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This would give Low 1-C range to some characters with teleportation or dimensional travel.
For being able to leave their timelines.
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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
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For being able to leave their timelines.
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Killerdrone123
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Then you have to make many assumptions on where it could be if it outside of timeline so it is better to take the simple route then to make it more complicated if it is was never said to be outside of the timeline
Serlock_Holmes
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You mean you prefer a conservative approach?
Yeah the logical claim, since every other location is and it can't be unique would be that it's included. Staff like the swirling lights is kind of weird but WoV should be 100% in no need to be stated.
I mean why would it be specific to the original timeline? What we call original timeline isn't even the first. So it wouldn't make sense for it to be singular, but only the GP in the normal setting would use it, while even the Zeno's get copied paste. As I said the only thing potentially not included would be the swirlings lights dimension.
Occam's Razor would mean that since the WoV was never referenced as something all that special and everyone was pretty casual about it that it is not that special of a place and should be copy pasted like everything else. Also the fact noone has used it before ToP points to it being exclusive to the timeline.
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As for Zen'ō's palace, I know that it is literally outside the 12 Universes
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It would be strange to lose to Super Shenling to restore the universes, if the null void is outside the timelines. The guy would have to guess which erased universes the guys are talking about.
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You know what, let's say it's outside the timeline.
This way we can give Low 1-C range (dimensional travel tp) to 2-C characters.
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You know what, let's say it's outside the timeline.
This way we can give Low 1-C range (dimensional travel tp) to 2-C characters.
Serlock_Holmes
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Why would they have Low 1-C? Who moved to and fro ToP? Didn't GP move them?
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Okay...so Zeno and the Grand Priest both state Super Shenron can do anything. And your take is that includes defeating them when Zeno is stated to be unbeatable.
Sure. Super Shenron > Zeno.
You tried to argue against Low 1-C Super Shenron by bringing up Whis stating no one can defeat Zeno. Meaning you are trying to limit Super Shenron's abilities via the same statement. You are effectively arguing against yourself.
The part where Zeno, a timeline buster, states Super Shenron can grant anything?
It doesn't have any problems. Either Super Shenron has a limit (Zeno) as you yourself argued (and I argued) or he doesn't have a limit (as you also argued) and that makes him Low 1-C. Either way Super Shenron can do anything according to Zeno (a timeline buster) and 5D is an infinite tier of power, meaning Zeno can just be infinitely above Super Shenron while Super Shenron still being capable of timeline busting.
The only limit we know of is "Zeno is unbeatable." which doesn't debunk the idea that Super Shenron can timeline bust (As the timeline buster states Shenron can do anything) and you tried arguing that limit shouldn't exist which would make it Low 1-C.
Zeno > (Can't defeat Zeno) Super Shenron > Baseline Low 1-C
(No limits) Super Shenron > Zeno > Baseline Low 1-C
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When all this cools down sure
I mean if he argued that it's outside, everyone scaling to the Jiren that Shook it or the toppo that warped it will get low 1c scaling basically, besides it's much more likely that's it's inside their timeline than beyond it
Occam razor basically
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I'm talking about guys like GP and not goku.
Serlock_Holmes
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Maybe a possibly for Super Shenron would be good. 2-C, Possibly Low 1-C.
Killerdrone123
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I am cool with it but it will make hits ability even more complex regarding what temporal dimension he was using
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Like super shenron.
He would be able to restore universes from a timeline in which he is outside (since he is in the null realm)
Low Range 1-C.
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Serlock_Holmes
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Yeah it makes no sense for it to not be included when everything else is included. It wasn't signified as that special of a location beyond it being empty of virtually everything so the idea that it's not included in the timeline makes no sense. Now swirling lights I can get behind though Broly and Gogeta did get there via 4-D which would make it below the timeline as a whole....eh pretty confusing.
Nullflowerblush
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I'll make a CRT, then.Striking strenght and durability scale tho
Zen'ō (Anime)
Zen'ō (全王ぜんおう?, lit. "Omni-King") is the king of all of the twelve universes in the Dragon Ball multiverse. Although child-like in appearance and personality, his power is feared by even the Angels and the Gods of Destruction, having destroyed six of the original eighteen universes in a fit of...vsbattles.fandom.com
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It also makes no sense for Zeno to leave his entire timeline just to watch fighters from 8 of his 12 remaining universes fight
Serlock_Holmes
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Nah Zeno would for sure do that. Point is we have no reason to assume it's outside so it's inside unless noted.
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Killerdrone123
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Wait couldn't hit be simply manipulating the temporal dimension which gp added to wov since it was a place with no space and time
Nullflowerblush
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I've been trying to search for my past messages and threads, but the Search function is dead???
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The forum is running on fumes tbh.
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Sure. Either way the arguments against Low 1-C Super Shenron seem weak.
Take 1:
- Zeno is stated to be the greatest being and that no one can defeat him.
- So Super Shenron has a limit, it can't wish against Zeno.
- Zeno states Super Shenron can do anything (except beat Zeno).
- Super Shenron can still be Low 1-C as Zeno states he can do anything.
- Super Shenron is just a lower level of Low 1-C than Zeno is.
- Super Shenron is stated by Zeno and the Grand Priest to be capable of doing anything.
- So Super Shenron is limitless and can beat Zeno.
- Super Shenron is Low 1-C.
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It seems that yes, nothing is working right when we change the site, on my cell phone it's like paralyzed when I'm going to write.
Serlock_Holmes
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I think they were talking about the Neutral space.
Nullflowerblush
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Zen-Oh downgrade (DBS CRT)
The current speed justifications for Zen-Oh are invalid. His profile assumes that Future Zen-Oh erased Trunks' timeline with a energy blast that encompassed the Multiverse in a matter of seconds, but there was no blast involved in the destruction. He simply targeted the world and then removed it...
Found the thread.
Killerdrone123
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weren't people talking that hit could have manipulated the hypertimeline since wov doesn't have any space and time
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That's really funnyZen-Oh downgrade (DBS CRT)
The current speed justifications for Zen-Oh are invalid. His profile assumes that Future Zen-Oh erased Trunks' timeline with a energy blast that encompassed the Multiverse in a matter of seconds, but there was no blast involved in the destruction. He simply targeted the world and then removed it...vsbattles.com
Found the thread.
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I brought that up along with Neutral Space and others stated he was probably just manipulating the Grand Priest's time. Neutral Space still counts though. It exists outside of the 12 Universes (so outside of the Pendulum Rooms) and he manipulates spacetime.
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On a side note it's a shame Hit got shafted by the narrative powercreep, his design and abilities (at least in the anime) were excellent. Now U6 in general has pretty much been forgotten in canon DB.
Serlock_Holmes
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They were talking about Hit's ability functioning in the Neither space which would mean using the timeline's temporal dimension.
Nullflowerblush
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It is, innit? Everybody ignores problems like this on this Wiki, and when threads address them, they get ignored, too.
Killerdrone123
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Oh yes u6 vs u7 tournament yep this can work what are the counter arguments they could even bring that neutral zone has its own temporal dimension
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Angels appear to have a strong link with Time hax and Whis states in the manga that Hit's Time Skip is the same ability as his own time control, with Vados conflating Time Skip and Time Lag despite Hit treating them as completely separate abilities.
Assuming that can translate to Whis having Time Skip, Whis' hypothetical Time Skip would be 1,800x more powerful than Hit's Time Skip (180 second TS vs 0.1 second TS).
So I think Hit has a lot of potential left. He just needs to make his time hax more potent.
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Yes, I don't think this is against the rules, since Zen'ō himself uses his Ki to erase the entire timeline, which you can clearly see that scale, apart from other quotes, such as not being able to be defeated by anyone, as having the power to destroy anything, the gods tremble in fear of him, if you're going to try to demean something, do it directly, because we have several quotes against.
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it being an upgrade or not is really not on my concerns, again, if one wants to make the positive claim "it is part of the timeline" then one needs to prove that
my cellphone was bugging, my PC works better so it will not happen for the time being
i don't need to make any assumptions, it would only require it to be outside of the timeline, "where it could be" is already answered by "it would be outside of the timeline"
no one said anything about it being singular tho
i mean, it having no time or space is a unique thing, and the point is not that it is exclusive to the timeline
.....what do you mean?
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The dragon would be outside of any timeline, restoring universes within a timeline.
Range Low 1-C
Killerdrone123
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Bro it is easy to assume it is in timeline then outside then the situation would become that there is only one wov for the entire db cosmology
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Has anyone noticed this?
