Literally the same in this context
They are two fundamentally different words that have relevant meaning on this site. And for the last time, Kakashi's Kamui isn't passive. It requires chakra to use and isn't on forever, on top of costing an abysmal amount of chakra to use Kamui in the first place. If it were passive, then it would be online, all the time, no matter what (like Ness's passive fate manip). It is a distinction that is important to point out; else it's misleading to those who aren't familiar with the verse.
Why would that be? Naruto has plenty non physical attacks yet the databook states "any attack will slip through" kamui users.
Because the Force doesn't fall under any category by which Kamui or Kakashi can interact with. "Any attack will slip through"
in his verse, that's the real difference here. If we applied that logic across the board, and to other verses, then truly nothing would be able to reach Kakashi.
The force has no mass or volume to send away because the force is intangible, immaterial, and already exists anywhere and everywhere.
Kakashi doesn't need to react to it when it works unconsciously.
...against physical objects and attacks. Stop leaving that out.
The force isn't a physical object or physical attack that Kamui can bypass. It's also not physical to begin with.
The Totsuka Blade isn't tangible either yet kamui can slip through any attack.
This is completely irrelevant??
Then why did you mention Kakashi not slipping through pains attacks????
It was an example to make it easy to understand how the Force would interact. Kakashi can't slip through Obiwan's TK, similar to how he couldn't break through Pain's Gravity manip.
It doesn't need to tho? If a part of Kakashis body gets interacted with by literally anything the part of his body goes to another dimension. He doesn't need to interact with an object as kamui solely depends on manipulating the user's own body here.
The Force doesn't need to travel to affect a target. Unless there's proof of Kakashi being able to explicitly deal with, 5B, higher dimensional/nondual/conceptual TK, then he's getting ragged plain and simple. Obi-wan is also capable of outright crushing both his eyes.
Addressing the link you gave. According to the
other link, linked by the OP, and approved as precedent;
"
Genjutsu should work as long as one of two criteria are met, the person in question has senses tied to a Physical body or is made out of energy that can be equalized to chakra, of course, how effective the genjutsu is will entirely rely on a case to case basis, either the specific genjutsu, the person performing the ability and how it matches with other verse mechanics. however, the bigger point here is that not having chakra or a chakra pathway system does not give you Inherent resistance to Genjutsu."
Under these stipulations that were approved, and the fact that Force isn't even a comparable energy system in any way, Ob1 doesn't meet these criteria at all. As I had mentioned before, the force is an external and omnipresent energy that permeates through all living things, by which Force Users control. It is best described as an "energy field" that Force users interact with and control at-will with their thoughts and emotions.
Sage Chakra doesn't even come close, since it is strictly an External energy source that Sages have to channel/store into themselves. Sage Chakra also isn’t as abundant in supply in comparison— it’d be like comparing a popsicle stick to an entire tree. Force Users also don't need to charge up/store energy to use the force anyways. It's an unlimited supply that they're essentially attuned to.
Last-minute edit: I'm also realizing that Tutamini's can disperse Kakashi's left eye Kamui ability, lmao. Also Jedi are trained to resist mind tricks and mental illusions.
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ok it looks like kakashi stomps
