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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

ProfectusInfinity said:
It’s stated that since stuff like Kai Kai and instant transmission are outside the subspace’s power, Goku would be vaguely left to “wander in between dimensions forever.” That statement is honestly very loaded, and can be interpreted a number of ways.

1. You could wander forever and be stuck interacting with dimension after dimension (space-times in this context). That could make the Macrocosm 2-A.

2. Wandering “between dimensions” could refer to how the Sugoroku space is an area between space-times, and you could wander through it forever. In other words, infinite Sugoroku space (though I think it’s stated to be earth-sized in the Chouzenshuu, so that may be contradictory).

3. If “wandering between dimensions forever” means the dimensions are spaced apart infinitely, that could make the Macrocosm Low 1-C via the 5th axis specifically being infinite.

I was honestly thinking of doing a huge upgrade using that statement, but it’s too open-ended to be accepted for any concrete scaling.
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bro..
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Do you know Subspace? The dimension that does not have the concepts of space and time.

Couldn't this give something to Zeno (for being able to destroy timelines) or IZ (for being able to merge with the universe, and probably merge with this dimension)?

I don't know what it could be.
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In the translation you mentioned, there are things written with interdimensional, do these mentions really amount to anything?

It is a different dimensional world that does not belong to any part of the world, and includes the "Room of Spirit and Time" in the Temple of God and the interdimensional "Sugoroku Space". The concept of time is different in the "Room of Spirit and Time," and a year here corresponds to one day in the outside world. There are no living creatures that inhabit this room.
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In the "Sugoroku Space" where Goku wanders into, every action is governed by the rules of Sugoroku. 30,000 consecutive wins will allow him to escape, but if he cheats or loses, he will die. Although no one is supposed to inhabit this space, the space raccoon dogs Sue Goro and Sue Kogoro are trapped there. They cheated and the space collapsed, but Goku saved them and they escaped to the Kaioshin world
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This means the "Room of Spirit and Time" and "Sugoroku Space" are inside a dimension called 【Subspace】which is devoid of the concepts of time and space
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LuffyRuffy46307 said:
How would you explain Goku and Vegeta fighting with all their might in the time room and even mentioning that it wouldn't break
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I also want it to be known this isn’t consistent across mediums, anyway, as Anime Vegeta broke it by just powering up in the Black Arc.

So this claim is both inconsistent and the size scans directly contradict the Original Series, where Goku directly says it’s Earth sized.

Point being, that’s a no-go.
 
Goku as always saying what he really knows, if only it were Piccolo or Kami Sama I would understand, but Goku never even went to the end or anything like that.
 
Vietthai96 said:
That is one thing, we not even sure if those Spanish stamp???? get accepted in the first place, so to be blunt, kinda waste our energy over this. If it is easy to grant him CM hax, i already went for it no need for all the Q&A ngl
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It says Toei at the bottom, I believe it's valid, since in the anime it also shows us that the void filled with nothing eternal and without space-time, in any case it doesn't go against the work

Try and never give up
 
ProfectusInfinity said:
The subspace is the space in between dimensions, which means it’s above time to an insignificant degree automatically (as opposed to being vaguely outside time).
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In addition, the subspace and teleportation zone exist under the same plane, and the teleportation zone was stated to be transcendent of time.
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I saw ssjryu1 saying something similar to this and it seemed a bit over the top, but looking at it now I see sense in it.
 
Nah, try and never give up is fun and all, but the thing we trying for should be reasonable and logical
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
How would you explain Goku and Vegeta fighting with all their might in the time room and even mentioning that it wouldn't break
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To me this doesn't contradict the idea that Time Chambers are Earth-sized, it just means they are Earth-sized structures with durability superior to 3 2-C power. If we can get the manga upgraded to 6 2-C from the Broly movie then you could argue it has durability superior to 6 2-C power from enduring Merus and Goku training for months.

The main thing this means would be that Time Chambers should be treated as structures superior to a Macrocosm in durability. So put it this way, if you can blow up a Time Chamber, that should automatically make you 3 2-C. If you can destroy 12 Time Chambers that should be a feat superior to destroying the 12 Macrocosms.

We know there are 3 Time Chambers in Universe 7 (Earth, Merus and Freeza) so if we ever get a statement of busting the Macrocosm and "the dimensions outside of the universe" that should automatically be considered a 12 2-C feat (by destroying the Macrocosm as well as the 3 confirmed Time Chambers when each Time Chamber has durability superior to the macrocosm).

Macrocosm = 3x Universal (Living World, Afterlife, World of Kais)
Time Chamber = At least 3x Universal
Macrocosm + Time Chamber (Earth) + Time Chamber (Merus) + Time Chamber (Freeza) = At least 12x Universal
 
CryoTheMayo said:
To me this doesn't contradict the idea that Time Chambers are Earth-sized, it just means they are Earth-sized structures with durability superior to 3 2-C power. If we can get the manga upgraded to 6 2-C from the Broly movie then you could argue it has durability superior to 6 2-C power from enduring Merus and Goku training for months.

The main thing this means would be that Time Chambers should be treated as structures superior to a Macrocosm in durability. So put it this way, if you can blow up a Time Chamber, that should automatically make you 3 2-C. If you can destroy 12 Time Chambers that should be a feat superior to destroying the 12 Macrocosms.

We know there are 3 Time Chambers in Universe 7 (Earth, Merus and Freeza) so if we ever get a statement of busting the Macrocosm and "the dimensions outside of the universe" that should automatically be considered a 12 2-C feat (by destroying the Macrocosm as well as the 3 confirmed Time Chambers when each Time Chamber has durability superior to the macrocosm).

Macrocosm = 3x Universal (Living World, Afterlife, World of Kais)
Time Chamber = At least 3x Universal
Macrocosm + Time Chamber (Earth) + Time Chamber (Merus) + Time Chamber (Freeza) = At least 12x Universal
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That sounds good, when are we going to do it?
 
CryoTheMayo said:
To me this doesn't contradict the idea that Time Chambers are Earth-sized, it just means they are Earth-sized structures with durability superior to 3 2-C power. If we can get the manga upgraded to 6 2-C from the Broly movie then you could argue it has durability superior to 6 2-C power from enduring Merus and Goku training for months.

The main thing this means would be that Time Chambers should be treated as structures superior to a Macrocosm in durability. So put it this way, if you can blow up a Time Chamber, that should automatically make you 3 2-C. If you can destroy 12 Time Chambers that should be a feat superior to destroying the 12 Macrocosms.

We know there are 3 Time Chambers in Universe 7 (Earth, Merus and Freeza) so if we ever get a statement of busting the Macrocosm and "the dimensions outside of the universe" that should automatically be considered a 12 2-C feat (by destroying the Macrocosm as well as the 3 confirmed Time Chambers when each Time Chamber has durability superior to the macrocosm).

Macrocosm = 3x Universal (Living World, Afterlife, World of Kais)
Time Chamber = At least 3x Universal
Macrocosm + Time Chamber (Earth) + Time Chamber (Merus) + Time Chamber (Freeza) = At least 12x Universal
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I'm pretty sure that's not how it works it could have 3x Universal durability, but currently how we rate Universe is because of spatial axis's that are a unquantified distance. You could at most (though I could be wrong) argue destroying anyone of these time chambers is one more additional Low 2-C feat (on top of every other Low 2-C structures) as it'd fulfill the criteria of the distance (which is the important part here) and also having a above 2-C durability (that act in place of a universal size even though it doesn't have it)
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
That sounds good, when are we going to do it?
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Do what? The Time Chambers having Macrocosm+ durability? No point. No one has actually destroyed on onscreen. I guess there is the implication Vegeta did it in the DBS anime but that doesn't really do anything for him. You could argue it expands Zeno's power a bit but to Low 1-C an extra few Macrocosm-level structures is meaningless.

If you mean upgrading the manga to 6 2-C I'm not looking to do that anytime soon.

Huesito88 said:
I'm pretty sure that's not how it works it could have 3x Universal durability, but currently how we rate Universe is because of spatial axis's that are a unquantified distance. You could at most (though I could be wrong) argue destroying anyone of these time chambers is one more additional Low 2-C feat (on top of every other Low 2-C structures) as it'd fulfill the criteria of the distance (which is the important part here) and also having a above 2-C durability (that act in place of a universal size even though it doesn't have it)
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The Time Chambers exist outside of the universe an unquantifiable distance away, just like any other universe. If you take the Subspace statements into account then that reinforces that idea. The only thing restricting the idea is that the Time Chambers themselves are planet-sized but I frankly don't see the issue. Your power still has to cross unquantifiable distances between dimensions to bust structures that have universal+ durability.

It doesn't really matter what I think though. It depends on how the VS Wiki standards would take it.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
Do what? The Time Chambers having Macrocosm+ durability? No point. No one has actually destroyed on onscreen. I guess there is the implication Vegeta did it in the DBS anime but that doesn't really do anything for him. You could argue it expands Zeno's power a bit but to Low 1-C an extra few Macrocosm-level structures is meaningless.

If you mean upgrading the manga to 6 2-C I'm not looking to do that anytime soon.


The Time Chambers exist outside of the universe an unquantifiable distance away, just like any other universe. If you take the Subspace statements into account then that reinforces that idea. The only thing restricting the idea is that the Time Chambers themselves are planet-sized but I frankly don't see the issue. Your power still has to cross unquantifiable distances between dimensions to bust structures that have universal+ durability.

It doesn't really matter what I think though. It depends on how the VS Wiki standards would take it.
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"Your power still has to cross unquantifiable distances between dimensions to bust structures that have universal+ durability. "

Not disputing that just your idea of it counting as 3x Universe rather than just one additional universe per chamber. Though I'm more confident on my take, though still not completely, on if it would get accepted in a thread.
 
Huesito88 said:
"Your power still has to cross unquantifiable distances between dimensions to bust structures that have universal+ durability. "

Not disputing that just your idea of it counting as 3x Universe rather than just one additional universe per chamber. Though I'm more confident on my take, though still not completely, on if it would get accepted in a thread.
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I suppose I see your idea there. Still, that can be used to upgrade the manga to 6 2-C if we ever get a feat or statement of threatening dimensions 'outside of the universe'. 9 2-C if we could get the manga to 6 2-C from the Broly movie.

Of course for all we know it will be revealed there are like thousands of Time Chambers which would suddenly make destroying all of them a 2-B feat.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
To me this doesn't contradict the idea that Time Chambers are Earth-sized, it just means they are Earth-sized structures with durability superior to 3 2-C power. If we can get the manga upgraded to 6 2-C from the Broly movie then you could argue it has durability superior to 6 2-C power from enduring Merus and Goku training for months.

The main thing this means would be that Time Chambers should be treated as structures superior to a Macrocosm in durability. So put it this way, if you can blow up a Time Chamber, that should automatically make you 3 2-C. If you can destroy 12 Time Chambers that should be a feat superior to destroying the 12 Macrocosms.

We know there are 3 Time Chambers in Universe 7 (Earth, Merus and Freeza) so if we ever get a statement of busting the Macrocosm and "the dimensions outside of the universe" that should automatically be considered a 12 2-C feat (by destroying the Macrocosm as well as the 3 confirmed Time Chambers when each Time Chamber has durability superior to the macrocosm).

Macrocosm = 3x Universal (Living World, Afterlife, World of Kais)
Time Chamber = At least 3x Universal
Macrocosm + Time Chamber (Earth) + Time Chamber (Merus) + Time Chamber (Freeza) = At least 12x Universal
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I highly doubt it since the RoSaT is a place between dimensions of the macrocosm inside the subspace. It’s most likely referring to how they can let loose without destroying or putting anyone in danger. Such as when they start to affect the terrain around them when they fight on earth. I’m pretty sure in the Broly movie it’s stated that Vegeta and Goku can let loose and fight as hard and however many times they wanted because they were like in an area with no people, and they were fighting in the water. So I would take this statement like the one in the Broly Movie.
 
TheGodOfICE777 said:
I highly doubt it since the RoSaT is a place between dimensions of the macrocosm inside the subspace. It’s most likely referring to how they can let loose without destroying or putting anyone in danger. Such as when they start to affect the terrain around them when they fight on earth. I’m pretty sure in the Broly movie it’s stated that Vegeta and Goku can let loose and fight as hard and however many times they wanted because they were like in an area with no people, and they were fighting in the water. So I would take this statement like the one in the Broly Movie.
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I'm too lazy to check so I'm going to assume you're correct. In which case, yes the statement comes into question.
 
TheGodOfICE777 said:
I briefly found it too lazy to check Japanese version though but here 1:13
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I don't personally think that's equivalent to Goku sparring in Blue and saying "this place isn't gonna break if we go on a rampage". If it were Goku saying it himself, instead of Bulma, I'd consider it a much better contradiction of the manga statement.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
People think that by lacking a concept it means superior, although that's not true.
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What? Bro that's so wrong. If there are concepts of space and time in a certain place, then that place is bounded by dimensionality in nature, even if it's 0D. On the other hand having no concepts at all it means that existence of dimensions in nature is impossible, making the realm in question abstract. If you're able to destroy something that is abstract by your raw AP then that's outerversal.
 
Killerdrone123 said:
Not gonna lie it is for the first time I am seeing a guy with ayanokoji profile pic wanking db otherwise in any other media I go I always see them downplaying the heck out of db you will hear them say shit like goku is multi galaxy at max
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The same here, I also don't understand why he's talking a little nervous to me lol
 
ProfectusInfinity said:
It’s stated that since stuff like Kai Kai and instant transmission are outside the subspace’s power, Goku would be vaguely left to “wander in between dimensions forever.” That statement is honestly very loaded, and can be interpreted a number of ways.

1. You could wander forever and be stuck interacting with dimension after dimension (space-times in this context). That could make the Macrocosm 2-A.

2. Wandering “between dimensions” could refer to how the Sugoroku space is an area between space-times, and you could wander through it forever. In other words, infinite Sugoroku space (though I think it’s stated to be earth-sized in the Chouzenshuu, so that may be contradictory).

3. If “wandering between dimensions forever” means the dimensions are spaced apart infinitely, that could make the Macrocosm Low 1-C via the 5th axis specifically being infinite.

I was honestly thinking of doing a huge upgrade using that statement, but it’s too open-ended to be accepted for any concrete scaling.
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COOK
I think 2-A macrocosms would be fire, what would that do for everyone if that was the case?
 
AwkguyDB said:
COOK
I think 2-A macrocosms would be fire, what would that do for everyone if that was the case?
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I'm dying to try something like this, I think with several quotes, and Koyama's own with this one, we can do something quite interesting regarding cosmology
 
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