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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

The_Yellow_Topaz said:
Bro, what is that 💀
thecodex.wiki

Son Goku - Dragon Ball

Discover Goku's complete saga from monkey-tailed boy to Ultra Instinct master. Explore Super Saiyan forms and legendary clashes.
thecodex.wiki thecodex.wiki

At least it's well organized.
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Oh ****, it's that one wiki which has Sailor Moon at HIGH OUTERVERSAL, The wiki's got some nice organization as you said but the tiering's goofy as shit.

And this isn't even the worst for Goku, CC Goku from Heroes is only Planet Level at his strongest there in this Codex wiki
 
RedReaper said:
I wonder, was there ever a speed calc for SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu fighting so fast the Spirit Bomb looked frozen in time?
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Hmm, that would be kind of difficult to figure out.

First off, even if we assume it's the most amount of time possible, let's say, snailpace, it still wouldn't be relevant for the verse. Yes, even in the game, characters would be Rel+ to FTL, so it's unlikely we will even have the need to calculate it.

Still, even if we assumed it was relevant, how are we going to calculate movement when it varies from gameplay to gameplay? How long can we stay in frozen time before the spirit bomb just explodes?
Fezzih_007 said:
"Can create shockwaves that will eventually become High 3-A" bruh.
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They legit think the shockwaves are just magically gathering more energy out of literal nowhere. 💀
 
The_Yellow_Topaz said:
Credit where credit is due
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Indeed.

Though, I do have a question—Would we accept image training as Mind Manipulation like they do? Especially because it can deal REAL damage and cause harm? (Such as when Trunks fought against Image Goku Black and got schooled, taking real hits and even shedding blood.)
 
Ednaxel2 said:
I'm not sure if the "Piccolo didn't destroy the moon" statement is all that reliable, we're shown it's gone from space here:
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Vegeta also couldn't find the moon whatsoever
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He did destroy the moon wym? Are you talking about the DBZ Kakarot guide statement or whatever? That statement doesn't hold much merit and by no means does it take precedence over the actual feat which we see displayed outright. In fact, it literally refers to a filler episode where this does happen, but that filler episode takes place AFTER Piccolo destroys the actual moon.

Not only is the feat just canon and irrefutable, but Vegeta going and realizing that the moon is gone and literally thinking that the Z Fighter's destroyed it BECAUSE they knew of the transformation automatically destroys the entire debunk argument. This statement isn't even a WoG statement as it wasn't made by Toriyama I am quite sure. Even if it was, that's the same guy who forgot that SSJ2 and SSJ3 existed when Dragon Ball made its official return.

The feat is consistent too so no claiming it's an outlier.
 
RedReaper said:
Indeed.

Though, I do have a question—Would we accept image training as Mind Manipulation like they do? Especially because it can deal REAL damage and cause harm? (Such as when Trunks fought against Image Goku Black and got schooled, taking real hits and even shedding blood.)
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Check whatever Baki has
 
RinneItachi said:
He did destroy the moon wym? Are you talking about the DBZ Kakarot guide statement or whatever? That statement doesn't hold much merit and by no means does it take precedence over the actual feat which we see displayed outright. In fact, it literally refers to a filler episode where this does happen, but that filler episode takes place AFTER Piccolo destroys the actual moon.
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It doesn't refer to the filler episode, it refers to the story of the game itself
 
omegabronic said:
i see, still would warrant a rating as a final key i believe, after all, Goku can fight Mira if selected
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Mira doesn't have 5-D power until Xenoverse 2, sadly, so Kakarot Goku beating him wouldn't really warrant 5-D since Mira was only Innocent Buu and Ssj3 Goku level before XV2.

Although....if Xenoverse is canon to Kakarot, then you could argue that Goku would be 5-D after obtaining Super Saiyan God as he's able to fight Beerus. And Beerus in XV1 and 2 to my understanding not only has a few statements from characters about being able to destroy all of history, but he also sees Final Form Demigra (who is Low 1-C) as an absolute non threat not worth waking up from a nap for. So if you want to go that route, there is merit to it
 
Ednaxel2 said:
It doesn't refer to the filler episode, it refers to the story of the game itself
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Yes but that is based on a filler episode. The person who wrote that is trying to tie in the events of a filler episode into the game as a way to explain (for some reason) that Piccolo didn't actually destroy the moon which is ridiculous and just plain wrong.
 
I don't hate the style of it but like, that should just be called The Downplay Wiki. I knew it was a bad sign when it said 7-B with Super Kamehameha but the DBZ-DBS portion makes me want to poor bleach in my eyes.
 
It's about time the series had a Kid Buu or Kid Goku profile, I really like Kid Goku, but I bet we'll give Kid Goku to Daima
 
Would I have to make a crt for new scaling from a game that applies to itself? I'm just checking before I got everything for DBZ:K Goku done
 
The_Yellow_Topaz said:
Oozaru 23rd Budokai Goku would have a PL of 2600, which would make him Small Planet level (Oh wait, PL aren't really a thing here, nvm)
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It was used by Nappa, Vegeta, Frieza etc so it would count. I am tempted to say 23rd Budokai Goku as well since his BP isn't stated in-game
 
Ednaxel2 said:
Alright, this is just how the blog is right now:
vsbattles.fandom.com

Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot (Statistics Explanation)

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
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if the scene of Freeza destroying planet Vegeta is in the game, why use the calculation for the anime version instead of Calculating the feat from the game using the in game ctuscenes?

unless it is a hold over for now until that happened, which then nvm this message
 
Ednaxel2 said:
It was used by Nappa, Vegeta, Frieza etc so it would count. I am tempted to say 23rd Budokai Goku as well since his BP isn't stated in-game
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Well, if you're using manga/anime databooks for the game, which I'm personally against, then PL absolutely matter for scaling, yeah
 
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