All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

So I think Hit has a lot of potential left. He just needs to make his time hax more potent.

And there in lies one of the biggest issues of Shonen side characters and why I'm not holding my breath for Hit to return in the foreseeable future.

At least Piccolo got a well deserved power up (kinda wished it was more magic related tho).

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Guys, we have a disagreement

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Guys, we have a disagreement

Do you really think glass is serious?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Do you really think glass is serious?

I found, since he voted against the verse several times

 

[Omegabronic]

Okay...so Zeno and the Grand Priest both state Super Shenron can do anything. And your take is that includes defeating them when Zeno is stated to be unbeatable.

Sure. Super Shenron > Zeno.

that is what would have been inferred, i say that it falls under contradiction

You tried to argue against Low 1-C Super Shenron by bringing up Whis stating no one can defeat Zeno. Meaning you are trying to limit Super Shenron's abilities via the same statement. You are effectively arguing against yourself.

i am not arguing against Low 1-C Super Shenron, you are trying to say that he is bellow zeno, but the argument you are using also implies that he is superior

The part where Zeno, a timeline buster, states Super Shenron can grant anything?

if you use that then you can't use the "No one can beat Zeno" argument, as someone would be able to beat him

It doesn't have any problems. Either Super Shenron has a limit (Zeno) as you yourself argued (and I argued)

but isn't the basis of your argument that he doesn't have one aka he can do anything?

or he doesn't have a limit (as you also argued) and that makes him Low 1-C. Either way Super Shenron can do anything according to Zeno (a timeline buster) and 5D is an infinite tier of power, meaning Zeno can just be infinitely above Super Shenron while Super Shenron still being capable of timeline busting.

you can't simustaneously say that Super Shenron can do anything while saying that there is someone above him, it doesn't make sense

The only limit we know of is "Zeno is unbeatable." which doesn't debunk the idea that Super Shenron can timeline bust (As the timeline buster states Shenron can do anything)

one would set a limit making it so that he can't do anything, these two statements are contradictory to one another

and you tried arguing that limit shouldn't exist which would make it Low 1-C.

Zeno > (Can't defeat Zeno) Super Shenron > Baseline Low 1-C
(No limits) Super Shenron > Zeno > Baseline Low 1-C

i am arguing that for you to use one of these statements, you have to ignore the other, since they are contradictory to one another, it becomes circular scaling

 

[Omegabronic]

Bro it is easy to assume it is in timeline then outside then the situation would become that there is only one wov for the entire db cosmology

ok and?

 

[Killerdrone123]

only 30 mins remaining

 

[AwkguyDB]

REEEEEDDD KINGDOM

 

[Phsccarvalho]

only 30 mins remaining

Stop acting like Frieza.

Otherwise this will turn into 2 hours.

 

[Padaruyos]

I look forward to the shit storm happening tomorrow, but I'll have to sleep now, bye folks.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Zen'ō himself uses his Ki

According to ******* what?
According to who?
Ki materializes into energy blasts.
Zen-Oh remotely erases targets on a whim.
Explain to me where Ki comes in.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Omega calm down, we know how worried you are

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

According to ******* what?
According to who?
Ki materializes into energy blasts.
Zen-Oh remotely erases targets on a whim.
Explain to me where Ki comes in.

It looks like it was censored by Wiki

 

[Nullflowerblush]

What is going on with the pages?

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Do you really think glass is serious?

Speaking of grace period although it's not an official rule here (iirc), I believe it's common respect for users to wait awhile before making new CRTs for a verse (usually "debunks") that had major CRT recently go through to avoid burning out supporters and mods.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

DB update!!!

 

[Fezzih_007]

What is going on with the pages?

What you mean?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Every time I look, there are, like, three new pages within the span of five minutes. Are they shorter now?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Every time I look, there are, like, three new pages within the span of five minutes. Are they shorter now?

Null DB tier 1

 

[Nullflowerblush]

It was a yes or no question.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

You can shoot me, I made an unnecessary comment.

 

[Maizesoup]

Are they shorter now?

Yes. Forum went from 100 posts per page to 40.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The Forum has been getting screwed lately, eh?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Now it all makes sense, I felt like I was getting smaller and smaller

 

[RedReaper616]

Every time I look, there are, like, three new pages within the span of five minutes. Are they shorter now?

Yes, the Pages have gone from 100 Posts to 40.

2) I agree with Null. There seems to be this massive disconnect. Zeno is NOT physically powerful, nor is it EVER implied he uses Ki. He is the strongest because his HAX (disconnected from any level of typical power) exceeds ALL. Goku can punch, move, etc. higher than Zeno, but Zeno can erase anything and everything. No exceptions.

And according to Shin, Zeno CAN’T be defeated or killed. So he’s this unchanging unkillable super-destroyer child entity. There’s no UES involved, and any statements on Zeno’s power are in relation to his existence and existence erasure, not any standard level of power.

In that same vein, Super Shenron being able to do anything, while true (he even reversed/brought back Zeno’s victims, who were totally erased and removed from the cycle of reincarnation/life and death via having their souls absolutely annihilated), doesn’t mean much. At best I’d say he’d get a possibly.

 

[Omegabronic]

Omega calm down, we know how worried you are

did you...........did you just confused me with Null? dude, are you ok?

 

[Brogeefrong]

what if i made a vs thread, and put it on hold and then discuss when the dbh are ready

 

[Omegabronic]

Every time I look, there are, like, three new pages within the span of five minutes. Are they shorter now?

yeah, 40 messages per page

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

did you...........did you just confused me with Null? dude, are you ok?

Really was your name appeared here and left unintentionally, Omega

 

[Phsccarvalho]

what if i made a vs thread, and put it on hold and then discuss when the dbh are ready

Dude, don't do that.

There is still a lot to be seen, possible downgrades, etc.

Doing a VS now will not attract anything good.

And it would probably divide the attention of DB supporters.

So don't do that.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Really, now we're only going to apply those who scale with timeline, for example Zen'ō, Arale, and other things will be discussed later.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

It's funny how Geor and Pein can't come up with a single line that fits their weird pattern of "time has to go in different/orthogonal directions" "A statement about 4D snapshot is needed"

Fortunately, there are some staff members who do not agree on a standard that does not fit into any verse.

 

[Skarfz]

Y'all cant wait one second and y'all already posting DBH against every single character on this wiki.

 

[RedReaper616]

…
We said NO VERSUS THREADS-

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

This thread aged like wine.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

…
We said NO VERSUS THREADS-

Everyone knows that one day or the same day that this is applied, someone will try to do a downgrade. Or when the staff crt will be completed.

But for some reason they want to make Matches.

I'll be surprised if they listen and don't match.

 

[AwkguyDB]

This thread aged like wine.

Hasty knew all along

 

[Skarfz]

It's funny how Geor and Pein can't come up with a single line that fits their weird pattern of "time has to go in different/orthogonal directions" "A statement about 4D snapshot is needed"

Fortunately, there are some staff members who do not agree on a standard that does not fit into any verse.

Literally no verse will qualify with these goofy standards lol.
Writers care about storytelling, not a bunch of mathematics buster edgelords

 

[Huesito88]

Literally no verse will qualify with these goofy standards lol.
Writers care about storytelling, not a bunch of mathematics buster edgelords

But Suggversal

 

[Vzearr]

Can it be added now ?