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[Phsccarvalho]

Nowadays it is practically impossible to find the Daizenshuu to read somewhere, so the veracity of the scan is debatable, in addition to the fact that, according to a person who supposedly owns a Daizenshuu, it only says this on page 72 of volume 4

In the end it's all, what Daizeenshuu "says" is that there is a barrier that separates the Other world and the living universe, but it doesn't associate it with dimensional barriers or even mentions other dimensional barriers

Honestly, I don't like how almost everything we have from "Daizenshuu" is because x guy or website said so.

We don't know if he just took the text that was in Daizenshuu and translated it or made his own text based on what he saw and what he knows about the series.

We also have little or no raw of important pages.

This opens up many loopholes with the new rule that material is no longer accessible.

According to the new rules, it could very well be argued that there is no way to verify the source material, as the raw or the translation over the Daizenshuu scan (and not just text), is no longer usable material.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

There really isn’t an issue since it’s still officially information

It’s just generally frowned upon and Japanese information is usually preferred as it’s the original source material language.

But overall, if there is no contradiction provided by the information presented then it be accepted

That’s pretty much how Grade 3 multiplier got accepted

That's why I told Everything12 that being Japanese doesn't matter. At least for DB so far.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Nowadays it is practically impossible to find the Daizenshuu to read somewhere

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:0

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

What I mean is: Gotenks and Super Buu distort the dimension itself, not a supposed dimensional barrier

That's kinda what Piccolo literally says

Nowadays it is practically impossible to find the Daizenshuu to read somewhere, so the veracity of the scan is debatable, in addition to the fact that, according to a person who supposedly owns a Daizenshuu, it only says this on page 72 of volume 4

In the end it's all, what Daizeenshuu "says" is that there is a barrier that separates the Other world and the living universe, but it doesn't associate it with dimensional barriers or even mentions other dimensional barriers

I mean I dont own a daizenshuu but I'll see what I can since my friend Zenkai knows a lot about guide stuff

We already have non-Japanese but official DB stuff etc. accepted on the wiki.

Like the super muscular SSJ multiplier that I forgot the name of.

So I don't see a problem with not being Japanese.

It has to be official information licensed by Toei or Shueisha which is why the el manga legendario is usable

That's why I told Everything12 that being Japanese doesn't matter. At least for DB so far.

I dont think this is a strictly db thing

 

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5-D Goku is crazy...

 

[RedReaper616]

This means since manga GP is above zeno, Low 1-C, conceptual manip type 1, existence erasure. Omg

We already covered this.

Grand Priest is not above Zeno.

He is the the most powerful FIGHTER, not most powerful BEING.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

Don't know about that, but maybe Whis could have 5D time hax. Didn't he rewind Gowasu's death from U7?

Wasn't he in u10 when he did the rewinding? Then sped to the Kaioshin realm to save gowasu afterwards?

 

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Interesting, but, from what i see, there is nothing relative to the universe in any "page 72" from the links

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

5-D Goku is crazy...

This scan is one of the classics of DB powerscalling

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

Oh god cm type 1 and 5d hax yall gotta stop tryna cook please

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Oh god cm type 1 and 5d hax yall gotta stop tryna cook please

This. You guys are just gonna mess up everything istg.

 

[ZetaMarishi]

Im'ma be honest, we already got a meal, y'all need to get out of the kitchen for a while.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

That's kinda what Piccolo literally says

I mean I dont own a daizenshuu but I'll see what I can since my friend Zenkai knows a lot about guide stuff

So.... We are talking about something we agree?

It has to be official information licensed by Toei or Shueisha which is why the el manga legendario is usable

I know a place where there is an complete and readable version of the El Manga Legendario, what make use information from it very easy

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

So.... We are talking about something we agree?

I know a place where there is an complete and readable version of the El Manga Legendario, what make use information from it very easy

If only we had access to the complete chouzenshuu raws too...

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

If only we had access to the complete chouzenshuu raws too...

True, it would make the "Daizenshuu scans" very easy to check

 

[Electronic74947]

why can’t I cook 5D hit

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

why can’t I cook 5D hit

Because it's wrong, get rekt.

 

[RedReaper616]

I personally feel like trying to slap 5-D L1-C on anyone other than Zeno and Arale for canon is just wrong. Zamasu did venture across the Timelines, but that’s range. And Hit’s powers do affect areas only bound by the Hypertimeline, but he does all of his Time Skip abilities via his own personal time dimension he brings with him. We see this when he fights Goku in the rematch and Goku literally shatters it. Him using it in those areas isn’t a feat for hax—It’s just proof he can use the shiz anywhere.

Super Shenron is at most circumstantial, and the Angels are a maybe—Because Whis does seemly affect the Hypertimeline with his Do-Over. But even that seems like jumping the shark until we have more evidence.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

why can’t I cook 5D hit

BECAUSE THE BEST COOK IN THE WORLD WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED!!!

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

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[Nullflowerblush]

Interesting, but, from what i see, there is nothing relative to the universe in any "page 72" from the links

The page count for the Daizenshuu 4 listing is behind by four pages.

"DBワールドは独特の世界観を持っている。4つのエリアに分かれた大宇宙、大宇宙を見守るあの世あの世と宇宙の周りをめぐる界王神界。目を見張る数々の世界を紹介しよう。", or "The DB World has a unique worldview: a macrocosm divided into four areas, an afterlife that watches over the macrocosm, and a world of Supreme Kai that surrounds the universe. Let us introduce you to some of the many spectacular worlds."

What you are looking for is page 44 of the Daizenshuu 7, which reads: "大世ドラゴンボールの世界では、宇宙はあの世の下に位置し、不思議な文様の刻まれた壁によって密閉されている。", or "In the world of the Dragon Ball, the universe is located below the afterlife and is hermetically sealed by a wall inscribed with strange patterns."

密閉 = "airtight", which is a synonym for "hermetic".

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

I personally feel like trying to slap 5-D L1-C on anyone other than Zeno and Arale for canon is just wrong. Zamasu did venture across the Timelines, but that’s range. And Hit’s powers do affect areas only bound by the Hypertimeline, but he does all of his Time Skip abilities via his own personal time dimension he brings with him. We see this when he fights Goku in the rematch and Goku literally shatters it. Him using it in those areas isn’t a feat for hax—It’s just proof he can use the shiz anywhere.

Super Shenron is at most circumstantial, and the Angels are a maybe—Because Whis does seemly affect the Hypertimeline with his Do-Over. But even that seems like jumping the shark until we have more evidence.

Firstly, only Zeno and arale scale to low 1c,

As for the bolded, the issue is that hit used his basic time skip, which allows him take and store time in his own Dimension, and he used it in the neutrak zone, if he was using it on the hypertimeline axis, it means he was storing the higher temporal energy from there

When he faced Goku in the rematch, he simply didn't skip, but used the time he collected tonight and attack

We don't have concrete proof that whis' do-over spans the hypertimeline yet, aside from scaling from hit since he said hit's abilities are similar to his

 

[Electronic74947]

BECAUSE THE BEST COOK IN THE WORLD WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED!!!

HOW TF WOULD MY GOAT BE DISAPPOINTED IN 5D DRAGONBALL

 

[Electronic74947]

Also, since Ariel is getting her 5D hax back, wouldn’t beerus’s 5D existence erasure come back like how it was originally

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Also, since Ariel is getting her 5D hax back, wouldn’t beerus’s 5D existence erasure come back like how it was originally

That's gonna be recognized as an outlier.

 

[Electronic74947]

That's gonna be recognized as an outlier.

Iirc it was accepted that beerus scales, it’s just that Ariel got downgraded

 

[Electronic74947]

Let be try to extract as much as I can from the 5D timeline bro

 

[TiltedFN]

We already covered this.

Grand Priest is not above Zeno.

He is the the most powerful FIGHTER, not most powerful BEING.

i mean, in the manga it's like verbatim stated, and im pretty sure zeno being above GP was like authority.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

That's gonna be recognized as an outlier.

Yes.


Anyways,Hit has 0 proof of affecting the Hypertimeline. So y'all stop it, thanks.

 

[TiltedFN]

Also, since Ariel is getting her 5D hax back, wouldn’t beerus’s 5D existence erasure come back like how it was originally

oh god not again, please no.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

That's good information, thanks!

What you are looking for is page 44 of the Daizenshuu 7, which reads: "大世ドラゴンボールの世界では、宇宙はあの世の下に位置し、不思議な文様の刻まれた壁によって密閉されている。", or "In the world of the Dragon Ball, the universe is located below the afterlife and is hermetically sealed by a wall inscribed with strange patterns."

密閉 = "airtight", which is a synonym for "hermetic".

Couldn't Daizenshuu be referring to Sudoroku Space?

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

HOW TF WOULD MY GOAT BE DISAPPOINTED IN 5D DRAGONBALL

YOU WILL COOK PRODUCT ONLY 90% PURE STUFF!!!

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Couldn't Daizenshuu be referring to Sudoroku Space?

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

OK, thanks

 

[Nullflowerblush]

No, Buu and SSJ3 Gotenks literally break through them, and the Daizenshuu mentions them it’s not something exclusive to either continuity.

i just wanted to point this out.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

About time room, does it exist in the manga?

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

I'll tell them.

Please do. We should do our best to refor....I mean inform that person!

 

[RedReaper616]

i mean, in the manga it's like verbatim stated, and im pretty sure zeno being above GP was like authority.

No, I already covered this pages ago. When people refer to Zeno’s power and his relevance to others, it’s specifically the fact he’s an unkillable god being that can erase ANYTHING—No exceptions.

He is the MOST POWERFUL BEING IN EXISTENCE. This is reiterated several times.

HOWEVER, as stated by Beerus and Whis, he is not a FIGHTER. He is not fast or strong in the conventional sense, nor is it EVER implied he uses Ki. We see this quite clearly in the ToP, where he was a non-combatant who couldn’t observe the fights, and relied on a keyed up IPad. He cannot hit hard, fire lasers, or move quickly, but he is still the most powerful.

That quite literally means that when Whis said his father was the “most powerful” he meant as a conventional fighter.

This is further established when they talk about Ultra Instinct—Goku’s at the bottom of the latter, Whis is higher, and his father above him. Simply put—The Grand Priest is the best fighter/warrior. The Omni King is the most powerful creature.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

i just wanted to point this out.

It wont let me open it for some reason I dunno why