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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

NishizumiShiho said:
That's just being so strong. I need an actual technique like Zamasu dimensional cracks or portal or Janemba hax.

Janemba has great hax and he's not sticking like sore thumb proved hax can be incorporated in DBS.

This can't work in crossverse vs debates obviously, otherwise it would be just nlf.
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I think it’s amazingly funny people think Hax doesn’t work in DB when like Cell, Buu, Hit, and Black rely on both hax and raw power. I mean. Hell, Dragon Ball started on the concept of gimmicky (haxy) opponents for the gang to fight, like Super Stink or the Devilmite Beam.
 
RedReaper said:
I think it’s amazingly funny people think Hax doesn’t work in DB when like Cell, Buu, Hit, and Black rely on both hax and raw power. I mean. Hell, Dragon Ball started on the concept of gimmicky (haxy) opponents for the gang to fight, like Super Stink or the Devilmite Beam.
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I knew they exist, but that's mostly for major villain while the Heroes do have hax, they rarely used it
 
I think that even Freeza, enemies didn't need hax, since there was the whole issue that Freeza and his soldiers only cared about raw power and not technique.

That's why they were dependent on scouts and so on.

I think Cell should have more, considering that he has the DNA of several, it would be interesting if he also had that ki absorption.

Babibi and Boo had hax.

Boo was a completely unconventional enemy. It could absorb others, turn them into chocolate and had good enough regeneration that raw power alone wasn't necessary to defeat it (at least until the Genki Dama)

Beerus has destruction energy that gives him a lot of power.

Hit has a wide variety of hax such as time skip, time stop, the time cage, that pocket dimension

Black has the scythe to cut through spacetime + clones, and Zamasu has that broken immortality.

Jiren is the only one who is practically pure power.

I'm satisfied with the skills. What I wanted more from Dragon Ball would be more martial arts, to accentuate that more.

Goku is a great martial artist, but that practically doesn't matter in fights. The same thing happened in DBZ.

Goku was a martial artist his entire life, and in fights against Vegeta, Frieza, etc. this practically doesn't matter.

Everyone is a super martial artist even without any training and the fights barely have much focus on martial arts.

I wanted to see in DBS how through pure martial art, Goku overcomes a stronger opponent.

It could have happened and I don't remember it.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I think that even Freeza, enemies didn't need hax, since there was the whole issue that Freeza and his soldiers only cared about raw power and not technique.

That's why they were dependent on scouts and so on.

I think Cell should have more, considering that he has the DNA of several, it would be interesting if he also had that ki absorption.

Babibi and Boo had hax.

Boo was a completely unconventional enemy. It could absorb others, turn them into chocolate and had good enough regeneration that raw power alone wasn't necessary to defeat it (at least until the Genki Dama)

Beerus has destruction energy that gives him a lot of power.

Hit has a wide variety of hax such as time skip, time stop, the time cage, that pocket dimension

Black has the scythe to cut through spacetime + clones, and Zamasu has that broken immortality.

Jiren is the only one who is practically pure power.

I'm satisfied with the skills. What I wanted more from Dragon Ball would be more martial arts, to accentuate that more.

Goku is a great martial artist, but that practically doesn't matter in fights. The same thing happened in DBZ.

Goku was a martial artist his entire life, and in fights against Vegeta, Frieza, etc. this practically doesn't matter.

Everyone is a super martial artist even without any training and the fights barely have much focus on martial arts.

I wanted to see in DBS how through pure martial art, Goku overcomes a stronger opponent.

It could have happened and I don't remember it.
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Jiren is the only dude i can think that purely rely on raw power. Frieza too i guess
 
Jeune_fou said:
I'd like to go back to what that person said 1 or 2 page ago about namek being at least 8.8 millions km long (it's actually a lowball because it's the distance between him (Frieza) and someone, not the actual size of the planet so unless he is at the other side compared to that person, namek is likely even bigger than that. But if we pretend 8.8 millions KM is what you'd need to cross to get to the other side of planet namek it means Namek's radius is 8.8 millions KM (assuming the device does not consider circumference and does it "as the crow flies").

Earth's radius is 6 371.0097714 km
if Namek's radious is 8 829 401 km it's 1385.8715206553 times bigger than the earth's radius so in terms of Volume, Namek is a "sphere" that can contain 2 661 760 100 times planet Earth. Which makes it 2 000 (since the shun can contain a bit more than 1 200 000 planet Earth in volume) times more voluminous than the sun. If we estimate the sun is a small star then since planet namek is 2 000 times more voluminous, according to our page about attack potency Frieza is large star level (lowest small star level is 7.505x10 to the 30th power (in terms of energy in tonnes of TNT equivalent). And to reach large star level you need to get 7.605x10 to the 32nd power. Multiplying it by 2 000 is more than enough. Frieza even at Namek Saga in his final form and anyone who scales above or around him is large star level easily.

Edit stupid mistake: 8.8 millions would be Namek's diameter not namek's radius. Still I believe it qualifies for large star level
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Hmm. Since Earth is referred to as a small planet, would that mean this Namek calculation should be considered the 'base' size for an average planet in Universe 7? Or would we just treat Namek as an especially large planet?
 
CryoTheMayo said:
Hmm. Since Earth is referred to as a small planet, would that mean this Namek calculation should be considered the 'base' size for an average planet in Universe 7? Or would we just treat Namek as an especially large planet?
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Wasn't there statements from dodoria or zarbon telling that namek isn't big of a planet so idk what they consider a big planet
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I think that even Freeza, enemies didn't need hax, since there was the whole issue that Freeza and his soldiers only cared about raw power and not technique.
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NishizumiShiho said:
Jiren is the only dude i can think that purely rely on raw power. Frieza too i guess
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Even Freeza has his hax. He can paralyse beings stronger than him (GoD Toppo) via Imprisonment Ball and has also shown abilities like internal blasts via Pressure Points or Death Psycho Bomb that should negate durability via damaging internal organs. Telekinesis is also pretty damn underrated because he's always fighting opponents around his level or higher, against weaker opponents it's almost an immediate Game Over. Not to mention he's shown he's very skilled with Ki Control in general, given he naturally knew how to control his power level and can copy techniques like the Destructo Disc instantly or even control Destruction energy so he has some clear potential there for more advanced techniques.

Comparatively Jiren is a dude who just says "Screw that shit" and just overpowers everything. Well, at least he's insanely skilled at wielding that power so he isn't some dumb brute.

Killerdrone123 said:
Wasn't there statements from dodoria or zarbon telling that namek isn't big of a planet so idk what they consider a big planet
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I don't remember that, I only remember Earth being considered tiny.
 
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If Earth was a small planet according to King Cold, and I found a calc where the Earth circumference is 111.xxx km. How big is Jupiter?
 
So, what would happen next? How Goku and Vegeta would catch up to Black Frieza, since they're the 'weakest' out of bunch.
 
I do think Goku can increase his mastery on Ultra Instinct, like his SDBH counterparts where he can willingly turn into the white hair Ultra Instinct frequently without the needed of extra energy and that Susanoo UI or whatever it's called can be mastered.

About Vegeta, I do think Vegeta could also increase his mastery upon Ultra Ego.
 
NishizumiShiho said:
So, what would happen next? How Goku and Vegeta would catch up to Black Frieza, since they're the 'weakest' out of bunch.
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UI Avatar is blatantly the next step for Goku. Vegeta is still learning Jiren's Explosive Power/Relaxed State thing and also said he was a novice with Ultra Ego. Ultra Ego is also a form that seems to grow stronger as he fights stronger opponents so his power can continually grow.

Tbh as a Freeza fan I don't think he's actually as crazy as people think. The only reason he's ahead of Goku and Vegeta's God techniques is because he has a Time Chamber and they've only barely gotten started with using UI/UE. He could seriously use an upgrade in terms of technique or hax or he'll lag behind again.

Even if it turns out that Black Freeza is just so far beyond them the next logical step would be potara fusing in UI and UE to create an Ultra Vegito. Sure, Freeza could have Spirit Fission but if he can't touch Ultra Vegito then that's irrelevant.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
UI Avatar is blatantly the next step for Goku. Vegeta is still learning Jiren's Explosive Power/Relaxed State thing and also said he was a novice with Ultra Ego. Ultra Ego is also a form that seems to grow stronger as he fights stronger opponents so his power can continually grow.

Tbh as a Freeza fan I don't think he's actually as crazy as people think. The only reason he's ahead of Goku and Vegeta's God techniques is because he has a Time Chamber and they've only barely gotten started with using UI/UE. He could seriously use an upgrade in terms of technique or hax or he'll lag behind again.

Even if it turns out that Black Freeza is just so far beyond them the next logical step would be potara fusing in UI and UE to create an Ultra Vegito. Sure, Freeza could have Spirit Fission but if he can't touch Ultra Vegito then that's irrelevant.
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Yeah, that UI Susanoo would be Goku next step. But it would be cool if he can turned into white hair states without getting super tired like his SDBH counterparts.

And for Ultra Ego, what do you think will happen if Vegeta finally masters it? Will he able to use Hakai properly like Beerus does and encase his body with Hakai energy like GoD Toppo does?
 
NishizumiShiho said:
And for Ultra Ego, what do you think will happen if Vegeta finally masters it? Will he able to use Hakai properly like Beerus does and encase his body with Hakai energy like GoD Toppo does?
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Well, what I find interesting is that Goku's path of Ultra Instinct directly leads him to Angel tier with all of the Angels wielding it. Comparatively no GoD is even remotely Angel-level (with even the strongest GoD, Beerus, being one shot by Whis) and Beerus even encourages Vegeta to prove that GoD techniques are better than Angel techniques. That essentially means Vegeta will eventually enter totally unknown territory where he needs to evolve his GoD powers beyond what any GoD has ever done so he can match Angel-level beings.

How long away is that? Who knows. It is something that should come up eventually though. Vegeta will eventually be the greatest Destruction Energy user simply because he has to be to keep up with Goku's Ultra Instinct.

NishizumiShiho said:
Imagine if Goku and Vegeta fused into Ultra Ego Instinct Vegito but the narrator said 'They're approaching GoD level'
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Right now I think Ultra Vegito would be the only character to reach Beerus-level. It lines up with every Whis statement and matches up with Beerus (a GoD who can use some level of Ultra Instinct).
 
CryoTheMayo said:
Well, what I find interesting is that Goku's path of Ultra Instinct directly leads him to Angel tier with all of the Angels wielding it. Comparatively no GoD is even remotely Angel-level (with even the strongest GoD, Beerus, being one shot by Whis) and Beerus even encourages Vegeta to prove that GoD techniques are better than Angel techniques. That essentially means Vegeta will eventually enter totally unknown territory where he needs to evolve his GoD powers beyond what any GoD has ever done so he can match Angel-level beings.

How long away is that? Who knows. It is something that should come up eventually though. Vegeta will eventually be the greatest Destruction Energy user simply because he has to be to keep up with Goku's Ultra Instinct.


Right now I think Ultra Vegito would be the only character to reach Beerus-level. It lines up with every Whis statement and matches up with Beerus (a GoD who can use some level of Ultra Instinct).
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Didn't Shin stated Blue Vegito from manga already on Beerus level?
 
It seems Daima will truly explore the Demon Realm and the Dragon Team was put under a curse so they will de-aged that even Shenron can't reverse it.

Edit: Daima first minutes or so will have animations and art style similar to that of Z but will gradually changed to what we see on the trailer.

Don't worry, Daima will have blood in it, incase someone want some blood in modern Dragon Ball. The key animator of Daima would be the same team that handle DBS Broly.

90-95% of what we see on trailer are the footage of episode 01 and it seems the episode already done in production.
 
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I mean, when would it be set? Before EoZ? After EoZ? In case it's canon of course. If it's not can we use the stuff there? Also if it's non canon will it be like DBGT?
 
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