The Elephant Guy Fights A Guy In A Mask

[DimeUhDozen]

You are not getting that Mask just cannot pick the best option he can. He is just gonna use any of his hax while Necati either uses his RW to win against Mask or just try his other hax. Saying mask wont hit Necati even once is just a insane scretch

Mask has won fights before without even having to hit anyone as seen in the examples used. It's not a stretch at all.

Necati has his glasses which means social influencing wont work.

...How?

Thats not enough to prove its precognition. Do we even know if that happened??

Limited Precog, I guess? The implication is that it did.

Necati literally opened his own youtube channel and destroyed the 4th wall

Why... is this not on his profile then?

Anyways this 4th wall part is kinda derailing I still don't see how Mask wins when Necati has so many other wincons.

Mask hits Necati? Necati wins
Mask kills Necati? Necati wins
Mask doesn't kill or use his mind hax before Necati utters some words? Necati wins
Mask somehow knows what he is supposed to do and uses his mind hax and wins

But it's been proven that it's very much IC for Mask to use his mindhax. Sure, you could make the argument that Mask wouldn't know to use his mindhax, but how would Necati know to use his own wincon when the glasses can only see an hour into the future without the context of what happened to him and can't specifically give him the answers he wants. It's only at random. In the very same episode, the glasses don't inform him of the danger of them falling off and breaking. Plus, all Necati is going to see is him having a good time and dancing with The Mask, which wouldn't be something he'd object to, and only stabilizes his wincon.

 

[ShionAH]

Mask has won fights before without even having to hit anyone as seen in the examples used. It's not a stretch at all

Its a strecth that he will do it for 24 hrs for some unknown reason

...How?

How can you trick someone if they know they are being tricked??

Limited Precog, I guess? The implication is that it did.

Very limited or its not even a precog

Why... is this not on his profile then?

I didnt think it mattered much…should probably add it

But it's been proven that it's very much IC for Mask to use his mindhax. Sure, you could make the argument that Mask wouldn't know to use his mindhax, but how would Necati know to use his own wincon when the glasses can only see an hour into the future without the context of what happened to him and can't specifically give him the answers he wants.
It's only at random.

thats fair but its still IC for Necati to use it to not take damage or save his life and if he sees this creepy mask man its pretty likely for him to use it plus if Mask uses anything that might scare him Necati will use it too

In the very same episode, the glasses don't inform him of the danger of them falling off and breaking.

It shows 1 hour into the future not whats gonna happen in the next second.

Plus, all Necati is going to see is him having a good time and dancing with The Mask, which wouldn't be something he'd object to, and only stabilizes his wincon.

He can also see Mask using his other more dangerous hax or he can see the Mask making him cry which are enough to make him want to change this future. I am voting Necati his wincons are more reliable and Masks wincon heavily depends on what he will use first when theres nothing IC for him (atleast nothing written on the profile)

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Its a strecth that he will do it for 24 hrs for some unknown reason

The hax makes it so that Necati just won't want to fight. If he doesn't want to fight and only dance with him, the fight ends. Simple as that.

How can you trick someone if they know they are being tricked??

Mentioned in my reply that the glasses do not give him context on the situation.

He can also see Mask using his other more dangerous hax or he can see the Mask making gim cry which are enough to make him want to change this future.

As you said before...

It shows 1 hour into the future not whats gonna happen in the next second.

It wouldn't show that The Mask himself made him cry. It would just show him crying. Not who caused it with context. He wouldn't know what to do to stop it since he thought possible outcomes the glasses gave him just amounted to a decision of him going left or right, not making a reality warp to fix things. If you're the one saying it'd be unreasonable for Mask to use hax he frequently uses, how unreasonable is it for him to know something like that with the extremely limited evidence he has?

I am voting Necati his wincons are more reliable and Masks wincon heavily depends on what he will use first when theres nothing IC for him (atleast nothing written on the profile)

I literally just said how?

 

[ShionAH]

The hax makes it so that Necati just won't want to fight. If he doesn't want to fight and only dance with him, the fight ends. Simple as that.

Can I see a scan where it shows its permanent?

Mentioned in my reply that the glasses do not give him context on the situation.

They gave him pretty good context in the first view of mirket also with Kürşat also with keçi necmi

As you said before...

It wouldn't show that The Mask himself made him cry. It would just show him crying. Not who caused it with context. He wouldn't know what to do to stop it since he thought possible outcomes the glasses gave him just amounted to a decision of him going left or right, not making a reality warp to fix things. If you're the one saying it'd be unreasonable for Mask to use hax he frequently uses, how unreasonable is it for him to know something like that with the extremely limited evidence he has?

Hmm I see where you are coming at but the problem here is you are assuming the Mask is gonna use his best hax that gives him the win but when I do the same you are saying he wouldnt know he has to do it. Mask wont have any idea he shouldnt touch necati

I literally just said how?

He has like a hundred hax and for some reason you are saying he uses Mind hax the most. Why isnt that on his profile as his standart move?

 

[ShionAH]

Anyways I gotta sleep I will respond later. I like this matchup very cool @MaidRips

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Can I see a scan where it shows its permanent?

I can only think of the Future Mask example where he makes a bunch of evil robots dance and they stay dancing with him and some freedom fighters in a conga line for the foreseeable future, and they act friendly to him all night.

They gave him pretty good context in the first view of mirket also with Kürşat also with keçi necmi

It only shows him a few seconds of a mostly still picture and lacks the context of what happened to him before.

Hmm I see where you are coming at but the problem here is you are assuming the Mask is gonna use his best hax that gives him the win but when I do the same you are saying he wouldnt know he has to do it. Mask wont have any idea he shouldnt touch necati

I'm not saying that, but I've proved that Mask uses this hax consistently and isn't just a one-time thing or random, which is what most of Necati's wincons are.

He has like a hundred hax and for some reason you are saying he uses Mind hax the most. Why isnt that on his profile as his standart move?

I dunno, lots of profiles don't have standard moves at the start. Necati himself has "none notable" on his profile.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Fil meant elephant in Arabic lol.

 

[ShionAH]

I dunno, lots of profiles don't have standard moves at the start. Necati himself has "none notable" on his profile.

I can swear I had some stuff when I made the sandbox-

It only shows him a few seconds of a mostly still picture and lacks the context of what happened to him before.

Look at 2:15 in that video.

I'm not saying that, but I've proved that Mask uses this hax consistently and isn't just a one-time thing or random, which is what most of Necati's wincons are.

Necatis RW is not onetime thing and I am not even gonna talk about how if he dies its just an automatic win for him as Mask is basically handicapped.

Fil meant elephant in Arabic lol.

Fil means elephant in turkish too…Necati is a elephant

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Its a turkish character and Fil means elephant in turkish too

Turkish and Arabic are similar since you guys left the usage of Arabic since Kemal lol.

 

[ShionAH]

Turkish and Arabic are similar since you guys left the usage of Arabic since Kemal lol.

True true Mustafa Kemal Paşa changed it

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Look at 2:15 in that video.

It still only gives him a timeframe of a few seconds, not the full context of what happened before. In the episode itself, he doesn't know what caused him to fall so he tries everything for a good while not to fall without fully understanding the cause. He isn't going to immediately know nor be able to know if the mindhax comes in.

Necatis RW is not onetime thing and I am not even gonna talk about how if he dies its just an automatic win for him as Mask is basically handicapped.

Mask could still mindhax him since he's still a thought and capable of being changed since mindhax is essentially thoughts being altered.

 

[ShionAH]

Mask could still mindhax him since he's still a thought and capable of being changed since mindhax is essentially thoughts being altered.

He cannot effect nor see Necati since he is abstract he needs to have extremely potent mind hax to effect Necati (he doesnt). Voting Necati and going to sleep

 

[ShionAH]

Turkish and Arabic are similar since you guys left the usage of Arabic since Kemal lol.

Who u voting for my brother

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Necati is stupid, voting for incon lol.

 

[ShionAH]

Necati is stupid, voting for incon lol.

Not THAT stupid. But yeah thats fair LMAO

 

[DimeUhDozen]

He cannot effect nor see Necati since he is abstract he needs to have extremely potent mind hax to effect Necati (he doesnt). Voting Necati and going to sleep

You didn't respond to my other argument though.

 

[ShionAH]

It still only gives him a timeframe of a few seconds, not the full context of what happened before. In the episode itself, he doesn't know what caused him to fall so he tries everything for a good while not to fall without fully understanding the cause. He isn't going to immediately know nor be able to know if the mindhax comes in.

Its inconsistent but he knew the context atleast 3 times (Mirket,Kürşad,Necmi) and didnt know it 1 time (Fall). Still voting Necati

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Its inconsistent but he knew the context atleast 3 times (Mirket,Kürşad,Necmi) and didnt know it 1 time (Fall). Still voting Necati

Can you show me how? There's not any evidence of this being used in a way that would help Necati in this instance.

 

[ShionAH]

Can you show me how? There's not any evidence of this being used in a way that would help Necati in this instance.

He knew Mirket tripped on the skateboard and fell He knew a whale was gonna attack Kürşad He also knew that the pot was gonna fall on Necmi. In this case he will know that he started to cry because of the mask, died because of the mask etc. Necati FRA

 

[DimeUhDozen]

His Subjective Reality forces people to become thoughts and unless Mask has shown ability to make himself real with his own SR its a wincon

He's reached in and out of thoughts before. I don't see anything stopping him from doing the same.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

He knew Mirket tripped on the skateboard and fell He knew a whale was gonna attack Kürşad He also knew that the pot was gonna fall on Necmi. In this case he will know that he started to cry because of the mask, died because of the mask etc. Necati FRA

That only takes place in a few seconds. It won't tell him what happened 60 minutes before that unless Mask waits an hour to attack him.

 

[ShionAH]

He's reached in and out of thoughts before. I don't see anything stopping him from doing the same.

Thats his own thought. Thats subjective reality and thats it. He cannot even see Necati as Necati doesnt actually exist in this form. Please let me sleep and count my vote

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Thats his own thought. Thats subjective reality and thats it. He cannot even see Necati as Necati doesnt actually exist in this form. Please let me sleep and count my vote

You keep avoiding the argument that you yourself said would affect his ability to use one of his biggest wincons and would supposedly allow him to know what to do to win over Mask. We're not done unless you can prove that his precognition would allow him to pull a win over the obvious mindhax condition he has that has been used over five times.

Necati can also just think and win with his SR now you may argue its not IC but if Necati sees in 1 hour he is gonna be a mind haxed puppet for Mask he will use it.

 

[ShionAH]

You keep avoiding the argument that you yourself said would affect his ability to use one of his biggest wincons and would supposedly allow him to know what to do to win over Mask. We're not done unless you can prove that his precognition would allow him to pull a win over the obvious mindhax condition he has that has been used over five times.

LET ME SLEEP. I WILL RESPOND TOMORROW

 

[DimeUhDozen]

LET ME SLEEP. I WILL RESPOND TOMORROW

I know, but it's just too early to vote when the discussion isn't finished.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

tbh i’m more convinced by shion’s arguments. necati fra

 

[Barbar01]

tbh i’m more convinced by shion’s arguments. necati fra

Me too
Necati FRA

 

[ShionAH]

Why would Mask even use his best hax he can use here and use it for 24 hrs non stop which he has never shown to do for some odd reason? What can he do about his RE too? It is very IC for necati to just end the fight with it since he is kind of a coward in some cases

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Why would Mask even use his best hax he can use here and use it for 24 hrs non stop which he has never shown to do for some odd reason? What can he do about his RE too? It is very IC for necati to just end the fight with it since he is kind of a coward in some cases

He doesn't need to use it for 24 hours. He doesn't need to maintain the mindhax because all he needs to do is change his mind from fighting him to dancing with him, or use empathic manipulation/fear manipulation to make him flee the fight, then he leaves. And it's over. Simple as that. I'm really tired of explaining that mindhax is a likely option for Mask to open with, only for my argument to get ignored over and over again, but whatever. Let's assume he doesn't use mindhax. Let's assume he drags him into his mind like he does here. He's going to have to drag him there, right? He's gonna have to telekinetically pull. But he only has Class K lifting strength while Mask has Class M. So even if he wanted to pull him there, he couldn't. Alright, let's assume he does this Abstract Existence thingy you're so adamant about. He appears in people's thought bubbles. And in nowhere in these scans does it say explicitly that he can't be affected. That is a hard wank and I'm surprised it made it to the profile at all. Now, let's assume that as a thought, he can't be affected. He appears in his thoughts, and you assume he can't be affected by Mask in any way, right? Wrong. Because Mask is shown to not only interact with thoughts in his thought bubble just like Necati's in this scan, but drag them into the real world where they become physical. And as for the reality warping, the fight needs to take place in the control room, and it doesn't happen as quickly as Mask's instant Toon Force attacks. He also requires the Wishing Stone and to make a wish with his voice to activate the wish of which he gets only three.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Also it's worth noting that Necati does not know how anything in the control room works. Nearly of his reality warping in this episode was by accident.

 

[ShionAH]

He doesn't need to use it for 24 hours. He doesn't need to maintain the mindhax because all he needs to do is change his mind from fighting him to dancing with him, or use empathic manipulation/fear manipulation to make him flee the fight, then he leaves. And it's over. Simple as that. I'm really tired of explaining that mindhax is a likely option for Mask to open with, only for my argument to get ignored over and over again, but whatever. Let's assume he doesn't use mindhax. Let's assume he drags him into his mind like he does here. He's going to have to drag him there, right? He's gonna have to telekinetically pull. But he only has Class K lifting strength while Mask has Class M. So even if he wanted to pull him there, he couldn't. Alright, let's assume he does this Abstract Existence thingy you're so adamant about. He appears in people's thought bubbles. And in nowhere in these scans does it say explicitly that he can't be affected. That is a hard wank and I'm surprised it made it to the profile at all. Now, let's assume that as a thought, he can't be affected. He appears in his thoughts, and you assume he can't be affected by Mask in any way, right? Wrong. Because Mask is shown to not only interact with thoughts in his thought bubble just like Necati's in this scan, but drag them into the real world where they become physical. And as for the reality warping, the fight needs to take place in the control room, and it doesn't happen as quickly as Mask's instant Toon Force attacks. He also requires the Wishing Stone and to make a wish with his voice to activate the wish of which he gets only three.

This is all wrong and a complete wank to Mask and a downplay to Necati. Will explain it later when I get home. Necati is intagible its shown in the scans. Watch them again

 

[Robo432343]

This is all wrong and a complete wank to Mask and a downplay to Necati. Will explain it later when I get home. Necati is intagible its shown in the scans. Watch them again

this comment wasn't even necessary

 

[DimeUhDozen]

This is all wrong and a complete wank to Mask and a downplay to Necati. Will explain it later when I get home. Necati is intagible its shown in the scans. Watch them again

Even if he was intangible, Mask can interact with thoughts just fine and make them tangible by bringing them into reality, thus negating his safety.

 

[ShionAH]

Even if he was intangible, Mask can interact with thoughts just fine and make them tangible by bringing them into reality, thus negating his safety.

Mask has only shown bringing his own thoughts to reality. By bringing them into reality he makes them non intagible Necati is not gonna be HIS thought he is gonna BE a thought

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Mask has only shown bringing his own thoughts to reality. By bringing them into reality he makes them non intagible Necati is not gonna be HIS thought he is gonna BE a thought

Why does that matter if he can still physically interact with thoughts? It shouldn't matter whether or not he's his own thought.

 

[ShionAH]

Why does that matter if he can still physically interact with thoughts? It shouldn't matter whether or not he's his own thought.

Subjective Reality means he can make his thoughts real. He doesnt interact with thoughts he makes them real and then interacts with them. Plus in that scene isnt that a dream of the Mask? How is that accepted as an actual ability

 

[ShionAH]

That scene is very stupid- Is he dreaming that? He lost the clothes and the drinks right after so I think his subjective reality is a wank-

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Subjective Reality means he can make his thoughts real. He doesnt interact with thoughts he makes them real and then interacts with them. Plus in that scene isnt that a dream of the Mask? How is that accepted as an actual ability

it isn't. In the episode, All Hail The Mask, this happens during the events of the episode, where he gets taken away to an island by a bunch of people who think he's a god. He loses the clothes because that's just how his powers work. He can lose and gain any outfit he wants on a whim. And as for the drink he just throws it away. And as for the SR thing, I would agree if he was just manifesting them into reality with his mind, but he's not. He's physically interacting and dragging the thoughts into reality.

 

[Robo432343]

That scene is very stupid- Is he dreaming that? He lost the clothes and the drinks right after so I think his subjective reality is a wank-

bro why do you keep calling things wank? just address the problems with it but dont just say random shit like wank

 

[ShionAH]

bro why do you keep calling things wank? just address the problems with it but dont just say random shit like wank

So when you guys say my points are wank its okay? But when I do it I am wrong?