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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Nullflowerblush said:


I'm noticing...
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I mean Cell being a ssj is not that big of a deal

He already had the aura even before his attack on Ginger City, as we see in the Trunks epilogue after the Cell Games

We can't really make a distinction of when he uses his super saiyan state and when he doesnt
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Whenever Cell powers up and the Super Saiyan's signature aura appears, we can reasonably extrapolate it has transformed.
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Not really, he can just be in super saiyan and then power up more

We see this many times like how Goku was a SSJ 24/7 in preparation for the Cell games, yet he can still power up with the SSJ aura when he begins his fight with Cell
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Whenever Cell powers up and the Super Saiyan's signature aura appears, we can reasonably extrapolate it has transformed.
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Nullflowerblush said:


I'm noticing...
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Cell, at least in the anime, has this SSJ aura.

What if he is only 100% of the time an SSJ?

The auras appear to be similar to those of Goku SSJ from the manga.

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Ednaxel2 said:
Not really, he can just be in super saiyan and then power up more

We see this many times like how Goku was a SSJ 24/7 in preparation for the Cell games, yet he can still power up with the SSJ aura when he begins his fight with Cell
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I said "reasonably".

Goku mastered Super Saiyan, effectively eliminating its physical strain when outside of combat and significantly reducing its energy drain at full power.
Cell had not and, evidently, never did.

Unlike the Saiyans, whose hair readily indicates their current form, Cell's current form can only reasonably be determined by its aura.
 
Besides,
  1. As Imperfect Cell, the aura does not appear until the battle in the archipelago.
  2. As Semi-Perfect Cell, the aura does not appear until the battle with Super Vegeta.
  3. As Perfect Cell, ignoring its usage of Third Grade Super Saiyan, the aura does not appear until the Cell Games.
 
I always interpreted Cell’s Super Saiyan as being a passive constant state, (so long as he utilizes Ki), thanks to his genetics, similar to how Merged Zamasu is technically always a Super Saiyan Rosé despite never transforming. Especially because Cell’s “Ki-Sensory Similarity,” effect also covers the SSJs that comprised him, I believe.
 
Hasty12345 said:
I agree. I think the only actual legitimate argument against infinite universe is that Supers only statements and depictions of the universe is that it’s finite, hence DBZ era statements are retconned.

If Daima said the universe was infinite, there’s no counter argument.

Here’s hoping.
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How do you actually visualize an infinite universe while still showing other universes in a series without making it seem finite?
Is that even possible
 
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Jaakor48 said:
How do you actually visualize an infinite universe while still showing other universes in a series without making it seem finite?
Is that even possible
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Not literally, but the best scans for infinite universes say that the observable universe is surrounded by infinite darkness, how is that depicted in Super? Because as far as I can tell, no such darkness is even artistically portrayed.

All evidence towards the size of the universe in DBS says the universe is finite, and all evidence saying it is infinite comes from secondary canon sources originating from many years ago, it's very easy to see how they're retconned given direct confirmation of universes being finite in both anime and manga of super.
 
Hasty12345 said:
Not literally, but the best scans for infinite universes say that the observable universe is surrounded by infinite darkness, how is that depicted in Super? Because as far as I can tell, no such darkness is even artistically portrayed.

All evidence towards the size of the universe in DBS says the universe is finite, and all evidence saying it is infinite comes from secondary canon sources originating from many years ago, it's very easy to see how they're retconned given direct confirmation of universes being finite in both anime and manga of super.
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Which further proves why the visual is inaccurate cause talons planet is located in the darkness not to mention the fact that the visual lacks other realms to
 
Killerdrone123 said:
Which further proves why the visual is inaccurate cause talons planet is located in the darkness not to mention the fact that the visual lacks other realms to
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No, it proves the statements from 20-year-old guides have no bearing on Super.

Super is primary canon, and guides are secondary, saying the visual representation that contradicts the guides shouldn't be used is literally backwards logic.

Pocket realities don't need to be depicted, it's not like you should be able to "see" metaphysical realms like the afterlife, it would be more concerning if we could see them tbh. The marbles are very clearly the living universe, and the representations are not consistent with other descriptions from secondary canon sources that state the living universe is surrounded by infinite darkness - the living universe isn't surrounded by any darkness or any reasonable artistic expression of that concept being shown in Super whatsoever. Further contradicted by both DBS and DB Chou saying the universe is finite.
 
Hasty12345 said:
No, it proves the statements from 20-year-old guides have no bearing on Super.

Super is primary canon, and guides are secondary, saying the visual representation that contradicts the guides shouldn't be used is literally backwards logic.

Pocket realities don't need to be depicted, it's not like you should be able to "see" metaphysical realms like the afterlife, it would be more concerning if we could see them tbh. The marbles are very clearly the living universe, and the representations are not consistent with other descriptions from secondary canon sources that state the living universe is surrounded by infinite darkness - the living universe isn't surrounded by any darkness or any reasonable artistic expression of that concept being shown in Super whatsoever. Further contradicted by both DBS and DB Chou saying the universe is finite.
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Calling afterlife and kaioshin realm pocket reality is crazy lol also that you ignored the fact that the actual map depicts this realm and we can visually see them.You do realize that manga uses the official map of macrocosm to and you literally have like like 1 or 3 depiction against like 5 to 7 depiction of the universe given by the author,guide and the super manga not to mention the fact the said 1 to 3 depictions also lacks the most important realms of the cosmology and also contradicts previous info from manga about existence of a dark expanse that contains living beings like yakon and its planet which is further given context about in guide it is a no brainer that what depiction shown is right or wrong
 
Hasty12345 said:
Not literally, but the best scans for infinite universes say that the observable universe is surrounded by infinite darkness, how is that depicted in Super? Because as far as I can tell, no such darkness is even artistically portrayed.
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Which is why using that view may be misleading imho, infinite universe or not.
Hasty12345 said:
All evidence towards the size of the universe in DBS says the universe is finite, and all evidence saying it is infinite comes from secondary canon sources originating from many years ago, it's very easy to see how they're retconned given direct confirmation of universes being finite in both anime and manga of super.
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Wait, doesn't the super manga use the actual macrocosm model?
 
Make a crt where we can't comment, hide behind the teams so we don't give solid arguments, complete a crt without any problems and with help from the administrators.
 
people always forget they can ask for permission for a post

I didn't want to deal with yet another 20 page long thread of constant back and forth between several different members at once..........there was no need for that in the past threads, staff even called out people for doing it, blame the people who made the past threads nearly incomprehensible messes, not me 🤷‍♂️
 
omegabronic said:
people always forget they can ask for permission for a post

I didn't want to deal with yet another 20 page long thread of constant back and forth between several different members at once..........there was no need for that in the past threads, staff even called out people for doing it, blame the people who made the past threads nearly incomprehensible messes, not me 🤷‍♂️
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Don't worry it won't take long there are already 3 mods in agreement with the thread
 
Killerdrone123 said:
Yes even if the universes get downgrade to low 2c we would still have low 1c timeline cause there are also time dimension statements in manga to

Which could also be used for 2c universes
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are there? most of the Low 1-C blog uses Toei continuity scans for the arguments, at the very least it would need to be remade with a new proposal/rework worth of its own thread imo
 
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