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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100


Let´s see how it goes
Ok guys Akuto is a f#cking smurf so this thread is a stomp

Any matchup ideas for Manga Goku?
 
It branches out from God Mission before people like Towa find out Mechikabura. The manga has a “DDR” mission, but that’s technically a saga within God Mission. Ultimately, though Victory Mission isn’t canon to SDBH at all. There’s not even statements of it being an alternate dimension, or seen in the Charisma Mission. (That I’m aware of atleast)
So, it's a spinoff of a spinoff? Hmmm, freak, that Beat's world feats the shadow dragon goes to Beat's world isn't canon?

Dammit, thankfully the arcade manga still treat it as higher dimensional plane, depsite people in here can't accept it.
 
Toyotaro's Victory Mission? Afaik, based off the chapters I remember reading, it's a spin off that takes place in the Evil Dragon Mission era. The thing is however is that it is essentially its own continuity and has no involvement or connection to SDBH.

That's why it doesn't have Immesurable speed scaling for that reason alone, so if you find anything from VM then it's not scaling to the main Heroes canon
Ahhh, it's a branch of Jaaku Mission... Interesting.
 
So, it's a spinoff of a spinoff? Hmmm, freak, that Beat's world feats the shadow dragon goes to Beat's world isn't canon?

Dammit, thankfully the arcade manga still treat it as higher dimensional plane, depsite people in here can't accept it.
No, it’s a spinoff from God Mission. God Mission is the real mission, but Dark Demon Realm Mission is technically not a thing. DDRM was suppose to be a saga within God Mission, but the manga messed it up. The arcade supersedes the manga though.

Also, yeah the information on Beat’s world from that manga wouldn’t apply to SDBH, unlike WM and UMX, since those 2 spin-offs are stated to happen in alternate dimensions and shown in Charisma Mission, unlike VM which has no basis to be canon to main SDBH.
 
No, it’s a spinoff from God Mission. God Mission is the real mission, but Dark Demon Realm Mission is technically not a thing. DDRM was suppose to be a saga within God Mission, but the manga messed it up. The arcade supersedes the manga though.

Also, yeah the information on Beat’s world from that manga wouldn’t apply to SDBH, unlike WM and UMX, since those 2 spin-offs are stated to happen in alternate dimensions and shown in Charisma Mission, unlike VM which has no basis to be canon to main SDBH.
Aaaaahhhh okay okay, that make sense.

Damn, so, no Baby Janemba :(
 

Yo! Do you guys mind checking out this thread?
 

Yo! Do you guys mind checking out this thread?
It wasn’t there wasn’t a speed multiplier accepted, it’s that it wasn’t applied yet.
 
Nah, only a power multiplier was ever accepted
I don't know why not. Since the fighting power thing, generally being stronger is being more everything, but strong, fast and durable. Something demonstrated by Kaioken and SSJ.

We even have a note that greater ki = greater everything including speed, and generally in DB being stronger means having greater ki.

I don't even know why the larger SSJ multipliers don't include speed, since they are the same concept as the SSJ but with a larger multiplier.

There are only a few cases that focus on specific statistics, like Dyspo, which has a transformation that specifically increases speed.
 
We even have a note that greater ki = greater everything including speed, and generally in DB being stronger means having greater ki.
That note is wrong both krillin and fat gotenks could react and evade cell max picclo and beast or gamma can’t statue cell max despite being like trillions of times stronger then gotenks and krillin
 
Really I made that SSG multiplier thread because I noticed that we still use >>>50x on the speed scaling blog. Since we use that SSG > pre-BoG Fusion * SS3 for power, the same should apply to speed.
 
I don't know why not. Since the fighting power thing, generally being stronger is being more everything, but strong, fast and durable. Something demonstrated by Kaioken and SSJ.
in the case of SSJ1 and Kaioken we have either explicit statements that works that way, or demonstrations of such, SSJ2 and up power multiplier was gotten by purely upscaling from a purely power multiplier,

We even have a note that greater ki = greater everything including speed, and generally in DB being stronger means having greater ki.
which doesn't mean "greater power in a certain amount = greater everything in the same amount"

I don't even know why the larger SSJ multipliers don't include speed, since they are the same concept as the SSJ but with a larger multiplier.
because again, ssj2 and up is purely upscaling from a power multiplier, nothing else

There are only a few cases that focus on specific statistics, like Dyspo, which has a transformation that specifically increases speed.
which proves that raising a stat doesn't make your power grow in the same amount, else Dyspo wouldn't be any faster than Toppo

to say that something is a exeption, one must first prove the rule, now the rule to be proven is not that "greater ki = your stats all grow" but that "greater ki = all of your stats grow in the exact same amount proportional to one another" meaning "2x power increase = 2x durability increase" and etc
 
I don't know why not. Since the fighting power thing, generally being stronger is being more everything, but strong, fast and durable. Something demonstrated by Kaioken and SSJ.

We even have a note that greater ki = greater everything including speed, and generally in DB being stronger means having greater ki.

I don't even know why the larger SSJ multipliers don't include speed, since they are the same concept as the SSJ but with a larger multiplier.
While greater Ki will always make you faster, the wiki doesn't treat a linear increase in Ki to mean an increase to every single stat in the exact same way, otherwise SSG Goku would've had immeasurable speed just by being 2-C

The lack of a speed multiplier for SS2 and SS3 is due to their power multiplier just being upscaled from SS Grade 3, which is actually slower than base Super Saiyan. With KK we knew it explicitly multiplies speed, and with SS1 the 50x boost evidence is very clear when Goku blitzed 100% Frieza when he can't even keep up with 50% Frieza with KKx20. We don't have such luxuries with SS2 and SS3, all we knew is that they are massively but unquantifiably faster than SS.
 
the manga contradicts them, as SSJ2 is implied superior to Grade 3, which is 10x greater than normal Super Saiyan, so this doesn't do much
The manga? From what I know, the 10x comes from el Manga Legendario and not directly from the manga itself.

It would only be contradictory if there was proof that The Legendary Manga is more reliable than this DB databook that shows the SSJ 2 and 3 multipliers.
 
The manga? From what I know, the 10x comes from el Manga Legendario and not directly from the manga itself.

It would only be contradictory if there was proof that The Legendary Manga is more reliable than this DB databook that shows the SSJ 2 and 3 multipliers.
pretty sure the wiki accepts the El Manga Legendario as more reliable than the Super Exiting Guide
 
pretty sure the wiki accepts the El Manga Legendario as more reliable than the Super Exiting Guide
Is there any crt that says this? What provides evidence that The Legendary Manga is more reliable than the Super Exiting Guide?

Mainly because the SEG is a more recent databook than the EML, that is, more updated information.
 
It's mainly due to the wiki splitting hairs more than anything else. Most other power scaling circles realize it's usually alright to just apply most transformations to every stat.
 
pretty sure the wiki accepts the El Manga Legendario as more reliable than the Super Exiting Guide
The Wiki accepts the Super Saiyan 2 and 3 multipliers provided by the Super Exciting Guide as contradicting their in-universe portrayals (e.g., Gohan turning a stomp around against Cell with a supposedly 2x multiplier; SSJ Gohan cannot, under any circumstance, be comparable to Perfect Cell).

but like hahaha...
 
The Wiki accepts the Super Saiyan 2 and 3 multipliers provided by the Super Exciting Guide as contradicting their in-universe portrayals (e.g., Gohan turning a stomp around against Cell with a supposedly 2x multiplier; SSJ Gohan cannot, under any circumstance, be comparable to Perfect Cell).

but like hahaha...
Also consider the fact that SSJ Gohan went from being stomped by Perfect Cell, to outpacing his powerhouse form which is his equivalent to SS Grade 3 (said form also turned around a stomp when Trunks used it, he's just too slow), and even his Super Perfect form which is incomparably stronger than his Powerhouse form, with Gohan only having just half of his power.

If SS2 Gohan is only 2x stronger than his SS state, he would've easily obliterated base Perfect Cell, since at his full power he would have the same level of power as SS2 Gohan during the beam struggle.

No matter how you look at it just the plain x2 multiplier is nonsense.
 
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