All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[SirAlex09]

In addition to Toei being a gigantic company, Dragon Ball has had its own division within Toei since 2018.

So there is no such thing as "splitting resources".

Seriously, in 2021 TOEI was simultaneously making
"TV: World Trigger, One Piece, Precure, Digimon, Dai.
Movies: Digimon, Digimon 02, Dragon Ball Super, Precure"

And did we have bad animation in Super Hero? No.

I am not talking abouz movies since movies are always much better animated than a TV series.

And having 2 different divisions doesn't mean that they don't share ressources. That's not how a company works. So I am confused why you bring this up. Stuff like staff , money ezc can be pulled from one to another anytime depending on how succesful a project is. Having too many projects at once is very taxing for every company. Toei might handle it the best since it is big but it is still very big.

DBS animation got better the same time One piece animation got worse. One piece got better the same time DBS Anime stopped. One Piece always aired after Dragonball or before.. I don't recall it exactly. But as DBS animation improved there was a heavy decline in One Piece animation. People who watched both recognized that

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

Depends on how Z is scaled. Some people highball Z characters to around multi-solar-galaxy (which I can accept) and some wank it to universal (which I can understand). Then there are the clowns saying Cell is high-universal or whatever.

I'm talking down to Earth manga scaling.
Multi-Solar System has legit no support, thus it's also wank but go on

Overall Saitama wipes most of Z but he hard stops at Buu. Not because of power but because of hax. Buu has infinite stamina and can regenerate from smoke. Saitama couldn't destroy Buu, and the Candy Beam would work on him as he has yet to resist transmutation.

A punch 4 quadrillion times stronger than you would evaporate every atom in your body, Buu can't Regen from this, and Saitama can simply get stronger until he has a punch strong enough to achieve this.

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

Vegeta versus FV

Vegeta VS Funny Valentine Battlefield: Universe 7 Standart Battle Assumptions Vegeta: Funny Valentine: Incon:

vsbattles.com

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

It does not look like an actual black hole but Its potency rivals that of an all-engulfing black hole.

Mistranslation I'm pretty sure.
"圧縮され、漆黒に染まった球体は、近くにいるだけで押しつぶされそうな圧力を感じるほどだった。"
"The compressed, blackened sphere emitted a crushing pressure, absorbing surrounding energy."

It never mentions a comparison with a Black Hole, it just says the pressure is crushing.

 

[darkphantom9805]

Ain't Saitama Galaxy level?
He beats all of Z and gets violated in Super

With growth 1 second of fighting saitama would be galaxy+++++++ since he can grow like trillions and trillions of time a second

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

With growth 1 second of fighting saitama would be galaxy+++++++ since he can grow like trillions and trillions of time a second

Bro thinks it's just a passive when Saitama has to actively feel raw emotion for this to happen

 

[darkphantom9805]

Bro thinks it's just a passive when Saitama has to actively feel raw emotion for this to happen

I guess the saying db fans can’t read is true mind telling me where I stated it was passive?

 

[Prime2024]

Mistranslation I'm pretty sure.
"圧縮され、漆黒に染まった球体は、近くにいるだけで押しつぶされそうな圧力を感じるほどだった。"
"The compressed, blackened sphere emitted a crushing pressure, absorbing surrounding energy."

It never mentions a comparison with a Black Hole, it just says the pressure is crushing.

Ehh the way they described Cell max attack seemed more like it was referring to a black hole tbh.

But regardless it should still be a good lifting feat

 

[OneRhasstyBoi]

With growth 1 second of fighting saitama would be galaxy+++++++ since he can grow like trillions and trillions of time a second

Trillions times a second? What made you pull that number out of your ass?On this site, he barely grow for like 50 times after a long ass fight based on the growth graph calculation.If you truly want someone that can actually grow for trillions times in a fight, you can ask Garou, he can call Saitama and Saitama can give you Broly’s number.

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

Ehh the way they described Cell max attack seemed more like it was referring to a black hole tbh.

But regardless it should still be a good lifting feat

It isn't, it's an ambiguous statement that can't be measured.

I guess the saying db fans can’t read is true mind telling me where I stated it was passive?

I'm not a DB fan, primarily. You pulling a number out your ass and saying the boost would happen in the first second of the fight constitutes a passive growing ability on that level.

 

[StekFence]

and also i dont really think energy has mass

Im pretty sure it can, that’s why we have E=Mc^2

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Ehh the way they described Cell max attack seemed more like it was referring to a black hole tbh.

漆黒 = "jet-black"
に indicates the purpose of a succeeding verb.
染まった = "to be dyed".
球体 = "sphere"; "orb"

The sphere is dyed [colored] jet-black; ergo, not a black hole, but a black ball... of energy.

or smth like that im no expert

 

[Prime2024]

It isn't, it's an ambiguous statement that can't be measured

Nah it is

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

Nah it is

Do the math then Einstein

 

[Prime2024]

Im pretty sure it can, that’s why we have E=Mc^2

Energy attack in Dragon ball does have a mass, heck I recall Goku describing one of Beerus attacks being too heavy

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

Mistranslation I'm pretty sure.
"圧縮され、漆黒に染まった球体は、近くにいるだけで押しつぶされそうな圧力を感じるほどだった。"
"The compressed, blackened sphere emitted a crushing pressure, absorbing surrounding energy."

It never mentions a comparison with a Black Hole, it just says the pressure is crushing.

This is what mine said

"The compressed, jet-black sphere, reminiscent of a black hole, emitted such intense pressure that merely being close to it felt like being crushed."

I asked further about anything about a black hole there

And it said this

"The most accurate interpretation would depend on the context in which this sentence is used. However, based solely on the provided text, the interpretation suggests a description of a compressed, dark sphere that exerts significant pressure, evoking the sensation of being near a black hole due to its intense gravitational pull."



Was yours machine translated?

Energy attack in Dragon ball does have a mass, heck I recall Goku describing one of Beerus attacks being too heavy

Iirc, nack in namek saga, Frieza's energy sphere pushed Goku through a boulder or so as he was pushing back against it physically

 

[Prime2024]

I used chat gpt lol :

"Having unleashed the colossal energy blast, Cellmax condensed the energy, tightening it with a tremendous force that could be lifted with one hand. Despite its enormous size, Cellmax's energy blast, like a black hole swallowing space, absorbed energy from its surroundings, increasing its power even more."

Anyway can't we determine Cell's lifting strength based on the gravitational force of his attack ?

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

This is what mine said

"The compressed, jet-black sphere, reminiscent of a black hole, emitted such intense pressure that merely being close to it felt like being crushed."

I asked further about anything about a black hole there

And it said this

"The most accurate interpretation would depend on the context in which this sentence is used. However, based solely on the provided text, the interpretation suggests a description of a compressed, dark sphere that exerts significant pressure, evoking the sensation of being near a black hole due to its intense gravitational pull."



Was yours machine translated?


Iirc, nack in namek saga, Frieza's energy sphere pushed Goku through a boulder or so as he was pushing back against it physically

I used chat gpt lol :

"Having unleashed the colossal energy blast, Cellmax condensed the energy, tightening it with a tremendous force that could be lifted with one hand. Despite its enormous size, Cellmax's energy blast, like a black hole swallowing space, absorbed energy from its surroundings, increasing its power even more."

Anyway can't we determine Cell's lifting strength based on the gravitational force of his attack ?

No.
It doesn't mention a black hole at all. You guys are making it up, and that's honestly hilarious.

First off, the word for Black Hole in Japanese is "ブラックホール" (Burakku Hōru), that isn't present in the original text.

Here's a breakdown of the Japanese sentence:
1. 圧縮され (Asshuku sare) - compressed
2. 漆黒に染まった (Shikkoku ni somatta) - dyed in jet black
3. 球体 (Kyūtai) - sphere
4. は (Wa) - topic marker
5. 近くにいるだけで (Chikaku ni iru dake de) - merely by being close
6. 押しつぶされそうな (Oshitsubusare-sō na) - seemingly about to be crushed
7. 圧力 (Atsuryoku) - pressure
8. を感じる (o kanjiru) - to feel
9. ほどだった (hodo datta) - to the extent

Putting it together: "The compressed, jet-black sphere, just by being close to it, gave off a pressure so intense that it felt like one was about to be crushed."

It can't POSSIBLY be compared to a Black Hole.

 

[Prime2024]

No.
It doesn't mention a black hole at all. You guys are making it up, and that's honestly hilarious.

First off, the word for Black Hole in Japanese is "ブラックホール" (Burakku Hōru), that isn't present in the original text.

Here's a breakdown of the Japanese sentence:
1. 圧縮され (Asshuku sare) - compressed
2. 漆黒に染まった (Shikkoku ni somatta) - dyed in jet black
3. 球体 (Kyūtai) - sphere
4. は (Wa) - topic marker
5. 近くにいるだけで (Chikaku ni iru dake de) - merely by being close
6. 押しつぶされそうな (Oshitsubusare-sō na) - seemingly about to be crushed
7. 圧力 (Atsuryoku) - pressure
8. を感じる (o kanjiru) - to feel
9. ほどだった (hodo datta) - to the extent

Putting it together: "The compressed, jet-black sphere, just by being close to it, gave off a pressure so intense that it felt like one was about to be crushed."

It can't POSSIBLY be compared to a Black Hole.

It can't POSSIBLY be compared to a Black Hole.

The way how the attack was described (strong gravitational pull that creates a vortex, absorbing energy and objects,...etc etc), it can possibly refer to a black hole or at least an attack with the same potency as a black hole.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

The way how the attack was described (strong gravitational pull that creates a vortex, absorbing energy and objects,...etc etc), it can possibly refer to a black hole or at least an attack with the same potency as a black hole.

ChatGPT Is there where I can look at this?

 

[Prime2024]

Tho when I used Deeple that's what it says :

 

[Hasty12345]

Ask chatGPT to highlight the kanji that it’s translating to black hole if DeepL is giving something else

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

No.
It doesn't mention a black hole at all. You guys are making it up, and that's honestly hilarious.

Stupid comments like this make no sense, especially when it's an accusations worthy of an RVR ban

Anyway can't we determine Cell's lifting strength based on the gravitational force of his attack ?

Not if the force is unknown

 

[Prime2024]

Not if the force is unknown

Well it was strong enough to create a vortex on a continental scale, would that be enough ?

 

[Prime2024]

Ask chatGPT to highlight the kanji that it’s translating to black hole if DeepL is giving something else

Ehh I did :

That was Chat GPT interpretation based on how Cell max attack worked

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Ask chatGPT to highlight the kanji that it’s translating to black hole if DeepL is giving something else

The kanji is "漆黒に染まった球体".
"Shikkoku ni somatta kyūtai".
Literally speaking, a sphere dyed jet-black.
That jet-black sphere is the は, the subject of the sentence.
Nothing else in the sentence could possibly be misinterpreted or purposefully misconstrued into "ブラックホール".

 

[Hasty12345]

Ehh I did :

That was Chat GPT interpretation based on how Cell max attack worked

It probably is a black hole, but it seems we lack the proper evidence to prove it.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Stop using DeepL, stop using Google Translation, stop using Yandex, stop using ******* ChatGPT, and start learning how the language works.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

Ask chatGPT to highlight the kanji that it’s translating to black hole if DeepL is giving something else

I did, posted it in my earlier message too

"The kanji "漆黒" (しっこく - shikkoku) was translated as "jet-black," which is used to describe something very dark or black. In the context provided, it's used to characterize the color or appearance of the sphere, evoking the imagery of a black hole due to its darkness and potential gravitational pull."



I don't know how to upload screenshots

 

[Prime2024]

Stop using DeepL, stop using Google Translation, stop using Yandex, stop using ******* ChatGPT, and start learning how the language works.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Stop using DeepL, stop using Google Translation, stop using Yandex, stop using ******* ChatGPT, and start learning how the language works.

We call a professional in Japanese @Executor_N0, his translation is excellent.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

Well it was strong enough to create a vortex on a continental scale, would that be enough ?

Was this due to the gravity alone?



Anyway, it's best to have a resident translator simply translate the sentence to put this to bed

 

[Prime2024]

Was this due to the gravity alone?



Anyway, it's best to have a resident translator simply translate the sentence to put this to bed

Probably ?
Here's the quote :

 

[Prime2024]

@Jaakor48 here's the size of the vortex :

 

[Nullflowerblush]

the post-luffy era man...

 

[Quantu]

Respect the future Pirate King?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

@Jaakor48 here's the size of the vortex :

This part that says it swallows the Universe seems quite interesting



ごはん どう けれど悟飯は動じない。

それどころか、なぜかニヤリと笑みを浮かべてさえいる。 せんとう この ほんのうごはん 戦闘を 好むサイヤ人として本能が悟飯をそうさせているのか。

ちょうきょだいきだん つきぎょうしゅく 超巨大な気弾をうみだしたセルマックスは、エネルギーをギュンッと一気に凝縮させた。 うちゅうめ ちょうきょうりょく きだん 右手で持ちあげられるほどの大きさだが、宇宙を飲みこむブラックホールのような超強力なセルマックスの気弾は、まわりか きゅうしゅう らエネルギーを吸収して、さらにどんどんパワーをあげる。


How about dinner? But Gohan remains unfazed.


On the contrary, for some reason he even smiled. He sat down: As a Saiyan who loves combat, would Gohan's instincts lead him to do this?


Cellmax, who produced a gigantic energy bullet, condensed the energy all at once.


Although it is large enough to be lifted with Uchu's right hand, Cellmax's super-powerful air bullet, like a black hole swallowing the universe, absorbs energy from the environment and becomes even
more powerful.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

the post-luffy era man...

I already told you, Null

I don't like your jokes about me

 

[Prime2024]

This part that says it swallows the Universe seems quite interesting



ごはん どう けれど悟飯は動じない。

それどころか、なぜかニヤリと笑みを浮かべてさえいる。 せんとう この ほんのうごはん 戦闘を 好むサイヤ人として本能が悟飯をそうさせているのか。

ちょうきょだいきだん つきぎょうしゅく 超巨大な気弾をうみだしたセルマックスは、エネルギーをギュンッと一気に凝縮させた。 うちゅうめ ちょうきょうりょく きだん 右手で持ちあげられるほどの大きさだが、宇宙を飲みこむブラックホールのような超強力なセルマックスの気弾は、まわりか きゅうしゅう らエネルギーを吸収して、さらにどんどんパワーをあげる。


How about dinner? But Gohan remains unfazed.


On the contrary, for some reason he even smiled. He sat down: As a Saiyan who loves combat, would Gohan's instincts lead him to do this?


Cellmax, who produced a gigantic energy bullet, condensed the energy all at once.


Although it is large enough to be lifted with Uchu's right hand, Cellmax's super-powerful air bullet, like a black hole swallowing the universe, absorbs energy from the environment and becomes even
more powerful.

Via scaling it would make sense tbh

 

[Nullflowerblush]

ブラックホール

wow, look at that; the kanji for black holes.