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i suppose you are right, i tried to argue this once, nearly everyone was against it when i said it
that.......is actually a good question
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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
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Magicomethkuon
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For a more modest suggestion, sometimes I wonder if Goku should also have resistance to Mind Control. Vegeta resisted Babidi with willpower, ki or a combination of both.
Goku has displayed extraordinary willpower since childhood (this ability is indexed already), and his control of ki would now be much greater than anything in the Buu saga. What do you guys think?
Goku has displayed extraordinary willpower since childhood (this ability is indexed already), and his control of ki would now be much greater than anything in the Buu saga. What do you guys think?
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wasn't that more pride than anything?
Accelerated_Evolution
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There is an definitive explanation for why Vegeta resisted Babidi's mind control? Depending on the explanation, the same resistance can be applied to Goku
Magicomethkuon
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I think some of Babidi's quotes talk about his willpower. But I'd need to look at the whole sequence of events again and I don't have access to DB raws. It is another reason why I'm asking here first, because I think it would make it easier to fact check without running the risk of mistranslation.
In these forums at least, the accepted reason on Vegeta's profile says that it was done through sheer willpower.
Accelerated_Evolution
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I also remember Babidi talking something like this, but i will need to confirm, but if this is the canon reason, "resistance to mind control" would also apply to Goku
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how do we quantify that Goku has as much Willpower as Vegeta?
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Work on and release a complete cosmology blog. You will all be hurting yourselves without one.
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....that doesn't answer what i asked, again, how can we quantify Willpower?
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Hasty12345
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I wouldn't be surprised if Goku had Supernatural Willpower but I doubt the Kaio-Ken suffices. Surviving the Ultra Divine Water seems like a much better argument.
For context the two DB characters with Supernatural Willpower are Vegeta for breaking mind control and Freeza for staying sane in Hell while paralysed for around 20 years.
For context the two DB characters with Supernatural Willpower are Vegeta for breaking mind control and Freeza for staying sane in Hell while paralysed for around 20 years.
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Copy Vegeta even resisted Commenson's mind control as with his willpower, which was apparently once said to be capable of creating massive armies over his control to invade planets.
Accelerated_Evolution
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They are both "comparable" in willpower, this is something that don´t has a way to directly explain, it´s just look how the characters are portrayed in comparison to each other
Accelerated_Evolution
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Me too, but i posted this because it's what's on his profile
Magicomethkuon
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This and that. Also Supernatural Willpower is already accepted on Goku's profile for that reason.
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how do we know that?
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Oh that's strange, I thought he didn't have it for some reason. Yeah I definitely find the Kaio-Ken qualifying to be a bit strange but I don't care enough to raise a fuss.
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Goku should reasonably scale to Vegeta's mental resistance but that requires, guess what, reasoning, and that's not really what we do here when it comes to Dragon Ball
Case in point
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Magicomethkuon
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Well, by comparison of feats. Goku already has supernatural willpower accepted in his profile. Vegeta's accepted means of resisting Babidi's mind control was sheer willpower. Unless Vegeta's mental resistance or Babidi's magic of mind control turns out to be layered, I think it's not a logical leap to say that the feats of each are at least comparable (I am in fact leaning towards Goku's feats being better than Vegeta's since the water straight up kills and that sounds like a step up from mind control). If I remember it right, one of Korin's quotes also state that the water had magical properties, yet another reason to compare the feats unless this last part a mistranslation.
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Oh I fully agree, but this site didn't even give Jiren resistance to EE despite reasonably scaling above people who could resist it. I don't know of that's been fixed or not, but you get the idea.
Magicomethkuon
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Wait so by that logic GoD Toppo stomps Jiren.................
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used to be like that lolWait so by that logic GoD Toppo stomps Jiren.................
Accelerated_Evolution
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Jiren has resistance to existence erasure in his profile, so it has been fixed
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This is more on the willpower component of ki rather than "greater ki power meaning it should scale". I'm thinking they're on to something
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I've never understood this.
Pre-Tournament base Goku could withstand the Hakai. Should every contestant worth their salt be given Resistance, too?
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i can't remember, there is nothing there
Accelerated_Evolution
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I hate when the image don´t works
Accelerated_Evolution
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The image is working now
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Piccolo also thinks Babidi wouldn't be able to control someone as powerful as Dabura, and Kibito explains that it's because he controls them through evil, there's also Vegeta letting Babidi control him by his own will which would probably mean he wouldn't be controlled if he didn't want to
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....sorry bro, still isn't
Accelerated_Evolution
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I deleted the post
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So what's the verdict on the db encyclopedia?
Killerdrone123
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If it is licensed then we should make a crt to get it accepted
Killerdrone123
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No the one which says wov has no concept of space and time
Accelerated_Evolution
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How it affect the cosmology?
Killerdrone123
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Might give gp cm type 1 for adding time in wov since it has no concept of space and time
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Well I'd assume it's obvious that something licenced for a game and one for the manga/anime that provides information are different cases
