Serlock_Holmes
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Yeah, maybe Super Shenron is tied with him. GP is way below him though.
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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
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Serlock_Holmes
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Just saw he just upscales from everyone else so he might still not scale.
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if he is tied with him, then Zeno wouldn't be "the strongest" as someone would match him, and "no one can beat him" would also not be true since someone equal to you can beat you
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so he would still be 2-C in durability?
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DB uses UES tho, unless there's proof his attacks scale above his stats? Isn't that the issue with moving hit to 5d time hax as well?
Well tbh, you can be on the same tier as someone and still get folded, a timeline buster giving him that much prop is weird to ignore especially since we know it can bring back things erased by Zeno, not it's basically just an argument either way.
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Nothing states Zeno's power peaks at timeline busting. That's just the most we've seen from him so far. Super Shenron can be capable of timeline busting (As Zeno states he can do anything and the Grand Priest states there is no wish beyond his power) while still not being on Zeno's level.
And I can already tell you're going to think something like "Well doesn't that mean Super Shenron can erase Zeno?" and the simple answer is that 5D beings can have infinite power gaps from one another. Zeno can believe Super Shenron can wipe out the world (timeline) while also being above him.
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Just one question, what happens if a place doesn't have the concept of space-time and the character goes there and sets time?
Shouldn't this character receive conceptual manipulation?
Shouldn't this character receive conceptual manipulation?
Serlock_Holmes
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We don't know how GP did it. Maybe he can control the dimension?
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I don't know, but I don't know why Zeno doesn't have non-existent, or even conceptual, erasure.
Since he erased the timeline, therefore space-time + null realm which does not have the concepts of space and time.
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Exactly, it was supposed to be in Zen'ō's profile, and Daishinkan put space-time in the void.
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the argument would put the dragon as above Zeno tho
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both of those "can do anything" would include wishes such as "defeat Zeno in a fair fight" so if you take that literally, then you would be saying that he is above Zeno
if he can do "anything" then a simple infinite gap would emcompass the "anything" he can do, soooo
when was this stated?
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no, the character should have time manipulation
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why conceptual? also, do we know if the world of Void is part of the timeline?
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In DBX, you can visit the tournament of power in different timelines on the parallel quests.
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As far as I know null realm was spoken of as outside the multiverse and not the timeline.
In addition to what the one above said.
Conceptual is more difficult, but it can be argued that Zeno erased the concepts of space-time because of the coloring of the scene. Even the null realm without time or space is still "dark" while what zeno erases has that strange color.
Yes, kind of stupid thing, but anything stupid can be cooked.
Killerdrone123
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Actually I second this
Serlock_Holmes
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Nah I don't see cm off of that. Let's not make bullshit crt's and get people angry.
Killerdrone123
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Ok one thing i can say might give us cm is ki
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DBH was often made multiple crt, many people were sick of the same arguments, That's why nothing ever happened.
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I think that's fine
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we are talking about main canon, gameverse is not canon to it
but was it ever said to be part of the timeline?
non canon information
.....excuse me? the null realm's color? what logic is this?
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If it's stated Zeno is above all beings and then stated Super Shenron can do anything then the simple conclusion is that Super Shenron can do anything but defeat Zeno.
No. It wouldn't. It would just mean he can do anything but defeat Zeno.
Episode 131:
"Ask for anything."
"It can do anything."
"Grant anything.
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I feel like I’m the only one not on board with this “let’s stretch the new upgrades as far as possible” hype, lmao.
Fezzih_007
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Wow, imagine getting angry because of a DB CRT
I honestly think no one cares about stupid CRTs, as long there's not many of them.
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One more hour
Killerdrone123
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Bruh you are saying wov is outside timeline it was never said to be outside of the timeline you have to prove that
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At the same time, it was never proven to be within the timeline canonically.
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Honestly, some people are very angry about this,you can see how the guy is in the crtWow, imagine getting angry because of a DB CRT
I honestly think no one cares about stupid CRTs, as long there's not many of them.
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no, because if Zeno and Daishinkan said that "there is nothing Super Shenron can't do" then that would include defeating them both, if you want to use the "he can do anything statement" as evidence, then you will need to put him above Zeno, since no matter how strong he is, he is include in the "anything"
such limits are never said
i once again ask, when was it stated that he could destroy the timeline? using this as "he can anything" has problems as i have pointed
Killerdrone123
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to be fair it is better to assume it is inside timeline then to be outside
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the positive claim "it is part of the timeline" is what needs to be proven, no one needs to prove a negative
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why exactly?
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Laughing a lot about this
Fezzih_007
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Even AKM agreed that GP made those concepts. The gravity thing as well,
Can you have gravity without space time? He had to have made it himself
Imho, If he can control a dimension without time or space and create time or space there, it's still a concept he's creating
If it's beyond the timeline, you do realize that would be a huge upgrade to people like toppo and co who could shake and warp it as side effects?. Plus nothing says they left the entire timeline,
Fezzih_007
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Also, can you stop multiposting? Like, i get out of this thread, and a notification pops up immediality.
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I think we should create a crt later to try to update the GP
