All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[RinneItachi]

I will create an articel about SCP-X-191 that would downgrade SCP cosmology to Planetary at best by stating everything above Planetary is not canon.

Screw the everything is Canon, that's why DC get downgraded.

If everything is canon, nothing is canon. There is no legitimate canon from a general perspective, not even a "main canon", and saying it all exists at once, is ludicrous, to the point of simply being a laughable remark. Even on the wiki itself, there is a page which explains that in some stories the Foundation can be as small as a tiny government agency limited to even as small as just one Site that barely dabbles in anything related to the supernatural, among practically infinite other possible versions.

The only thing that's canon is what a person chooses to believe as their particular version of the canon. Making the SCP verse borderline unscaleable in an overall sense. The only proper way to do it is to make everything individual. Take only a specific authors specifically demonstrated interpretations and portrayal of characters and stories, and ignore everything outside of what that author writes. An author can write a story where the most iconic SCP's like 173 and 682 don't exist if they want. It's literally a writer playground.

The SCP-3812 author hates the concept of powerscaling. Man's literally had a mental breakdown on Twitter because people kept bothering him about how 3812 compares to other verses.

 

[NishizumiShiho]

The SCP-3812 author hates the concept of powerscaling. Man's literally had a mental breakdown on Twitter because people kept bothering him about how 3812 compares to other verses.

This is why you shouldn't make a character ridiculously overpowered like that. Transcending narrative and keep evolving to no end.

 

[RinneItachi]

This is why you shouldn't make a character ridiculously overpowered like that. Transcending narrative and keep evolving to no end.

The worst thing is that the SCP-3812 author's interpretation of 3812 is without a doubt VASTLY different from ours.

We take statements from stories he had literally nothing to do with and apply 3812 to them. We also don't agree with the fundamental idea that the character was made with. djKaktus wrote 3812 to be able to transcend literally, a n y t h i n g, I'm not saying that means he should be considered omnipotent, but like, the author genuinely wrote him that way and has said it again numerous times. But obv due to NLF and reality-fiction scaling and such we can't take it seriously. Not to mention, djKaktus doesn't know about the tiering system or even a lot of tiering system ideas in general, and the ideas within the tiering system used for his characters would just confuse him or make him laugh I'd imagine. All of this creates a gap that makes it impossible for us to properly demonstrate how strong 3812 was meant to be in djKaktus writing, and besides which he doesn't care anyways. I could talk about this for a while lol.

Anyways, yeah the fact we treat different stories by diff authors as applying to each other is silly. djKaktus said during his mental breakdown that if we want Goku to be stronger than 3812 then he is, and vice versa, cause it doesn't matter and it's just a story. 1-A Goku upgrade when? Like let's just on g remove SCP mythos from the wiki it doesn't work in this environment.

 

[NishizumiShiho]

The worst thing is that the SCP-3812 author's interpretation of 3812 is without a doubt VASTLY different from ours.

We take statements from stories he had literally nothing to do with and apply 3812 to them. We also don't agree with the fundamental idea that the character was made with. djKaktus wrote 3812 to be able to transcend literally, a n y t h i n g, I'm not saying that means he should be considered omnipotent, but like, the author genuinely wrote him that way and has said it again numerous times. But obv due to NLF and such we can't take it seriously. This alone creates a gap that makes it impossible for us to properly demonstrate how strong 3812 was meant to be. I could talk about this for a while lol.

Anyways, yeah the fact we treat different stories by diff authors as applying to each other is silly. djKaktus said during his mental breakdown that if we want Goku to be stronger than 3812 then he is, and vice versa, cause it doesn't matter and it's just a story. 1-A Goku upgrade when? Like let's just on g remove SCP mythos from the wiki it doesn't work in this environment.

HIGH 1-A GOKU WHEN? WORD OF GOD IS ABSOLUTE.

Lol, yeah. 3812 transcends anything is no limit fallacy and that's no good. It's like saying Hakai can erase Zen'ō despite Zen'ō possibly have resistance against literally everything in Dragon Ball.

 

[RinneItachi]

HIGH 1-A GOKU WHEN? WORD OF GOD IS ABSOLUTE.

Lol, yeah. 3812 transcends anything is no limit fallacy and that's no good. It's like saying Hakai can erase Zen'ō despite Zen'ō possibly have resistance against literally everything in Dragon Ball.

Exactly, which is why scaling 3812 can't work because the idea his author made him with literally contradicts the idea of NLF. The author never, ever, wrote 3812 as just transcending a narrative portrayed as a "representation of our reality". djKaktus, or I should say, Ben, wrote 3812 actually transcending our reality, which Ben has restated numerous times outside of the article. Iirc he also said 3812>Swann's Proposal for the same reason. At that point, WHY would we take 3812 seriously? This is the same reason that Suggsverse isn't on the wiki, main diff being that djKaktus only had an interest in making a cool and compelling character that was OP to suit the main idea of the character, not to be OP for the sake of it.

 

[NishizumiShiho]

djKaktus only had an interest in making a cool and compelling character that was OP to suit the main idea of the character, not to be OP for the sake of it.

His idea of 'OP' is crazy ass. Though, I can hack 3812 and erased it out of internet, does that made me Infinite layers beyond tier 0?/s

If only Goku hax wasn't so broken, i could made a stats equalize match between UT CC Goku vs the Big Three like Luffy, Naruto, and Ichigo.

 

[RinneItachi]

His idea of 'OP' is crazy ass. Though, I can hack 3812 and erased it out of internet, does that made me Infinite layers beyond tier 0?/s

If only Goku hax wasn't so broken, i could made a stats equalize match between UT CC Goku vs the Big Three like Luffy, Naruto, and Ichigo.

DBS Goku stats equalized?

 

[NishizumiShiho]

DBS Goku stats equalized?

DBS Goku is near haxless, though. His only hax I can think off is Hakai which is great, but not enough. Meanwhile, if I used Universe Tree Goku, even stats equalize, it's still a mismatch.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

The worst thing is that the SCP-3812 author's interpretation of 3812 is without a doubt VASTLY different from ours.

We take statements from stories he had literally nothing to do with and apply 3812 to them. We also don't agree with the fundamental idea that the character was made with. djKaktus wrote 3812 to be able to transcend literally, a n y t h i n g, I'm not saying that means he should be considered omnipotent, but like, the author genuinely wrote him that way and has said it again numerous times. But obv due to NLF and reality-fiction scaling and such we can't take it seriously. Not to mention, djKaktus doesn't know about the tiering system or even a lot of tiering system ideas in general, and the ideas within the tiering system used for his characters would just confuse him or make him laugh I'd imagine. All of this creates a gap that makes it impossible for us to properly demonstrate how strong 3812 was meant to be in djKaktus writing, and besides which he doesn't care anyways. I could talk about this for a while lol.

Anyways, yeah the fact we treat different stories by diff authors as applying to each other is silly. djKaktus said during his mental breakdown that if we want Goku to be stronger than 3812 then he is, and vice versa, cause it doesn't matter and it's just a story. 1-A Goku upgrade when? Like let's just on g remove SCP mythos from the wiki it doesn't work in this environment.

Really puts into perspective that we argue about some drawn figures .

 

[NishizumiShiho]

Really puts into perspective that we argue about some drawn figures .

Probably, most people in here have too much time in their hand.


That would include me.

 

[NishizumiShiho]

Anyway, I legit debate with someone that thought DBS Goku is the strongest Goku we have and that DBS Goku = CC Goku, even though they have major key difference.

 

[NishizumiShiho]

Do anyone in here know what or who the hell is Seraphim Goku or Ultra Vegito? Those name always appear in my YouTube recommendation.

 

[Hasty12345]

His idea of 'OP' is crazy ass. Though, I can hack 3812 and erased it out of internet, does that made me Infinite layers beyond tier 0?/s

FBI are calling, they want to offer you a job

 

[NishizumiShiho]

FBI are calling, they want to offer you a job

Tell them to piss off.

 

[Vietthai96]

Anyway, I legit debate with someone that thought DBS Goku is the strongest Goku we have and that DBS Goku = CC Goku, even though they have major key difference.

No one will know the difference, if they do not actually research Heroes and just know it on surface level

 

[RinneItachi]

Do anyone in here know what or who the hell is Seraphim Goku or Ultra Vegito? Those name always appear in my YouTube recommendation.

Seraphim Goku is an old meme iirc, Ultra Vegito is just vague lol. But probably means Ultra Ego Vegito in modern day.

 

[NishizumiShiho]

No one will know the difference, if they do not actually research Heroes and just know it on surface level

I thought so. These guys would unironically believe in Outer Dragon Ball. Well, if you highball DB, you can get to Outer.

But, my personal opinion on how big composite DB cosmology is around 12-13D, Low 1-B or 1-B

 

[RinneItachi]

Probably, most people in here have too much time in their hand.


That would include me.

I don't argue on here anymore cause I have a job these days lol. And a family I need to help.

 

[NishizumiShiho]

Seraphim Goku is an old meme iirc, Ultra Vegito is just vague lol. But probably means Ultra Ego Vegito in modern day.

I thought it was from a fanmade manga called Dragon Ball UV, the authornis CallMeARJ if I'm not wrong. I heard this Seraphim Goku or whatever he's can one shot CC Goku.

 

[RinneItachi]

I thought it was from a fanmade manga called Dragon Ball UV, the authornis CallMeARJ if I'm not wrong. I heard this Seraphim Goku or whatever he's can one shot CC Goku.

Meh it's just people being cringe lol.

 

[NishizumiShiho]

Meh it's just people being cringe lol.

Probably. I still think no fanfics Dragon Ball is as enternating as Dragon Ball Heroes and DBH manga is actual great. (At least for me)

It also has great art, although, it's pretty rough on early but it gets better. Especially when Chaos Ball absorbs literally everything, the two spread panel and Time Nest get eaten by Chaos Ball is amazing.

 

[RinneItachi]

I love Dragon Ball Multiverse. It's been going for like literally over a decade and it's still running strong.

 

[NishizumiShiho]

I love Dragon Ball Multiverse. It's been going for like literally over a decade and it's still running strong.

I don't like Bra at all, completely turned me off from the story. She can't just get away with what she had done, especially traumatizing Pan.

 

[RinneItachi]

I don't like Bra at all, completely turned me off from the story. She can't just get away with what she had done, especially traumatizing Pan.

You mean Bulla? Or was it Bra? Ah I can't remember. Anyways yeah she's insufferable I hate it when that character is even on screen ngl. Vegito is also OOC af. But otherwise I love it and it's iconic.

 

[RinneItachi]

Anyways can we all agree that while Death from Puss in Boots is great, he doesn't compare to Kindred, the Eternal Hunters in terms of being aspects of death represented in a story?

(This is Dragon Ball related)

 

[NishizumiShiho]

You mean Bulla? Or was it Bra? Ah I can't remember. Anyways yeah she's insufferable I hate it when that character is even on screen ngl. Vegito is also OOC af. But otherwise I love it and it's iconic.

Yeah, Bulla or Bra. Vegito is also OOC to the point it physically hurt me. The two alone turned me off from the story.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Anyways can we all agree that while Death from Puss in Boots is great, he doesn't compare to Kindred, the Eternal Hunters in terms of being aspects of death represented in a story?

(This is Dragon Ball related)

I can see what you're trying to say, but I think it might be for different reasons. Death from Puss in Boots is an utterly delightful and intimidating antagonist, one that can give me even chills, but I think the Kindred are a step up above Death because I think they're more imposing and terrifying for one specific reason: Unlike Death from Puss in Boots, you can't fend the Kindred when they're set on hunting you down.

Basically, while Death from Puss in Boots is physical in existence to be fended off if the individual is capable enough, the Kindred are far too abstract in comparison and nothing will be able to stop them from taking your life....you either embrace the arrows of the Lamb, or be relentlessly chased and consumed by the jaws of the Wolf. So yeah, I can understand what you mean when you say the Kindred are better at being aspects of Death still not on Death from Discworld's level but close enough

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

What do you think about the Z Warriors gaining type 1 immortality?

 

[Padaruyos]

Who is the strongest Canon character that Hyourinjutsu's version of Baby Vegito Black can defeat

 

[NishizumiShiho]

Who is the strongest Canon character that Hyourinjutsu's version of Baby Vegito Black can defeat

How strong is his version of Goku Black and Baby Vegeta?

 

[Padaruyos]

How strong is his version of Goku Black and Baby Vegeta?

Baby Vegeta is just straight from GT with no alterations but his version of Goku Black has traveled through timelines to get Zenkais and apparently easily killed Vegeta, Trunks, and Goku (future Trunks arc) once he got back to Trunks's timeline. He can also use Super Saiyan 4 and also Super Saiyan Rose Kaioken x20, which is something BVB can use as well. Goku Black can also use a limited version of his Kai healing, and by spamming Kaioken and healing himself over and over he can get huge Zenkai boosts in a short period of time without even needing mortal injury.

Assuming GT Beerus isn't all that different from DBS Beerus, Baby Vegito Black can hold his own against Beerus at full power, and with Kaioken he completely dominated Beerus, forcing him to use his incomplete UI.

He also has access to the Time Ring, which also allows him to teleport himself slightly forward in time to dodge attacks.

 

[NishizumiShiho]

Baby Vegeta is just straight from GT with no alterations but his version of Goku Black has traveled through timelines to get Zenkais and apparently easily killed Vegeta, Trunks, and Goku (future Trunks arc) once he got back to Trunks's timeline. He can also use Super Saiyan 4 and also Super Saiyan Rose Kaioken x20, which is something BVB can use as well. Goku Black can also use a limited version of his Kai healing, and by spamming Kaioken and healing himself over and over he can get huge Zenkai boosts in a short period of time without even needing mortal injury.

Assuming GT Beerus isn't all that different from DBS Beerus, Baby Vegito Black can hold his own against Beerus at full power, and with Kaioken he completely dominated Beerus, forcing him to use his incomplete UI.

He also has access to the Time Ring, which also allows him to teleport himself slightly forward in time to dodge attacks.

If that's the case, probably Pre-Zenkai ToP SSB Goku. Anything like SSBE Vegeta or Post-Zenkai SSBKK 20× Goku or someone with similar power would defeat this Black Vegito.

 

[SirAlex09]

The SCP-3812 author hates the concept of powerscaling. Man's literally had a mental breakdown on Twitter because people kept bothering him about how 3812 compares to other verses.

HAHAHAHAHAH just imagine you are a passionate writer who is living his dream and some randoms ask you on Twitter whether your character can blow up universes XDDD

 

[NishizumiShiho]

HAHAHAHAHAH just imagine you are a passionate writer who is living his dream and some randoms ask you on Twitter whether your character can blow up universes XDDD

I would be annoyed, ngl.

 

[SirAlex09]

I would be annoyed, ngl.

I remember the time when a DBS Toei episode writer was asked on Twitter whether Goku can blow up the universe and he was like "Nope" and the other dude started bringing up Kaioken multipliers. The writer was so confused to the point where he simply replied: " Even if he could, he wouldn't do it" lol

 

[NishizumiShiho]

I remember the time when a DBS Toei episode writer was asked on Twitter whether Goku can blow up the universe and he was like "Nope" and the other dude started bringing up Kaioken multipliers. The writer was so confused to the point where he simply replied: " Even if he could, he wouldn't do it" lol

Lmao, 3-B Goku.

 

[Killerdrone123]

I remember the time when a DBS Toei episode writer was asked on Twitter whether Goku can blow up the universe and he was like "Nope" and the other dude started bringing up Kaioken multipliers. The writer was so confused to the point where he simply replied: " Even if he could, he wouldn't do it" lol

Why would anyone bring up kaioken multipliers like what

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

I remember the time when a DBS Toei episode writer was asked on Twitter whether Goku can blow up the universe and he was like "Nope" and the other dude started bringing up Kaioken multipliers. The writer was so confused to the point where he simply replied: " Even if he could, he wouldn't do it" lol

I need to see that, please lmao

 

[SirAlex09]

Why would anyone bring up kaioken multipliers like what

Basically he said that during the clash, Goku needed 3 hits together with Beerus and since he can use Blue and Kaioken times 10 , he upscales from that and can do it solo.

 

[Killerdrone123]

Basically he said that during the clash, Goku needed 3 hits together with Beerus and since he can use Blue and Kaioken times 10 , he upscales from that and can do it solo.

Lol on one side we have koyama who buffs the cosmology and on other side we have this guy who is like "goku ain't uni cope hard"