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If we are to accept hakai as a 5d hax it should include all gods of destruction
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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
- Thread starter Warren_Valion
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I mean, I don't want to comment on what happens in 1v1 for now, but why don't we accept that "mighties foe" and similar statements made for jiren refer to zamasu? at least in values such as ap/dura he should scale above zamasu
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This would just be in terms of 5D resistance tho, not offensive hax potency, we've already seen differences in potency of hakai, Frieza against sidra's hakai that was meant to kill vs Toppo's hakai that was in a tournament where killing was unnecessary.
They would get resistance, not potency, only Zeno and GP gets scales from his hakai, Zeno having a layered EE potency due to Zamasu being resistance to Beerus'EE, GP just scaling higher but no layers (anime GP doesn't have the feat of erasing an angel so he doesn't get that)
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Infinite Zamasu with his 4D attacks destroys all characters and Gods of destruction
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Hyperbole this Jiren thing
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Meh, I think that the examples about frieza you presented are more related to limited resistance or something like that
As stated in the profs I just posted, the e.e. of all gods of destruction are equivalent to each other
Eventually all we'll have is 5D e.e. (I don't know how many times I have to repeat this) and it will be the default hax for all gods of destruction.
Zamasu + zeno and gp's e.e. are completely irrelevant to what we're talking about.
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I personally do not think that something that has been stated "many times" and touted so many times is a metaphor, if we are discussing whether or not to give jiren a scale on beerus through these statements, this situation is clearly retconned in the manga. but I think that at least those statements are enough for jiren to scale obove zamasu in terms of ap/dura.
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I don't think so, sidra wanted them dead, toppo didn't, Frieza wasn't even bothered by sidra's, he only struggled to compress it. But either way, I don't think, for now anyway, other GoDs would be allowed to scale, I have no issue with this being the case tho
But the GoDs themselves aren't all of equal ability, and this will affect the potency of their hakai, I feel this is what may be used to reject it
Hopefully so
I know
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Doesn't Jiren already scale above Zamasu in terms of AP? Infinite Zamasu doesn't get an AP buff
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Statements can only be used if the evidence and feats back it up, Beerus being a moving goalpost pretty much disproves Jiren power statements.
At best DB will get 5D hax/range (for those not on Zeno's or Arale's level).
IZ is pretty much carried by his hax anyway.
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The intention is really unimportant here because sidra clearly shared "a small part" of the energy of destruction there and was belittling them
I think the e.e. of all gods of destruction should scale by default if this 5D hakai thingy is accepted, as it is clearly stated as equivalent in the current profiles.
I also don't think that "not all of them have the same ability" would obviously affect this situation, as it is only relevant for e.e.
Yeah, and again, yeah, he's not gonna get an ap buff or anything like that.
StarShooter80
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So uhhhhh
Serlock_Holmes
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?So uhhhhh
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1)What I defended was already 5d hax from the very beginning, nothing more
2)I made it clear that this statement would not place jiren over beerus "because it was retconned in the manga" but it should still be enough to put him over zamasu.
Killerdrone123
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Are you claiming that zamasu can destroy all timelines
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Killerdrone123
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By the looks of it he isI hope he's not claiming anything like that
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This is quite funny because in the DBS movie Broly is declared the strongest enemy, Goku had to use fusion and at the end Goku said that Broly is on par with Beerus, this is easily a mental gymnastics that Toei does every time, I don't take anything literally until I've shown some fight and won
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Zamasu threatening to destroy all timelines
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It's not funny, the only thing it shows is that db is constantly being retconned, and the thing that broly can be of equal power to beerus is just a speculation produced by goku and clearly retconned in the manga.
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Fair enough, between the anime and manga it's kinda funny seeing statements been made about a power-up or character being near or equal to Beerus (GoDs in general) only to be disproved in the next arc.
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Haha, we're talking about dragon ball after all
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Indeed, although history is reset from scratch every time
Killerdrone123
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Hey this made me think why would goku make such a claim that he is going to destroy all the parallel worlds let's say he uses his clones to destroy one macrocosm at a time wouldn't he need to destroy the overarching timeline at one point or just destroying all the macrocosm would make the the entire timeline become unstable and crumble on its own
Killerdrone123
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When parallel worlds are used in db it always means parallel timelines
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When we consider the whole arc, what he's referring to is "timelines" not other macrocosms.
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So uhhhhh
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Too much speculation plus like we just established in the above replies Goku isn't exactly a reliable character for measuring power and scope. It'll be different if someone like Whis made such statements while adding context to them.
Killerdrone123
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Oh yes this could simply mean that he can kill all the mortals in other timelines
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I absolutely agree that the fact that the statement was made by goku when the context of the statement was not even known makes all comments on this statement baseless assumptions
Killerdrone123
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True goku could be using hyperbole would it be more reliable if someone like gowasu or shin said it
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So, of course, it should be more reliable than an explanation by "goku", but it would still be a rather inadequate explanation in itself, and we can come up with many interpretations of what they are referring to
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I mean we've still haven't seen Zalama (creator of the SDBs) yet an entire arc was dedicated to a new set of dragon balls, a new dragon and its creator and from what I've seen most casual fans have already forgotten about it and just want to see more of Black Frieza.
Tl;dr: Dragonball could do with an up to date lorebook.
Tl;dr: Dragonball could do with an up to date lorebook.
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I fainted again when Vieth said that the Dark Ki works on a conceptual level.
Killerdrone123
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And we are already stomping mcu we just need plot haxs at this moment to be strongest 5d
If we get to 6d and have plot hax can we beat 6d fate characters or they have more layers than us
Killerdrone123
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F-u-c-k that company we need to mail toriyama to find out if zamsu fused with the timeline or not
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Fate is pretty BS with it's layers tbh, so I wouldn't know that said you'll be served layers of humble pie once you enter chinaman territory.
Just focus on maintaining the ratings, polishing the profiles and keeping the verse standards clean.
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Actually, shouldn’t Jiren have a non-combat applicable resistance to limited power null with his meditation? Since it allows him to levitate/“fly” in the WoV, where flight via Ki physically was not possible.
