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Princess seems to have Immortality type 8 as well, she only seems to die if you stab her in the heart. She can even be alive as only a heart at the end of one of the routes if I remember correctly.Anyways as a start I will leave a basic draft for the Princess, people are free to edit it if they have worthwhile additionsTllmbrg/SandboxSlayThePrincess
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No, type 8 gives you other types of immortalities, in this case it gives type 2 (she doesn't need anything other than her heart to exist as "The Princess").I feel like that'd be an extension of the type 2 no?
Or you remove the latter and put in only 8
8: Reliant Immortality: The character gets benefited by 1 or more other types of Immortality as long as a certain being, object, place, and/or concept or more may grant them those benefits, losing them otherwise.
There is no Tower v1 or Tower v2, you should really not change her actual names like the Shifting Mound, let’s call Tower v2 The Apotheosis because that’s her most strongest vessel. There are two versions of The Grey, one is a dark veil ghost that manipulates water and the other is a white veil ghost.
Hi loldecided to actually post for first time because of this
Hi Niko
I wasn't really aware that's how that version is called ripThere is no Tower v1 or Tower v2, you should really not change her actual names like the Shifting Mound, let’s call Tower v2 The Apotheosis because that’s her most strongest vessel.
I amunsure if to include it as keys, since idk if they'd be different from the Specter by that muchThere are two versions of The Grey, one is a dark veil ghost that manipulates water and the other is a white veil ghost.
From what I've seen, The Spectre is the weakest out of all ghostly forms, she can only possess and turn intangible and tangible.I wasn't really aware that's how that version is called rip
I amunsure if to include it as keys, since idk if they'd be different from the Specter by that much
Idk about her being the weakest, she can phase your heart out of your chest. Also, idk if they really teleport, I feel like it's easier to assume they can go invisible if anythingFrom what I've seen, The Spectre is the weakest out of all ghostly forms, she can only possess and turn intangible and tangible.
While The Grey (Cold) and The Grey (Burn) can only seem to appear and disappear or teleport around, since they were mostly tangible with the pristine blade in their chests, and have the ability to move object (via opening and closing door without touching them), in addition for The Grey (Cold) to able to float and seemingly have the ability to summon large pool of water. (They Grey (Burn) couldn't summon the flames, she was throwing the torch to light the cabin on fire.)
And as for Nightmare, she can bend space and reality inside the cabin, and I might miss a lot of things so here's the semi-full routes of The Nightmare's Chapters. It seems her Base form can also fly as well if you lock her up in the basement instead of doing anything.
As much as I want to add them, I can't spend another 3 hours doing all the runs or watch another full playthrough video over and over anymore, I spent 60 hours watching youtubers playing the game and listening to my favorite soundtrack and now I'm trying to take a break haha.Add it yourself
I would say that Adversary would just have further type 2 immortality rather than it applying to base
I wanna point out that The Princess can indeed revive/survive with her heart being stabbed, as seen in The Adversary when The Hero (Stubborn) thinks she's still alive.
This may actually be a power for the Stubborn (and Player/voices in general) where their perception of the Princess changes her. For example, a similar case of the Princess (temporarily) reviving where killing the Princess and then doubting she's dead because "what if it's a trick" results in her still being alive and having such a trick (hidden weapon), an event that otherwise doesn't happen (because she was dead and also unarmed before you doubted it).
I wanna point out that The Princess can indeed revive/survive with her heart being stabbed, as seen in The Adversary when The Hero (Stubborn) thinks she's still alive.
The one princess with the multi-cabin is said to be of infinite variation but is still contained by the Shifting Mound. Which is probably the best evidence for 2-A.I think there's evidence enough for Multiverse+ rating.
We already give base princess that immortality as isThe Razor Princess should have Transformation as well as Immortality Type 2, as she will live as long as she has a heart
Eh, I don't feel like the difference between the Multitude and the Shifting Mound is great enough for different keys. Does Multitude even have feats besides grabbing the Princess at the end of a run?By the way, I feel like the Multitude (Just the hands) should be given its own Key. Clearly it, and what she finally becomes (The Shifting Mound) are different. She says it herself that she is incomplete.
I mean apparently, she weave's new worlds. And the fact she can grab and assimilate princesses like Apotheosis, who she still considered a fragmented concept compared to her is pretty big. Especially considering Apotheosis was going to rewrite reality, get rid of meaning, etc.Eh, I don't feel like the difference between the Multitude and the Shifting Mound is great enough for different keys. Does Multitude even have feats besides grabbing the Princess at the end of a run?
Yeah I guess that makes sense, doesn't seem like the most useful key to have however.I mean apparently, she weave's new worlds. And the fact she can grab and assimilate princesses like Apotheosis, who she still considered a fragmented concept compared to her is pretty big. Especially considering Apotheosis was going to rewrite reality, get rid of meaning, etc.
Besides that, her existence is different than the Shifting Mound. She only becomes this concept that connects all things, once she absorbs all the other versions of herself.
Well the three big things it gets are Apotheosis, the Wild (who somehow shattered a portion of the construct) and the Stranger which is an infinite variation of Princesses.Especially considering Apotheosis was going to rewrite reality, get rid of meaning, etc.
True, I just think it's weird to put its incomplete weakened form in the same key as its complete form. Especially since the two of them have such a clear gap in power, with the multitude saying it's a pond compared to the ocean it can be as the Shifting Mound.But the multitude are just the weird mass of bodies that make up the Shifting Mounds bottom portion, so I don't think it's really needed tiering wise.
Its more along the lines of "Is the form worth having" rather than anything. Though if you want to do an "At least Low 2-C" tier I would be against it, I just think it's a bit redundant.Especially since the two of them have such a clear gap in power, with the multitude saying it's a pond compared to the ocean it can be as the Shifting Mound.
That's fair. I'm still collecting feats, so if there isn't enough to bother to differentiate them then combining them probably is for the best.Its more along the lines of "Is the form worth having" rather than anything. Though if you want to do an "At least Low 2-C" tier I would be against it, I just think it's a bit redundant.
That's fair. I'm still collecting feats, so if there isn't enough to bother to differentiate them then combining them probably is for the best
I could try? Can anyone get me an image of them at full height?Does anyone think they can calculate the Apothethis's height?
Could be a low end for her physical stats via Large Size stat charts/calcs
I definitely consider the Narrator a separate entity that effects narrative in his own way.Should the Narrator/Echo have a profile? They technically have feats, both positive (manipulating the world and the player character via narration) and negative (being overpowered by the player/Princess).
I am aware, I'm asking if it's worth making a profile for him.I definitely consider the Narrator a separate entity that effects narrative in his own way.
He has apparent power during the normal routes so he could still be used in VS matches. It would be difficult to fight him normally because he should have nonexistent physiology (type 1). He's the "echo" of a dead man, not even referred to as a "soul" or "ghost".I thought the Narrator had no power. They're just hijacking the abilities of the Long Night with their echo. Considering weaker Princesses can overpower him as well I don't think he's that strong on his own.
Though he has meme tier intelligence for somehow not only trapping God in a multiverse construct but splitting God into two halves.
The shot of her standing where the cabin used to be doesn't seem to have anything to scale off of (everything got blown away) but we might be able to approximate a size based on this image using the size of an average woman's hand as a measuring stick:Does anyone think they can calculate the Apothethis's height?
Could be a low end for her physical stats via Large Size stat charts/calcs
Should the Narrator in that case just be a key in the Long Night's profile (or whatever we name the PC)?He has apparent power during the normal routes so he could still be used in VS matches. It would be difficult to fight him normally because he should have non-existent physiology (type 1).
I think that's how it works as well.I thought the Narrator had no power. They're just hijacking the abilities of the Long Night with their echo.