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One Piece: Sanji's Enhanced Speed

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Sanji's speed section on his profile would look like this:

At least FTL (Moved this fast), higher attack speed with Diable Jambe, FTL+ with his enhanced speed (Moved faster than Hybrid Queen could see, who at first believed he was invisible), far higher with Ifrit Jambe (Utilizes both his enhanced speed and Diable Jambe. Landed 10 consecutive hits on Hybrid Queen without him able to respond)
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Sanji is the only character who scales to this right now, so his profile is the only one effected by this.
 
Don't we normally need a statement or a calc to assume lightspeed reactions from Queen for this calc?
 
Yeah, the attack is lightspeed, but Queen isn't using the attack in this scan. And unless he has a statement of being lightspeed himself or having the reactions, we'd have to calculate an instance of him reacting to his attack in order to give him lightspeed reactions. Unless there's another reason.
 
A possibly/likely FTL+ would be better, under Duedate8898 analysis.
Sightly reacting still needs to be evaluated by a calc.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
I think he's claiming that because Henry Blazer is light speed, Queen's imitation of it must be light speed too.
Kind of an association fallacy but I don't really give a shit.
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Yeah. It is an association fallacy.

Henry Blazer being a lightspeed attack that Niji can use (which works entirely differently to Queen extending his neck) doesn't prove that Henry Queen is a lightspeed attack too.
 
Kachon123 said:
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Sanji's speed section on his profile would look like this:



Sanji is the only character who scales to this right now, so his profile is the only one effected by this.
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Also:
One: Queen doesn't really need to react to this movement, he's just moving in a straight line at Sanji.
I could get if it was like Kuro using that Soru-like technique and cutting everything because he can't comprehend the speeds he's moving at, but this is just him lunging at Sanji in a very straightforward manner.
Kind of hard to word but I think you get the point.
Two: Sanji couldn't react to the attack in time, we see the little spark next to him indicating he sees it coming but he doesn't even attempt to block or anything, so it was likely a blitz.
Three:
TheMonkeMan said:
Kind of an association fallacy
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KingTempest said:
Henry Queen = Henry Blazer = LS
I don't think we really need to say Henry Queen ain't LS, only point of contention should be the reactions
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It's just an imitation.
Just like you wouldn't say Yamato's Thunder Bagua is the exact same in speed, AP, etc. to Kaidou's, you shouldn't say Henry Queen = Henry Blazer in speed.
 
Damage3245 said:
Yeah. It is an association fallacy.

Henry Blazer being a lightspeed attack that Niji can use (which works entirely differently to Queen extending his neck) doesn't prove that Henry Queen is a lightspeed attack too.
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Then why did you accept it as such...

The lightning and niji himself moves at the speed of light through science (that's literally niji's main ability), how would it work entirely differently if he replicated that with science?

him moving differently doesn't change that
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Then why did you accept it as such...

The lightning and niji himself moves at the speed of light through science (that's literally niji's main ability), how would it work entirely differently if he replicated that with science?

him moving differently doesn't change that
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Because he never says they're exact replicas.
 
Damage3245 said:
I'm just correcting you when said I accepted Queen having a lightspeed attack through that.
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Ok, Sure but how isn't it light speed through that if that's niji's ability with science?

That is what queen researched and replicated which is what you accepted, if you disagree with the speed then you're disagreeing with queen having niji's abilities
 
Queen saying that he replicated it means that he made the ability in the same way
He just uses it differently

Just like how Ichiji's main ability is to shoot lasers but he usually runs while doing so, Queen's lasers are the same

Niji's ability is just to move at lightspeed, Queen's is the same except he doesn't run around slashing ppl, but his neck still moves at LS
 
KingTempest said:
Niji's ability is just to move at lightspeed, Queen's is the same except he doesn't run around slashing ppl, but his neck still moves at LS
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I wouldn't say that Niji's ability to just to move at lightspeed. I'd say it's more controlling electricity in combat.

Queen does the same thing via electrocuting Sanji with his attack. That's what I'd consider to be the ability they share there.
 
Damage3245 said:
I wouldn't say that Niji's ability to just to move at lightspeed. I'd say it's more controlling electricity in combat.

Queen does the same thing via electrocuting Sanji with his attack. That's what I'd consider to be the ability they share there.
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Niji's regular ability is to utilize lightning. His Henry Blazer's point is to move at lightspeed and he uses his sword to aid that
 
Kachon123 said:
Are you kidding me?

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That's just him flashing back to his brother's abilities. He's realizing that Queen is using Niji's electricity powers. It's not proof that Queen headbutted him at lightspeed.
 
Kachon123 said:
That's not anyone flashing back to anything. That's Oda showing us what abilities Queen was using.
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It doesn't prove Queen is moving at lightspeed in that scene. Using the same ability does not mean it is being used the same way. I am against this CRT.
 
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