have no reason to assume that other space times are affected by it in db

you're in a hurry to downgrade DB, huh?

 

[omegabronic]

you're in a hurry to downgrade DB, huh?

no i am not

 

[Vietthai96]

Hyper Timeline is not really any shit, it was brought up by ultima as 5D cosmology but later Donttalkdt reduced that shit to 4D once again, hyper Timeline only works as an explanation part for the timeline that evidently has more than one spacetime, which dragonball had, not anymore tho. Hyper Timeline is not a actual thing, neither has anything to do with dragonball.

Nah, not really, if you have enough evidences hypertimeline can be 5D or even higher, however 5D is not the point of this thread
And hypertimeline is not an actual thing as in??, real life stuff??

Anyway each time i comment @omegabronic & @Reiner gang up on me, feel like i'm a boss in a video game bruhh

 

[Tarang123]

it couldn't because they were affected

Yes it could lol. This kind of backward logic is ridiculous.

they were only assumed because of the rosat being part of the universe and we assuming that it was affected alongside all of it, but now we don't have any reason to assume that it was, so now we have no reason to assume that other space times are affected by it in db

It doesn't matter why it was assumed, just that it was.

 

[Reiner04]

It doesn't matter why it was assumed, just that it was.

I agree.

 

[omegabronic]

Anyway each time i comment @omegabronic & @Reiner gang up on me, feel like i'm a boss in a video game bruhh

should be thankful that i didn't transformed yet

Yes it could lol. This kind of backward logic is ridiculous.

a different space time would not be affected by changes in time of another space time unless proven, and that said proof is gone as of the last thread, care to explain how it is "backward logic"

It doesn't matter why it was assumed, just that it was.

what do you mean?

 

[Reiner04]

Nah, not really, if you have enough evidences hypertimeline can be 5D or even higher, however 5D is not the point of this thread
And hypertimeline is not an actual thing as in??, real life stuff??

Hyper Timeline was brought up as 5D cosmology for DB, as an perpendicular axis that works for separate spacetime's but @DontTalkDT provided an explanation that turns them into normal one. And yeah, it's not a actual thing, neither in irl nor in fiction. It's just there are verses capable of containing more than one spacetime and there are others that don't, they need explicit proof for the former as it's extraordinary on its own.

 

[Tarang123]

a different space time would not be affected by changes in time of another space time unless proven, and that said proof is gone as of the last thread, care to explain how it is "backward logic"

Except for the fact that the universes in DBS were viewed as Low 2C individually yet were affected, so this isn't even an adequate argument. Your argument is this:

universes are considered separate space-times and are affected by timeline-level time travel
ROSAT isn't considered part of U7 and is a seperate space-time, so it's unaffected by time travel

I shouldn't have to explain why this is stupid.

what do you mean?

You said the universes were assumed to being separate space-times cause of ROSAT logic. I'm saying that doesn't matter, just that they were considered separate space-times yet were all affected by time travel on the timeline. So any argument regarding the ROSAT on this front is just nonexistent.

 

[Xxiaa]

2 mods agree

Planck69​

Theglassman12​

and 1 disagree
DarkDragonMedeus

the basic argument is that since the rosat is not considered part of the universe anymore, we have no reason to assume it was affected by time travel, and so we cannot consider each universe in the main timeline to be a space time, thus making each universe a 3-A structure instead of a low 2-C one

Since 2-3 staff agreed, and that’s usually the magic number is that enough to close the thread and apply changes? Or is even more staff needed for a thread like this

 

[Reiner04]

Anyway each time i comment @omegabronic & @Reiner gang up on me, feel like i'm a boss in a video game bruhh

No, no one touching you but me.

Since 2-3 staff agreed, and that’s usually the magic number is that enough to close the thread and apply changes ?

Yeah.

Except for the fact that the universes in DBS were viewed as Low 2C individually yet were affected, so this isn't even an adequate argument. Your argument is this:


I shouldn't have to explain why this is stupid.


You said the universes were assumed to being separate space-times cause of ROSAT logic. I'm saying that doesn't matter, just that they were considered separate space-times yet were all affected by time travel on the timeline. So any argument regarding the ROSAT on this front is just nonexistent.

I agree once again tbh.

 

[Xxiaa]

Okay, I think someone should tag staff. If all arguments have been addressed and more staff agree than disagree I don’t see why not .

 

[omegabronic]

Except for the fact that the universes in DBS were viewed as Low 2C individually yet were affected, so this isn't even an adequate argument.

yes it is, because the reason for us to assume that they were low 2-C is not valid anymore as of the last thread

Your argument is this:


I shouldn't have to explain why this is stupid.

the rosat being a space time affected was the reason we assumed that they were space times in the first place, or else they wouldn't be assumed at all in the first place, without that the is no reason to assume that they are space times

You said the universes were assumed to being separate space-times cause of ROSAT logic. I'm saying that doesn't matter, just that they were considered separate space-times yet were all affected by time travel on the timeline. So any argument regarding the ROSAT on this front is just nonexistent.

no? without the rosat there is now no reason to assume that space times can be affected by time travel in db, and with they being affected by time travel goes against what alternate space time are, give any reason to assume why they would be space times there is none at the moment

Okay, I think someone should tag staff. If all arguments have been addressed and more staff agree than disagree I don’t see why not .

probably should, going to contact more now

 

[Vietthai96]

This going to last forever, so just summarise the argument from both side and have someone evaluates them

 

[omegabronic]

okay, here are the summary of the downgrade side: one considered the universes in the 12 universes of dragon ball to be separated space time despite being affected by time travel because of the rosat, a separated space time, being part of the universe and then branching along with it, but as of this thread https://vsbattles.com/threads/dragon-ball-quick-revision.148343/ we don't accepted the rosat as part of the universe anymore, and as such have no reason to believe that alternate space times can be affected by time travel anymore, making all 12 universes just 3-A structure that share the same time instead of low 2-C space times

if anyone wants to make a summary of the side that disagrees with the downgrade, be free to do it

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Okay, I'm going to play devil's advocate here.

Are you even allowed to refer to that Chouzenshuu 4 statement about the Room of Spirit and Time being a "Subspace" of Universe 7 if there is not a proper scan or proper translation? The only information we have to go off of is a footnote at the bottom of a list of translations without any source.

The translation translates to subspace but if you don’t think it does you can get it properly translated

right, how did i miss that?


you have yet to show evidence of it being part of the timeline tho


subspace of the living universe, which is contradicted by the series as established in the last thread


because both are canon to z, so their changes apply to z, and as such apply to the other since z is canon to both


because it is a different space time, it wouldn't be affected by default

how is it contradicted I’m not saying it’s a subspace of Universe 7 I’m saying it’s a sub space that exists outside the universe but within the timeline and that’s not contradicted at all

Rather Play my waifu role flower chan.



Not really going over all of this once again when it was all done in few pages of start. Then we tried to say that RoSaT is a part of universe 7, then we discussed canon, non canon. We don't have to go in circle. Staff said If anything you need new evidence or argument in light.

I’m not going in a circle I’m not claiming it’s in Universe 7 but I’m claiming it’s within the timeline since it’s stated to be a subspace