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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

If I had a nickel for everytime someone says Goku didn't get stronger and was just getting more skilled, experienced and mastered his transformations I would have 3 nickles, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened thrice.
 
BlastX said:
If I had a nickel for everytime someone says Goku didn't get stronger and was just getting more skilled, experienced and mastered his transformations I would have 3 nickles, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened thrice.
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I mean, even if feats deny that, it has been stated several times that Goku and Vegeta reached their peak and couldn't get stronger anymore.

Though they supposedly stopped getting Zenkais since Frieza Saga
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Luffy, two things.
  1. Firstly, Zamasu only discovered Goku through GodTube after the events of the Tournament of Destroyers.
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Yeah. This is also part of why Zamasu needed the Time Ring. The Super Dragon Balls had JUST been used in the Tournament, so to skip the cooldown period he took the Time Ring and went into the Future. This means the body Black has a year older than our Goku's (plus the time Zamasu spent in it terrorizing Trunks' timeline). Given the Tournament of Power happens and the Super Dragon Balls have naturally come off cooldown (meaning a year has passed) his body has either gone through the Tournament of Power or was just about to. Considering we see Goku farming in the USS in Epi 77, you can easily headcanon it was this moment. Regardless, yeah, Black has to "slowly" accrue the power he has across the arc, so there isn't an inconsistency because him not having abilities from the ToP or after would either be he hasn't mastered the body yet or his body is from shortly before that moment if you assume he really did "master" Goku's body like he claimed.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
The potential of earthlings is insignificant.
Goku and Vegeta peaked at Buu Saga-levels before they achieved God forms which requires either a specific ritual requiring good saiyans or training with a deity like Whis.
Cell can't achieve Ultra Instinct or Ultra Ego because he lacks God Ki and lacks the hard training and lifetime of physical conditioning that Goku has.
So the only characters with potential relevant here are Freeza and King Cold. And Freeza's mutation is just Cold's but better.

In short Cell is a guy with Freeza's potential mixed in with Zenkai boosts and Regeneration. However Goku, Gohan and Vegeta all have statements of reaching Zenkai limits in the manga so Cell would reach a similar hard limit eventually. Leaving him with just being Freeza with regeneration. I guess some Goku techniques like Instant Transmission and maybe Kaio-Ken.

If he trained and could achieve forms like Freeza does then I guess he could achieve a Black Cell form after years and years of training like Freeza did but whether or not Kaio-Ken can stack with Black is completely unknown.

So in the end Cell pretty much just becomes Freeza with IT and Regeneration. Hey wait a second...
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Given gohan beast and orange piccolo I vastly disagree on freiza being the only relevant party. Even rage trunks implies all sayains (or at least our half sayains) do have the potental to reach godly levels even without God ki.
 
RedReaper616 said:
Yeah. This is also part of why Zamasu needed the Time Ring. The Super Dragon Balls had JUST been used in the Tournament, so to skip the cooldown period he took the Time Ring and went into the Future. This means the body Black has a year older than our Goku's (plus the time Zamasu spent in it terrorizing Trunks' timeline). Given the Tournament of Power happens and the Super Dragon Balls have naturally come off cooldown (meaning a year has passed) his body has either gone through the Tournament of Power or was just about to. Considering we see Goku farming in the USS in Epi 77, you can easily headcanon it was this moment. Regardless, yeah, Black has to "slowly" accrue the power he has across the arc, so there isn't an inconsistency because him not having abilities from the ToP or after would either be he hasn't mastered the body yet or his body is from shortly before that moment if you assume he really did "master" Goku's body like he claimed.
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The ToP only happened due to Goku going there to remind Zeno of it, and due to the 2 Zenos, after the Black Arc, which was never completed in the timeline where Black stole his body as, after Goku went there to investigate Zamasu, instead of the normal events we saw, Zamasu was able to kill gowasu and then time travel, therefore we can't say that this Goku went through the ToP or that it was even close to, it is too different from the main timeline already
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
I mean, even if feats deny that, it has been stated several times that Goku and Vegeta reached their peak and couldn't get stronger anymore.

Though they supposedly stopped getting Zenkais since Frieza Saga
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Yeah but these people argue Goku hasn't gotten any stronger since the freezer arc.
 
Omegabronic said:
The ToP only happened due to Goku going there to remind Zeno of it, and due to the 2 Zenos, after the Black Arc, which was never completed in the timeline where Black stole his body as, after Goku went there to investigate Zamasu, instead of the normal events we saw, Zamasu was able to kill gowasu and then time travel, therefore we can't say that this Goku went through the ToP or that it was even close to, it is too different from the main timeline already
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The two Zenos had nothing to do with that decision. It was specifically because Goku was reminded me of it by Beerus. Something that only happened because Goku “got rusty,” off-screen. Which, by your logic, since Black didn't happen in that Timeline, would happen sooner.
 
BlastX said:
Yeah but these people argue Goku hasn't gotten any stronger since the freezer arc.
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Dragojbball Multiverse authors thinks Gokus base form isn't stronger then Freiza end of z lol and they can't surpass Ultimate Gohan
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
I mean, even if feats deny that, it has been stated several times that Goku and Vegeta reached their peak and couldn't get stronger anymore.
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Also Grand Priest should not be “DBS Anime”/“DBS Manga”, it should just be “Anime” and “Manga”. Same for Goku Black’s profile and Jiren’s
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Why are they "Son Goku (Classic Toei)" and "Son Goku (Toei)" instead of, like, "Son Goku (DB Anime)" and "Son Goku (DBZ Anime)"?
Like the Dragon Ball Super pages? Also, "Classic Toei"?
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Cause no one bother with naming i suppose. Also didn't Toei Goku involved both Anime and Movies??, name him DBZ Anime do not make sense

And classic anime probably because people used to address Toei original anime like that, this also happened with Sailor Moon
 
Darkmon_cns said:
Well that's silly
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One of them cause they didn't want the others to be stronger than freezer.

Another one used the Kili conversion to argue Goku remained at the same level.

The other was just throwing it as a suggestion in a forum a while ago while discussing Super Saiyan Multipliers.
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
I mean, even if feats deny that, it has been stated several times that Goku and Vegeta reached their peak and couldn't get stronger anymore.

Though they supposedly stopped getting Zenkais since Frieza Saga
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It's not that they can't get stronger or that Zenkai's don't work anymore. The benefits are just smaller because they've hit certain ceilings.
 
RinneItachi said:
It's not that they can't get stronger or that Zenkai's don't work anymore. The benefits are just smaller because they've hit certain ceilings.
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Yeah, but it's not only about Zenkais.

The lattest arcs, specially Cell Max, seemed to imply that they hit their ceiling of power level, and that all they can do now is improve their Ki control to reach a higher level like Jiren's.
 
Darkmon_cns said:
Given gohan beast and orange piccolo I vastly disagree on freiza being the only relevant party. Even rage trunks implies all sayains (or at least our half sayains) do have the potental to reach godly levels even without God ki.
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I have to question if Cell even has Gohan's DNA, given that Cell never illustrates any sort of latent potential or ability to rage boost like what Gohan has. As well as considering the Saiyan DNA that Gero collected was from the Saiyan Saga. He may have discarded Gohan as some irrelevant toddler inferior to his father's own genetic sample.

Even if I say that Cell definitely has Gohan's potential...what does that change? He has no means of getting the Ultimate state and there's nothing indicating he can achieve Beast either given he seems to lack the rage power that Gohan has.

Piccolo only got Orange via Shenron.

As for Rage Trunks I never said that Cell couldn't hit God-levels. I'm just suggesting that his options for reaching the heights of Ultra Instinct-level fighters is extremely limited and he'd likely need to train a lot to get up there.

So the only relevant possible character is maybe Gohan. And I doubt Cell even has Gohan cells. If he does he doesn't appear to have Gohan's rage or latent potential. And he certainly has no Elder Kai ritual going for him.

In my mind Cell could probably hit 2-C powers pretty fast. He can get huge death Zenkais to power up to a certain limit and he definitely has Freeza cells in him that should let him train quickly. The problem is that all of the routes to Ultra Instinct-level power are locked to him. He can't get God Ki on his own, he has no access to a HTC that he can freely use to train in for 10 years, it's doubtful he can access Shenron to wish for power, he can't do the Elder Kai's ritual to become Ultimate Cell and whether or not he could even develop forms like Golden, Black or Beast is very debatable.

If Cell lacks the ability to create higher forms, draw out his potential or become a God then I'm inclined to think he'd only be relative to Base Freeza. Because DBS focuses on giving characters unique routes (UI, UE, Beast, Orange, Black) that are about each character's development and were achieved under very specific conditions that Cell cannot easily replicate. So if Cell were to return and get a UI-level power up he'd need something unique for himself.
 
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