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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

It's right here, although my searcher is faulty
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God Zamasu Mid Godly regeneration removal

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/God_Zamasu_(DBS_Manga) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Regeneration Mid-Godly: The ability to regenerate from the complete erasure of body, mind, and soul. Wiki standard states characters needs to be completely erased & Regenerate on body soul and mind but...
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I found it by looking on your profile where the business of the mind was accepted
 
omegabronic said:
What is the proof of that btw?
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It’s stated that the soul includes memories and shapes them I have the scans somewhere, but iirc it’s stated that memories get removed and evil cleansed from a soul after death during the Buu saga before Vegeta does his sacrifice and asks if he’d see goku and keep his body
 
TheGodOfICE777 said:
It’s stated that the soul includes memories and shapes them I have the scans somewhere, but iirc it’s stated that memories get removed and evil cleansed from a soul after death during the Buu saga before Vegeta does his sacrifice and asks if he’d see goku and keep his body
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souls have memory, but so does a body, it doesn't mean that destroying a soul destroys the mind as well by default
 
omegabronic said:
souls have memory, but so does a body, it doesn't mean that destroying a soul destroys the mind as well by default
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Not really, unless you’re talking about the brain. The mind essentially is just what makes you think and be able to recollect or perceive things. Memories and the mind are linked as having a mind allows for memories.
 
Nothing too big
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King Yemma an important change in your profile

During chapter 467 of the Dragon Ball manga, we are shown that Yemama can erase the memories of souls It is this is confirmed by himself, he left Vegeta's entire spirit without any traces of change in him Memory Manipulation or existential erasure ( I don't know exactly how it is used here and...
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XXBenShapiroXx said:
Alright let's go through all this bit by bit since there is a lot wrong here.

The 'oh i understand that simple isn't bad but villains are bad because they are simple' really wasn't a great start. As for why calling Dragon Ball generic is ridiculous? It fostered a majority of shounen anime's most popular tropes, and even back in the 1980's Dragon Ball still had its own unique and wacky identity.

While side characters not being relevant is a fair knock, the only fair knock you make, the story as a whole was about the pursuit of happiness, and these characters found their happiness in several ways. Krillin got married and had a child and eventually got back into martial arts, Yamcha got a baller baseball career, Tien is now teaching his own school, I mean they moved on with their lives. I would like to see them get relevance again, most fans would.

Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, Piccolo, they all have a vast array of development, Vegeta and Piccolo explore redemption and forgiveness, Trunks has his hope storyline, and Gohan and Goku both have nature vs nurture stories. Besides, a character doesn't exactly need to have development to be good, take King Kai or Beerus or Whis.

Now, Buu Saga. SSJ3 was a plot device that wasn't meant to actually do anything because the time of one person saving everyone was long gone, no one person was gonna defeat Buu. Goku wanted a successor and threw Gotenks and Gohan at Buu, only for Buu to throw his sucessors back at him. Gohan didn't get shafted, the entire point of the Cell Saga was that he hates fighting because he's been traumatized as a child and these outbursts of anger are the defensive mechanic-isms of a scared child. Goku told Gohan to beat Cell, then go be a scholar.

So like, there isn't a whole lot of ground for Gohan got shafted in the arc when his failure came down to already established flaws he had as a fighter. The most you got was Toriyama going back to Goku as a protagonist, which I think told a much better story due to him realizing it wasn't about one person but everyone working together, ya know, that why he used the spirit bomb, why he needed energy from earth and from those irrelevant characters.

If you have any critics of the Buu Saga with actual narrative grounds I'd like to hear them, because so far they seem to just stem from misunderstanding the story.

Things like Goten and Trunks are points I agree with, just about everyone wants them do something but beyond that I don't see any meat to the rest of those statements. Dragon Ball is the story of Goku, characters come and go throughout the story. And there is no 'writers', mostly just Toriyama and sometimes an editor.

Villains?

Uh, Vegeta was a saiyan elite looking to establish himself as the strongest while secretly vying for the dragon balls to wish for immortality to overthrow Frieza, Frieza is a galatic ruler who acts one part tryant one part buisnessman, Cell wants the perfect fight because of the saiyan cells within him as well as the fact his creator and everything related to that have been destroyed leaving him with literally no other purpose than the want a perfect fight. Buu is really the only 'ounga bounga blow up shit' villian, and even then he constantly switches from naive to sadistic to cunning to black air force. There aren't a ton of villains in Super, just opponents like Beerus, Hit, and Jiren. Zamasu loved the universe and wanted to cull the mortals from it so they'd stop ruining it. Moro literally feeds off planets to sustain himself, he's evil yeah, he is also the encapsulation of nearly every past villain, so he was written like that on purpose. Granolah wasn't a villain but he wanted to take revenge upon the saiyans and whatnot, and the heaters wanted to do the same, plus get rid of Frieza too, which is why that arc was about the cycle of violence and pride and how it manifests.

So uhh, if you have a point here beyond reductive framing, that'd be nice.

So far, your reason for thinking Dragon Ball lacks depth comes from not understanding the story it was trying to tell. From the line of examples you've given, you seem to prefer shows that are upfront about their complexity and depth, which is all well and good, but to say Dragon Ball has none of that after misunderstanding several core narrative threads from the shows later arcs like Cell and Buu just isn't a strong argument for Dragon Ball to not have any of the 'depth' you look for. Dragon Ball's depth isn't in your face, which if anything is more subtly than just about any of the shows you mentioned, not to saw they aren't all fantastic pieces of ficton.

The other stuff about the humor and the fights and the rating you'd give it are personal opinions, you are entitled to them, but everything else just isn't an accurate representation of Dragon Ball's story.
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Bro you literally misunderstood almost everything I said and you seem to be frustrated for no reason lol. Calm down bud, not gonna bother talking about it anymore since you seem to be offended.

XXBenShapiroXx said:
Just because Dragon Ball doesn't go 'ooh look at how complex and multi-layered I am, look at my mature thematic story telling' doesn't mean it doesn't have complexity or depth. Different interpretations of a story is all well and good until that interpretation is as reductive as possible.
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I literally said this....
 
RinneItachi said:
Does Goku solo League of Legends though? I think not.
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He ain't getting past the Kindred, that's for sure....Goku's cheated Death plenty of times but what happens when Death starts hunting him down to permanently end his life?

**** considering that DB has a number of methods to come back from the dead, I'm now imagining a scenario where the personification of Death gets sick and tired of being cheated of his dues and decides to go after them personally. It'd be sick as ****, that's for sure.
 
I'm not even sure how to respond to that. 'You misunderstood everything I said', except I broke down exactly why a lot of the assessments made weren't accurate to Dragon Ball's story. If you wanna construe me as offended for engaging in a discussion, that's your prerogative, but it's dishonest to frame disagreement as frustration.
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
He ain't getting past the Kindred, that's for sure....Goku's cheated Death plenty of times but what happens when Death starts hunting him down to permanently end his life?

** considering that DB has a number of methods to come back from the dead, I'm now imagining a scenario where the personification of Death gets sick and tired of being cheated of his dues and decides to go after them personally. It'd be sick as **, that's for sure.
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Aurelion might win but not by wiki standards. Using skin lines, Goku isn't getting past all the Dark Cosmic characters who could kill him with hax easily. Nagakaborous stomps no-diff. Kindred obviously neg-diff's they are literally just the end of life.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
I'm not even sure how to respond to that. 'You misunderstood everything I said', except I broke down exactly why a lot of the assessments made weren't accurate to Dragon Ball's story. If you wanna construe me as offended for engaging in a discussion, that's your prerogative, but it's dishonest to frame disagreement as frustration.
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If you're not mad then are you simply unable to frame your tone in an aggressive, final, or offended way? You state everything you say as objective fact, leave no room for "if you disagree" or anything of the sort, and a lot of the time you just say I'm flat out wrong about something without giving reason. Not saying that's your entire response but most of it. I don't see much consideration about my points a lot of the time and you seem very grounded in your beliefs so I don't see the reason in furthering the discussion.
 
RinneItachi said:
If you're not mad then are you simply unable to frame your tone in an aggressive, final, or offended way? You state everything you say as objective fact, leave no room for "if you disagree" or anything of the sort, and a lot of the time you just say I'm flat out wrong about something without giving reason. Not saying that's your entire response but most of it. I don't see much consideration about my points a lot of the time and you seem very grounded in your beliefs so I don't see the reason in furthering the discussion.
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I gave reasoning and examples for every single one of my points. I mean it wasn't like you were being all that receptive to my assertions beforehand either.

I said Dragon Ball holds up, you said why, I explained why, you responded with criticisms, and I responded with why I don't think those criticisms hold up.

I said that some of your points were things I agree with, and others were subjective opinion so I didn't touch them.
 
RinneItachi said:
If you're not mad then are you simply unable to frame your tone in an aggressive, final, or offended way? You state everything you say as objective fact, leave no room for "if you disagree" or anything of the sort, and a lot of the time you just say I'm flat out wrong about something without giving reason. Not saying that's your entire response but most of it. I don't see much consideration about my points a lot of the time and you seem very grounded in your beliefs so I don't see the reason in furthering the discussion.
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I always tell him to moderate our comments, but he always ends up getting too excited, lol
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Really, there are characters that are pure abstraction in this game and immortality
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Ye. Now that I think about it he don't even reach the celestial tier characters. He stops at the Darkin or the Aspect's cause he legit just can't kill them and they have the hax necessary to beat him. Especially the Darkin, even Hakai wouldn't work.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
I gave reasoning and examples for every single one of my points. I mean it wasn't like you were being all that receptive to my assertions beforehand either.

I said Dragon Ball holds up, you said why, I explained why, you responded with criticisms, and I responded with why I don't think those criticisms hold up.

I said that some of your points were things I agree with, and others were subjective opinion so I didn't touch them.
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Ok.
 
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