Dominator of the Universe fights diamond boi (Lord Boros vs Diamondhead)

[Marvel_Champion_07]

LORD BOROS vs DIAMONDHEAD​

• Released Boros and Diamondhead are used
• Speed is equalised
• Fight takes place in the Boros' spaceship
• Starting Distance: 10 meters

Lord Boros: 2 (@ZillertheBucko, @EnderLord8)

Diamondhead: 3 (@DemonicDude, @SlendVeny, @Oliver_de_jesus)

Inconclusive: 0

 

[Kachon123]

Following

 

[EnderLord8]

Superficially, Boros has a huge disadvantage in AP, but has a huge advantage in lifting strenght and speed...

 

[Baken384]

Diamondhead is 3.1x stronger but Boros should be able to hang in there with his scaling chain.
Since Speed is not Equal then Boros should be faster.
Wonder if Boros' Kamehameha can help beat up Diamondhead but he resists fire.

 

[Recon1511]

following, you should notify that guy who makes Diamondhead matches

 

[DemonicDude]

This thread should be closed.
Diamondhead already defeated him.

Just because now they are in a different tier that doesn't really change anything.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Yeah i remember it

 

[Recon1511]

This thread should be closed.
Diamondhead already defeated him.

Just because now they are in a different tier that doesn't really change anything.

I mean this is his Released Form that has energy blasts and stuff

 

[DemonicDude]

I mean this is his Released Form that has energy blasts and stuff

Energy, Fire, Heat, Lasers, Lighting you name it all gets absorbed AMPLIFIED then shot back by Diamondhead. (Higher AP via Absorption)

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

This thread should be closed.
Diamondhead already defeated him.

Just because now they are in a different tier that doesn't really change anything.

I'm using Released Boros and base Diamondhead, not Armoured Boros and Omni-Kix Diamondhead

 

[Recon1511]

Energy, Fire, Heat, Lasers, Lighting you name it all gets absorbed AMPLIFIED then shot back by Diamondhead. (Higher AP via Absorption)

BFR?

 

[DemonicDude]

I'm using Released Boros and base Diamondhead, not Armoured Boros and Omni-Kix Diamondhead

Fair enough I'll make this one quick then.
Post AP of this version of Boros.

 

[DemonicDude]

BFR?

How does his BFR work scan, Also does he use it at the start of the battle ?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I mean this is his Released Form that has energy blasts and stuff

The explosions won't be a problem, Diamond will just absorb it and throw it back.

 

[Recon1511]

How does his BFR work scan, Also does he use it at the start of the battle ?

He kicks the enemy to space, that's it.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Fair enough I'll make this one quick then.
Post AP of this version of Boros.

Released Boros scales above Tatsumaki, who easily curbstomped Psykorochi while wounded, who believed she could defeat Saitama even after he casually one-shot 5.68 Exaton Orochi and overpowered Gaia Cannon

 

[DemonicDude]

Now wait and let me build my argument.

 

[DemonicDude]

Comparison:
Attack Potency:

• Diamondhead: 20.58 Exatons
• Boros: Upscales from 5.68 Exatons
• Diamondhead holds 3.62x advantage

Lifting Strength:

• Diamondhead: Class G
• Boros: Class G
• Both has similar LS

To put it simple Crystal alien shoots crystals make anything of crystals he imagines, Got endless supply of it on his arsenal.
Starting move:

Diamondhead leads with throwing crystal projectiles which he can shoot from kilometers away.


After which he uses his fighting style which is to keep as much distance as possible from the enemy by making entire paths of crystals to ride of them and surfing away into the sky and shooting Crystal projectiles from the air, As he can shoot them from any part of his bodies and making crystal shields, weapons, tools of his desire to redirect and deflect any incoming attacks on him.
He is a ranged acrobatic attacker who will go straight into the sky and shoot attacks at Boros from dozens of Kilometers away while constantly surfing in air & riding on his crystal paths mainting his distance which is his attacking style.



Killing moves:
Can pierce through or using his Class G lifting strength can use many moves mentioned on his profile such as
Diamondhead can restrict his enemies by Crystallizing them using his
Crystal imprisonment
All he need to do is point at the direction as you can see here.


Experience and Intelligence:

• Warlord of the Galaxy Vilgax who has been a warlord conquering multiple planets and has 3000 years of expierence as you can see failed to break of his crystals.
• He defeated Warlord of the Galaxy Vilgax
• Diamondhead defeated 10,000 year old magican Hex while entire battle took place in the sky as you can see he is agile and acrobatic
• Also Diamondhead kept up with Agent Six who is an agent of Providence Organization and given the title of "Sixth deadliest man on Earth"

For reference on how good Vilgax is

Vilgax himself designed the Omntrix device that transform you into millions of aliens (Super Geniuse intelligence)
Conqueror of 10 planets, Basically top 5 people on Earth like Agent Six can't defeat Ben along with the villain High Override the destroyer and conqueror of planets who leads his army to conquer planets, lead to destruction of his own species planet everyone on Fulmas planet are soldiers with natural warrior instinct as they are constantly battling with other planets & conquering them, yet was defeated by Ben and

Diamondhead has all the resistances mentioned on Reboot Ben's profile

While he is not a marital art god or anything but he DID INDEED kept up with Agent Six and Stalemated him who is "Top 6 most deadliest swordsmen on Earth"

That mean he is indeed capable of hanging in there until he can execute his CRYSTAL IMPRISONMENT finisher

Any solar energy attack simply gets deflected literally touching Diamondhead skin only thing throwing Energy attacks at him will do is give Diamondhead power boosts he'll absorb and shoot it back without any hesitation.

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If Boros wants to 1 vs 1 Hand to hand combat he would eventually would lose that's because:
Arguments 1

He kicks the enemy to space, that's it.

He neds to get closer to do this, His main Energy attacks are out of the window in his battle because they would literally give DH absorption boosts. The moment he get's closer using all the strength to bust giganstic walls and layers of kilometer wide Crystals DH simply needs to point and him and win via Crystal Imprisonment.

Heat & Fire Resistance:

• Diamondhead absorbs energy, lasers and fire and fire's them back at enemies giving him a nice boost, He has resistance to Fire & Heat (He can be empowered by fire generated by enemies or around him and use them for advantage) and uses it to absorb a fully grown adult Heatblast powers who held nothing back against the villain Xerge and wasn't even bothered by his heat.
  
  Heatblast lives called his home world which is a star called Pyros.
  
  
  HB’s heat should be comparable to the star he lives on. Which would be around 6000 Kelvin of an average Star.
  This is just the surface temperature of a Star… which is why he is not high 6-A. A regular pyronites’ body (living on Pyros) temperature should be comparable to the surface temperature of a Star by virtue of how heat works in a non-isolated system.

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Arguments 2
My argument is Ben is going to FORCE his way to execute CRYSTAL IMPRISONMENT, Ben is a quick thinker in Reboot and distracing Boros around with his classic range game only for Boros to get pissed off and decides to kick DH but DH will construct like Kilometer wide Crystals to block eventually Boros would get closer but be defeated by Crystal Imprisonment.

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Arguments 3

Released Boros scales above Tatsumaki, who easily curbstomped Psykorochi while wounded, who believed she could defeat Saitama even after he casually one-shot 5.68 Exaton Orochi and overpowered Gaia Cannon

Even the weakest aliens Low tiers: XLR8, Heatblast, Wildvine, etc. scale to are 6.86 Exatons. Diamondhead is a Mid tier who can defeat individual members of Weatherheads.
Individual Weatherheads are considered low tiers due to being easily defeated by mid tiers such as Cannonbolt, DH can go toe to toe againt Mid to Top tiers of the verse including Vilgax.
Also,
Ben has SUPERNATURAL WILLPOWER and every single ability listed on profile of Ben Tennyson

Feats:

• Stayed awake for 24 hours. To him justice never sleeps, and he saved the day numerous times, dubbing this as Ben 24.
• Defeated Vilgax and the Weatherheads at the same time.
• Defeated Alien V.
• Ben was not hypnotized from Zombobo's hypno machine.
• Broke free from the illusion world of Zombozo by concentrating enough.
• Defeated High Override and overcame his mind control (Who was amplified by the entire Fulmini army)

I'm voting for Diamondhead because him having Supernatural Willpower would allow him to force his way forward and execute CRYSTAL IMPRISONMENT.

 

[SlendVeny]

Diamondhead FRA

 

[Ciruno_Fortes_(COB)]

Diamond fra

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

fra

 

[Spectral69420]

Crystalfist FRA

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Comparison:
Attack Potency:

• Diamondhead: 20.58 Exatons
• Boros: Upscales from 5.68 Exatons
• Diamondhead holds 3.62x advantage

Lifting Strength:

• Diamondhead: Class G
• Boros: Class G
• Both has similar LS

To put it simple Crystal alien shoots crystals make anything of crystals he imagines, Got endless supply of it on his arsenal.
Starting move:

Diamondhead leads with throwing crystal projectiles which he can shoot from kilometers away.


After which he uses his fighting style which is to keep as much distance as possible from the enemy by making entire paths of crystals to ride of them and surfing away into the sky and shooting Crystal projectiles from the air, As he can shoot them from any part of his bodies and making crystal shields, weapons, tools of his desire to redirect and deflect any incoming attacks on him.
He is a ranged acrobatic attacker who will go straight into the sky and shoot attacks at Boros from dozens of Kilometers away while constantly surfing in air & riding on his crystal paths mainting his distance which is his attacking style.



Killing moves:
Can pierce through or using his Class G lifting strength can use many moves mentioned on his profile such as
Diamondhead can restrict his enemies by Crystallizing them using his
Crystal imprisonment
All he need to do is point at the direction as you can see here.


Experience and Intelligence:

• Warlord of the Galaxy Vilgax who has been a warlord conquering multiple planets and has 3000 years of expierence as you can see failed to break of his crystals.
• He defeated Warlord of the Galaxy Vilgax
• Diamondhead defeated 10,000 year old magican Hex while entire battle took place in the sky as you can see he is agile and acrobatic
• Also Diamondhead kept up with Agent Six who is an agent of Providence Organization and given the title of "Sixth deadliest man on Earth"

For reference on how good Vilgax is

Vilgax himself designed the Omntrix device that transform you into millions of aliens (Super Geniuse intelligence)
Conqueror of 10 planets, Basically top 5 people on Earth like Agent Six can't defeat Ben along with the villain High Override the destroyer and conqueror of planets who leads his army to conquer planets, lead to destruction of his own species planet everyone on Fulmas planet are soldiers with natural warrior instinct as they are constantly battling with other planets & conquering them, yet was defeated by Ben and

Diamondhead has all the resistances mentioned on Reboot Ben's profile

While he is not a marital art god or anything but he DID INDEED kept up with Agent Six and Stalemated him who is "Top 6 most deadliest swordsmen on Earth"

That mean he is indeed capable of hanging in there until he can execute his CRYSTAL IMPRISONMENT finisher

Any solar energy attack simply gets deflected literally touching Diamondhead skin only thing throwing Energy attacks at him will do is give Diamondhead power boosts he'll absorb and shoot it back without any hesitation.

---

If Boros wants to 1 vs 1 Hand to hand combat he would eventually would lose that's because:
Arguments 1

He neds to get closer to do this, His main Energy attacks are out of the window in his battle because they would literally give DH absorption boosts. The moment he get's closer using all the strength to bust giganstic walls and layers of kilometer wide Crystals DH simply needs to point and him and win via Crystal Imprisonment.

Heat & Fire Resistance:

• Diamondhead absorbs energy, lasers and fire and fire's them back at enemies giving him a nice boost, He has resistance to Fire & Heat (He can be empowered by fire generated by enemies or around him and use them for advantage) and uses it to absorb a fully grown adult Heatblast powers who held nothing back against the villain Xerge and wasn't even bothered by his heat.
  
  Heatblast lives called his home world which is a star called Pyros.
  
  
  HB’s heat should be comparable to the star he lives on. Which would be around 6000 Kelvin of an average Star.
  This is just the surface temperature of a Star… which is why he is not high 6-A. A regular pyronites’ body (living on Pyros) temperature should be comparable to the surface temperature of a Star by virtue of how heat works in a non-isolated system.

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Arguments 2
My argument is Ben is going to FORCE his way to execute CRYSTAL IMPRISONMENT, Ben is a quick thinker in Reboot and distracing Boros around with his classic range game only for Boros to get pissed off and decides to kick DH but DH will construct like Kilometer wide Crystals to block eventually Boros would get closer but be defeated by Crystal Imprisonment.

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Arguments 3

Even the weakest aliens Low tiers: XLR8, Heatblast, Wildvine, etc. scale to are 6.86 Exatons. Diamondhead is a Mid tier who can defeat individual members of Weatherheads.
Individual Weatherheads are considered low tiers due to being easily defeated by mid tiers such as Cannonbolt, DH can go toe to toe againt Mid to Top tiers of the verse including Vilgax.
Also,
Ben has SUPERNATURAL WILLPOWER and every single ability listed on profile of Ben Tennyson

Feats:

• Stayed awake for 24 hours. To him justice never sleeps, and he saved the day numerous times, dubbing this as Ben 24.
• Defeated Vilgax and the Weatherheads at the same time.
• Defeated Alien V.
• Ben was not hypnotized from Zombobo's hypno machine.
• Broke free from the illusion world of Zombozo by concentrating enough.
• Defeated High Override and overcame his mind control (Who was amplified by the entire Fulmini army)

I'm voting for Diamondhead because him having Supernatural Willpower would allow him to force his way forward and execute CRYSTAL IMPRISONMENT.

I'm going to address all of this when I read the profile of diamond guy, but I feel as though you're completely ignoring instantaneous Boros' high-mid regen

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I'm going to address all of this when I read the profile of diamond guy, but I feel as though you're completely ignoring instantaneous Boros' high-mid regen

No have boros a limit of regeneration due energy he uses to do it? iirc

 

[Kachon123]

No have boros a limit of regeneration due energy he uses to do it? iirc

That's only in his Released Form. In Meteoric Burst, his regeneration seems to be instantaneous.

 

[DemonicDude]

My main argument is thought based Crystal Sealing.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Comparison:
Attack Potency:

• Diamondhead: 20.58 Exatons
• Boros: Upscales from 5.68 Exatons
• Diamondhead holds 3.62x advantage

Lifting Strength:

• Diamondhead: Class G
• Boros: Class G
• Both has similar LS

To start off...
This analysis is a bit little misleading from what I can tell
to be specific, Boros' scaling chain looks like this
Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon is (self destruct) >>Meteoric Burst>Released Boros' final flash(vaporization)>Released Boros AP>Full power tatsumaki>Suppressed Tatsumaki(capable of this)>>>>>>Psykorochi>Gaia cannon>5.68 exatons
If even released boros physically has an AP disadvantage to begin with, then it would be an extremely miniscule disadvantage that's not even worth mentioning

additionally
I couldn't tell cause of the clusterfuck of different units and stuff, but I'm pretty sure boros' LS is like 1.5 to 2.5 times higher. So yeah that's cool. Someone double check that for me tho

To put it simple Crystal alien shoots crystals make anything of crystals he imagines, Got endless supply of it on his arsenal.
Starting move:

Diamondhead leads with throwing crystal projectiles which he can shoot from kilometers away.


After which he uses his fighting style which is to keep as much distance as possible from the enemy by making entire paths of crystals to ride of them and surfing away into the sky and shooting Crystal projectiles from the air, As he can shoot them from any part of his bodies and making crystal shields, weapons, tools of his desire to redirect and deflect any incoming attacks on him.
He is a ranged acrobatic attacker who will go straight into the sky and shoot attacks at Boros from dozens of Kilometers away while constantly surfing in air & riding on his crystal paths mainting his distance which is his attacking style.

that's cool, but non fatal considering boros has high mid regen. Shooting at him with stuff like that wouldn't do anything notable really.

Killing moves:
Can pierce through or using his Class G lifting strength can use many moves mentioned on his profile such as
Diamondhead can restrict his enemies by Crystallizing them using his
Crystal imprisonment
All he need to do is point at the direction as you can see here.

that's cool, but it doesn't seem like something boros couldn't break out of just through sheer strength, especially since he can emit shit ton of energy directly from his body at will

Experience and Intelligence:

• Warlord of the Galaxy Vilgax who has been a warlord conquering multiple planets and has 3000 years of expierence as you can see failed to break of his crystals.
• He defeated Warlord of the Galaxy Vilgax
• Diamondhead defeated 10,000 year old magican Hex while entire battle took place in the sky as you can see he is agile and acrobatic
• Also Diamondhead kept up with Agent Six who is an agent of Providence Organization and given the title of "Sixth deadliest man on Earth"

For reference on how good Vilgax is

Vilgax himself designed the Omntrix device that transform you into millions of aliens (Super Geniuse intelligence)
Conqueror of 10 planets, Basically top 5 people on Earth like Agent Six can't defeat Ben along with the villain High Override the destroyer and conqueror of planets who leads his army to conquer planets, lead to destruction of his own species planet everyone on Fulmas planet are soldiers with natural warrior instinct as they are constantly battling with other planets & conquering them, yet was defeated by Ben and

that's cool, but this is misleading
he doesn't actually have supergenius intelligence, due to the fact that supergenius doesn't necessarily equate to supergenius level of combat skill

Diamondhead has all the resistances mentioned on Reboot Ben's profile

that's cool, but none of these actually matter in this fight

While he is not a marital art god or anything but he DID INDEED kept up with Agent Six and Stalemated him who is "Top 6 most deadliest swordsmen on Earth"

That mean he is indeed capable of hanging in there until he can execute his CRYSTAL IMPRISONMENT finisher

Any solar energy attack simply gets deflected literally touching Diamondhead skin only thing throwing Energy attacks at him will do is give Diamondhead power boosts he'll absorb and shoot it back without any hesitation.

that's cool, but boros would stop throwing out energy attacks at him once he realizes that.

If Boros wants to 1 vs 1 Hand to hand combat he would eventually would lose that's because:
Arguments 1

He neds to get closer to do this, His main Energy attacks are out of the window in his battle because they would literally give DH absorption boosts. The moment he get's closer using all the strength to bust giganstic walls and layers of kilometer wide Crystals DH simply needs to point and him and win via Crystal Imprisonment.

Heat & Fire Resistance:

• Diamondhead absorbs energy, lasers and fire and fire's them back at enemies giving him a nice boost, He has resistance to Fire & Heat (He can be empowered by fire generated by enemies or around him and use them for advantage) and uses it to absorb a fully grown adult Heatblast powers who held nothing back against the villain Xerge and wasn't even bothered by his heat.
  
  Heatblast lives called his home world which is a star called Pyros.
  
  
  HB’s heat should be comparable to the star he lives on. Which would be around 6000 Kelvin of an average Star.
  This is just the surface temperature of a Star… which is why he is not high 6-A. A regular pyronites’ body (living on Pyros) temperature should be comparable to the surface temperature of a Star by virtue of how heat works in a non-isolated system.

that's cool, but energy isn't really his main attack, he can go without it, especially since he has meteoric burst
I'm not gonna be redundant with the rest

Arguments 2
My argument is Ben is going to FORCE his way to execute CRYSTAL IMPRISONMENT, Ben is a quick thinker in Reboot and distracing Boros around with his classic range game only for Boros to get pissed off and decides to kick DH but DH will construct like Kilometer wide Crystals to block eventually Boros would get closer but be defeated by Crystal Imprisonment.

that's cool, but imprisonment doesn't seem to be the end all here, considering Boros has more LS than the guy it trapped, along with energy releases as I discussed early.
Worst case scenario, he could meteoric burst out of there.

Arguments 3

Even the weakest aliens Low tiers: XLR8, Heatblast, Wildvine, etc. scale to are 6.86 Exatons. Diamondhead is a Mid tier who can defeat individual members of Weatherheads.
Individual Weatherheads are considered low tiers due to being easily defeated by mid tiers such as Cannonbolt, DH can go toe to toe againt Mid to Top tiers of the verse including Vilgax.

that's cool, but beating some baseline 6.86 exa people doesn't really compare to Boros scaling absolutely massively above his 5.68

Ben has SUPERNATURAL WILLPOWER and every single ability listed on profile of Ben Tennyson

sorry, but supernatural willpower doesn't cure death (unless you're metal bat)

Feats:

• Stayed awake for 24 hours. To him justice never sleeps, and he saved the day numerous times, dubbing this as Ben 24.
• Defeated Vilgax and the Weatherheads at the same time.
• Defeated Alien V.
• Ben was not hypnotized from Zombobo's hypno machine.
• Broke free from the illusion world of Zombozo by concentrating enough.
• Defeated High Override and overcame his mind control (Who was amplified by the entire Fulmini army)

I've stayed awake for 40 hours before, I solo the verse
anyways boros doesn't hypnotize, put people to sleep, or make illusions, so none of this matters

Boros simply says "good borning, and good night" and bors all over him

 

[RemainsAE]

Diamond fra

 

[ZillertheBucko]

....of course 4 people immediately said "FRA" before the Boros counterargument even came
why do I even bother sometimes

 

[ZillertheBucko]

to elaborate on csrc's scaling chain by the way
boros stated that it would destroy saitama AND the planet's surface, and that it uses up ALL of his remaining energy
boros believed it would be capable of one shotting a saitama who he already knew had effortlessly tanked and overpowered his meteoric burst form, meaning that it is insanely more powerful than what the 12 and 5.68 exaton calcs suggest, and honestly is most likely capable of harming a moon level character, although that's not something that can be quantified
point is, it's way stronger than what the number says.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Diamondhead FRA

Diamond fra

fra

Crystalfist FRA

Diamond fra

peep the response I posted

 

[DemonicDude]

Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon is (self destruct) >>Meteoric Burst>Released Boros' final flash(vaporization)>Released Boros AP>Full power tatsumaki>Suppressed Tatsumaki(capable of this)>>>>>>Psykorochi>Gaia cannon>5.68 exatons
If even released boros physically has an AP disadvantage to begin with, then it would be an extremely miniscule disadvantage that's not even worth mentioning

additionally
I couldn't tell cause of the clusterfuck of different units and stuff, but I'm pretty sure boros' LS is like 1.5 to 2.5 times higher. So yeah that's cool. Someone double check that for me tho

Even if it's 1.25 times higher
LS is a non factor DH does not physically engage in strength battles. He is a ranged attacker.

that's cool, but non fatal considering boros has high mid regen. Shooting at him with stuff like that wouldn't do anything notable really.

Yeah match starts DH shoots couple of projectiles it doesn't work he starts surfing around waiting for boros to apporach him.

that's cool, but it doesn't seem like something boros couldn't break out of just through sheer strength, especially since he can emit shit ton of energy directly from his body at will

You need higher AP for that

that's cool, but this is misleading
he doesn't actually have supergenius intelligence, due to the fact that supergenius doesn't necessarily equate to supergenius level of combat skill

Never said he does, was talking about Vilgax's intelligence who co created the omnitrix and is superior to Mixed Marital artist Forever Knight and Agent Six swordmenship

that's cool, but none of these actually matter in this fight

that's cool, but boros would stop throwing out energy attacks at him once he realizes that.

Good so he needs to approach him in that case Crystal sealing is his go to move

that's cool, but imprisonment doesn't seem to be the end all here, considering Boros has more LS than the guy it trapped, along with energy releases as I discussed early.
Worst case scenario, he could meteoric burst out of there.

LS does no equal AP when it comes to pushing and breaking out off constructs.

that's cool, but beating some baseline 6.86 exa people doesn't really compare to Boros scaling absolutely massively above his 5.68

Cannonbolt casually perfroms 6.86 exatons feat.

sorry, but supernatural willpower doesn't cure death (unless you're metal bat)

Death by what ? Exacly
his Energy absoption option is out of the window meaning Boros can just physically engage in battle and has to apporach DH and DH can just crystal imprison him.

I've stayed awake for 40 hours before, I solo the verse
anyways boros doesn't hypnotize, put people to sleep, or make illusions, so none of this matters

Boros simply says "good borning, and good night" and bors all over him

to elaborate on csrc's scaling chain by the way
boros stated that it would destroy saitama AND the planet's surface, and that it uses up ALL of his remaining energy

Cool DH can go kilometers high into the clouds and is unbothered by an adult Heatblast heat whose Potency I already mentioned.

boros believed it would be capable of one shotting a saitama who he already knew had effortlessly tanked and overpowered his meteoric burst form, meaning that it is

This is not Saitma and yes Supernatural willpower gives Ben extra support in pushing his limits to force his way forward I never said he can not die but when he HAS a wincon and he has "Enough backing Up to execute it" then he will.

insanely more powerful than what the 12 and 5.68 exaton calcs suggest, and honestly is most likely capable of harming a moon level character, although that's not something that can be quantified

So you're just telling me OPM characters are impressive which I know I have read the manga there are feats left and right, Casual low Tier aliens such as Cannonbolt Mere jump sends Trillions of tons of Water into orbit seen from outerspace. who get's beaten by Vilgax while DH can combat against MId tier threats such as Vilgax, Agent Six, Hex etc

peep the response I posted

Yeah and I posted a counter argument.

 

[DemonicDude]

To sum it up
essentially you are saying due to stronger "Scaling Chain" in his verse Boros is gonna bust out of Diamondhead Constructs who has Superior in AP + Supernatural Willpower on top and none of them is gonna matter to Boros who has...... Super Strength.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Even if it's 1.25 times higher
LS is a non factor DH does not physically engage in strength battles. He is a ranged attacker.

I believe it actually does matter when the wincon you're spewing left and right is based on Boros being restrained by his prison.

Yeah match starts DH shoots couple of projectiles it doesn't work he starts surfing around waiting for boros to apporach him.

so in other words, they're basically useless

You need higher AP for that

even if boros is somehow got trapped, he doesn't need free hands or anything to keep just releasing energy to break out of the prison, or just going meteoric burst to do it.

Never said he does, was talking about Vilgax's intelligence who co created the omnitrix and is superior to Mixed Marital artist Forever Knight and Agent Six swordmenship

you were very clearly trying to bring up his supergenius rating as if it matters here.

Cannonbolt casually perfroms 6.86 exatons feat.

ok, boros' scaling chain also includes a casual AND injured tatsumaki.

Death by what ? Exacly
his Energy absoption option is out of the window meaning Boros can just physically engage in battle and has to apporach DH and DH can just crystal imprison him.

by being punched to death, getting his prison broken out of, and then being punched to death some more

Cool DH can go kilometers high into the clouds and is unbothered by an adult Heatblast heat whose Potency I already mentioned.

just putting that there as a boros flex
kinda like how you were waving around illusion and mind control resistance

This is not Saitma and yes Supernatural willpower gives Ben extra support in pushing his limits to force his way forward I never said he can not die but when he HAS a wincon and he has "Enough backing Up to execute it" then he will.

supernatural willpower is cool but it still doesn't cure death (he will be punched to death)

So you're just telling me OPM characters are impressive which I know I have read the manga there are feats left and right, Casual low Tier aliens such as Cannonbolt Mere jump sends Trillions of tons of Water into orbit seen from outerspace. who get's beaten by Vilgax while DH can combat against MId tier threats such as Vilgax, Agent Six, Hex etc

it's called a scaling chain, and that feat looks barely tier 6 so I have no idea why you're bringing it up to begin with

To sum it up
essentially you are saying due to stronger "Scaling Chain" in his verse Boros is gonna bust out of Diamondhead Constructs who has Superior in AP + Supernatural Willpower on top and none of them is gonna matter to Boros who has...... Super Strength.

Yes.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Scared to vote

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Scared to vote

you better be
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/877364040018587720/1101635880696958986/IMG_0551.png

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I'm voting Boros by the way

 

[DemonicDude]

I believe it actually does matter when the wincon you're spewing left and right is based on Boros being restrained by his prison.

so in other words, they're basically useless

Yeah never said DH can kill him via throwing blades at him main argument was Crystal Sealing

even if boros is somehow got trapped, he doesn't need free hands or anything to keep just releasing energy to break out of the prison, or just going meteoric burst to do it.

Cool he get's tired after using ALL of his energy right ?
DH is NOT Saitama who is gonna annoy Boros so no reason for him to use Star Roaring Cannon Over and Over again and even if he does doesn't he get tired after that ?
Actually it does matter but I'm still asking

you were very clearly trying to bring up his supergenius rating as if it matters here.

Nice attempt to "Logic Trap" me
I know how this site works
Read carefully

For reference on how good Vilgax is

Vilgax himself designed the Omntrix device that transform you into millions of aliens (Super Geniuse intelligence)
Conqueror of 10 planets, Basically top 5 people on Earth like Agent Six can't defeat Ben along with the villain High Override the destroyer and conqueror of planets who leads his army to conquer planets, lead to destruction of his own species planet everyone on Fulmas planet are soldiers with natural warrior instinct as they are constantly battling with other planets & conquering them, yet was defeated by Ben and

These people "Posessing" this LEVEL of intelligence fought AND FAILED to defeat Ben.
Not once it's written that Ben himself has this level of intelligence although he could via Grey Matter that's a different story for a different day

So just like how you are saying and using BOLT TEXT to tell how strong his attack was.

boros stated that it would destroy saitama AND the planet's surface, and that it uses up ALL of his remaining energy
boros believed it would be capable of one shotting a saitama who he already knew had effortlessly tanked and overpowered his meteoric burst form, meaning that it is insanely more powerful than what the 12 and 5.68 exaton calcs suggest, and honestly is most likely capable of harming a moon level character, although that's not something that can be quantified

I'm literallly explaining how my characters works and what level of fighters failed to defeat him to give people a better idea of who Diamondhead is.

ok, boros' scaling chain also includes a casual AND injured tatsumaki.

So battles are now judged by scaling chains of injured charcaters very well now "Quanfiy" how much AP should Mr. Boros get for "injured tatsumaki" to the points he's gonna overcome 3.62x AP gap.

by being punched to death, getting his prison broken out of, and then being punched to death some more

And.......DH is gonna allow that ?
with ridiculous Raid road sized Structures, Shields, Weapons, What happened to Boros not being able to FLY ? Meanwhile DH can go to into storm clouds which are 8000m+ high

just putting that there as a boros flex kinda like how you were waving around illusion and mind control resistance

I don't Wave, I walk in Eternity

supernatural willpower is cool but it still doesn't cure death (he will be punched to death)

Yeah and you think think whatever I have stated here is all that I have for this Debate and all that's all what my character can offer ? so you started tagging others to change their vote without even asking me "Demonic are all those argument you have"

it's called a scaling chain, and that feat looks barely tier 6 so I have no idea why you're bringing it up to begin with Yes.

Wait.....did you said why are you brining that up ?
Dude you literally a line above said

it's called a scaling chain

That's part of my charcaters scaling chain! Or are the rules of the debate that I can't bring my characters verse and scaling chain up

Scared to vote

Honey I haven't even posted my main arugment yet

 

[DemonicDude]

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Argument 4

One more thing I forgot is,
Boros is smart right ? (Again DOESN'T matter still just....ya know saying)
It is clear-Cut mentioned on every single Ben 10 Aliens page that they have all abilities and Reistances of the Omnitrix

Wouldn't he try to strike at the heart of such creature to finish it. (Or at least see what's gonna happen when Notcing Omnitrix symbol ?)

Well If you hit Omnitrix in the middle This happens

Portal Creation and Dimensional Travel (Can Teleported inside the Omnitrix by using a tapping shortcut)

Time Travel (if Omnitrix gets directly hit in the middle results in a time travel portal sending enemy back in time) Scan 1 and Scan 2

He can seal him Shut inside the Omnitrix or send him back in time and win via BFR.

Omnitrix itself is Low 5-B

Wincons:
1- Forcefully allow Boros to hit OMNITRIX resulting in him being BFR (via time travel)
2- Use Tapping Short cut (Learned from the creator the Omnitrix Azmuth himself)
3- Supernatural Willpower + Crystal Imprisonment (Up to the debaters who are reading this as I stick with my wincon)

And I'm going to sleep

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Yeah never said DH can kill him via throwing blades at him main argument was Crystal Sealing

yep, so lets not bring up stuff that we agree is useless

Cool he get's tired after using ALL of his energy right ?
DH is NOT Saitama who is gonna annoy Boros so no reason for him to use Star Roaring Cannon Over and Over again and even if he does doesn't he get tired after that ?
Actually it does matter but I'm still asking

no, he would be able to break it with regular blasts, I don't see what csrc has to do with this.

Nice attempt to "Logic Trap" me
I know how this site works
Read carefully

what

These people "Posessing" this LEVEL of intelligence fought AND FAILED to defeat Ben.
Not once it's written that Ben himself has this level of intelligence although he could via Grey Matter that's a different story for a different day

then why bring up supergenius if it's not a supergenius feat

I'm literallly explaining how my characters works and what level of fighters failed to defeat him to give people a better idea of who Diamondhead is.

Boros analysis:
he says he's been bored, says "it's borin time" and starts boring all over the universe

So battles are now judged by scaling chains of injured charcaters very well now "Quanfiy" how much AP should Mr. Boros get for "injured tatsumaki" to the points he's gonna overcome 3.62x AP gap.

yeah.

And.......DH is gonna allow that ?
with ridiculous Raid road sized Structures, Shields, Weapons, What happened to Boros not being able to FLY ? Meanwhile DH can go to into storm clouds which are 8000m+ high

he's going to fail to kill boros, and then get punched some more
his strategy again saitama was literally to win a battle of attrition, since he knew he'd recover from damage no matter what was thrown at him.

Yeah and you think think whatever I have stated here is all that I have for this Debate and all that's all what my character can offer ? so you started tagging others to change their vote without even asking me "Demonic are all those argument you have"

well you did type out a whole essay for us, to the point where you added filler like mind control resistance, so I assume you don't have anything very big left to offer.

Wait.....did you said why are you brining that up ?
Dude you literally a line above said

That's part of my charcaters scaling chain! Or are the rules of the debate that I can't bring my characters verse and scaling chain up

sorry, but "he can casually do this high 6-C or something feat!" doesn't really bring a lot to the table in a high 6-A battle, so you'll have to forgive me for not really caring

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Argument 4

One more thing I forgot is,
Boros is smart right ? (Again DOESN'T matter still just....ya know saying)
It is clear-Cut mentioned on every single Ben 10 Aliens page that they have all abilities and Reistances of the Omnitrix

Wouldn't he try to strike at the heart of such creature to finish it. (Or at least see what's gonna happen when Notcing Omnitrix symbol ?)

Well If you hit Omnitrix in the middle This happens

Portal Creation and Dimensional Travel (Can Teleported inside the Omnitrix by using a tapping shortcut)

Time Travel (if Omnitrix gets directly hit in the middle results in a time travel portal sending enemy back in time) Scan 1 and Scan 2

He can seal him Shut inside the Omnitrix or send him back in time and win via BFR.

Omnitrix itself is Low 5-B

Wincons:
1- Forcefully allow Boros to hit OMNITRIX resulting in him being BFR (via time travel)
2- Use Tapping Short cut (Learned from the creator the Omnitrix Azmuth himself)
3- Supernatural Willpower + Crystal Imprisonment (Up to the debaters who are reading this as I stick with my wincon)

And I'm going to sleep

it very clearly transports them both in