(NEEDS VOTES) Me questioning how a monster lost to a Capy (Lauren (Slender: The Eight Pages) vs The Rake)

[H3110l12345I20]

Let me get this straight, The Rake lost to Jesse cuz he's a hardened criminal despite the "oof yourself" hax, and the Rake lost to a Capy because it's only AP feat is killing a child? I would see why Lauren wouldn't do well unlike Jesse, but a Capy? A monster of the Rake's stature and bodily weaponry would be more than capable of killing a regular person. This thread is here to somewhat prove that. I'll give Lauren a couple of advantages and a story just to make things more fair for her.

Story+conditions in bold

• Waking up after a chase from the Slenderman, she pushes herself off the ground, turns her head around her, and absorbs in her surroundings. She sees a page on a tree left by Kate (along with others, warning her of another skinny, scary, sinister entity).
• With Kate's insane writings, she mentions the entity is taller than her probing her for information before threatening her viciously. Lauren feels that the Rake has been recently here... too recent... Lauren has basic knowledge of the Rake's Tactics and has 5 min of preparation, speed is equal.

Protag with plot armor so thick she has too much durability for gameplay purposes:

This is why we don't threaten others: 2 due his reasoning here (noninho, Vyfourthaccount,

They both die of boredom (incon):

I would like to point out the main thing of contention would be if the Rake's piercing goodies are enough to kill her, along with if Lauren could push through the Rake's fear+mind manip. Hope this actually works since Lauren has absolutely no canon combat exp besides her tanking Kate's attacks.

 

[AThe1412]

Don't underestimate the Capy. It defeated Heisenberg the Animal Killer. Also, Jesse being a hardened criminal was just one of the reasons. He has prior knowledge of Rake so he knows what to expect when it threatens him, that he's actually stronger and can just beat the shit out of it. Keep in mind that all of its victims are relatively normal people who are obviously afraid of the supernatural.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Don't underestimate the Capy. It defeated Heisenberg the Animal Killer. Also, Jesse being a hardened criminal was just one of the reasons. He has prior knowledge of Rake so he knows what to expect when it threatens him, that he's actually stronger and can just beat the shit out of it. Keep in mind that all of its victims are relatively normal people who are obviously afraid of the supernatural.

Speaking of negative opinions and victims afraid of the supernatural, is this really fair for Lauren? I know she's a weak combatant and she briefly survived slendy after getting the eight pages, but in contrast, is the Rake capable of piercing her?

 

[AThe1412]

Speaking of negative opinions and victims afraid of the supernatural, is this really fair for Lauren? I know she's a weak combatant and she briefly survived slendy after getting the eight pages, but in contrast, is the Rake capable of piercing her?

Probably. Its claws could honestly be possibly 9-C as badly injuring a child to the point where blood is spilled all over it and leading to death seems a bit too much for something that's only 10-B.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Probably. Its claws could honestly be possibly 9-C as badly injuring a child to the point where blood is spilled all over it and leading to death seems a bit too much for something that's only 10-B.

I'm having a feeling the Rake has more versatility here. It technically has an edge in mental combat toughness and combat exp even though any 10-B girl under SBA is capable of badly injuring a child. And it has supernatural hax.

Although Lauren does have some stamina and prior knowledge to counter the Rake's hax, the primary thing both combatants will fight on is physical. Any counterarguments?

 

[AThe1412]

I'm having a feeling the Rake has more versatility here. It technically has an edge in mental combat toughness and combat exp even though any 10-B girl under SBA is capable of badly injuring a child. And it has supernatural hax.

Although Lauren does have some stamina and prior knowledge to counter the Rake's hax, the primary thing both combatants will fight on is physical. Any counterarguments?

Well, Lauren's durability is still higher while Rake is 10-B so I think she'll have an easier time hurting it than it hurting her. If she can endure Slendy's maddening hax for quite some time then I doubt Rake can do much to stop her from fighting.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Well, Lauren's durability is still higher while Rake is 10-B so I think she'll have an easier time hurting it than it hurting her. If she can endure Slendy's maddening hax for quite some time then I doubt Rake can do much to stop her from fighting.

Voting her?

 

[AThe1412]

Voting her?

Yeah.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Counted

 

[AThe1412]

Tang Sanzang (A Chinese Odyssey)

Tang Sanzang is one of the characters of A Chinese Odyssey series. Tier: 10-B physically, 9-B with Bomb Name: Tang Sanzang[1] Origin: A Chinese Odyssey Gender: Male[1] Age: Unknown Classification: Human, Monk Powers and Abilities: Social Influencing (Tang Sanzang is infamous for his compulsive...

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Throw Rake at this man. LowTierGod ah match.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Tang Sanzang (A Chinese Odyssey)

Tang Sanzang is one of the characters of A Chinese Odyssey series. Tier: 10-B physically, 9-B with Bomb Name: Tang Sanzang[1] Origin: A Chinese Odyssey Gender: Male[1] Age: Unknown Classification: Human, Monk Powers and Abilities: Social Influencing (Tang Sanzang is infamous for his compulsive...

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Throw Rake at this man. LowTierGod ah match.

Done: https://vsbattles.com/threads/ah-ye...encing-fight-the-rake-vs-tang-sanzang.173872/

 

[McFriesGuy075]

Lauren fra

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Counted your vote

 

[ShockingPsychic]

lauren fra

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Counted

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Lauren FRA

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Counted

 

[Nonynho]

how has she (from what i saw above) tanked slender's hax and none of that is listed on her profile? for how long can she do that? let's remember that despite the Rake being kinda animalistic, he does psychological sh** for multiple days, for some of his victims.
from what i got from the profile, the rake actually takes this easily via hax

 

[H3110l12345I20]

how has she (from what i saw above) tanked slender's hax and none of that is listed on her profile? for how long can she do that? let's remember that despite the Rake being kinda animalistic, he does psychological sh** for multiple days, for some of his victims.
from what i got from the profile, the rake actually takes this easily via hax

If you played the game or watched a full playthrough, there is nothing to suggests she resists Slendy's hax, otherwise I would've put it in her profile. She just endures it like any normal person.

Lauren has survived Slenderman's hax without succumbing to becoming a proxy with her determination. And assuming only recorded footage in-Canon with her, she's known Slender boi for at least 3 days. And since the Rake's hax takes a lot of time, it's not going to be too relevant in a real fight

 

[Nonynho]

If you played the game or watched a full playthrough, there is nothing to suggests she resists Slendy's hax, otherwise I would've put it in her profile. She just endures it like any normal person.

Lauren has survived Slenderman's hax without succumbing to becoming a proxy with her determination. And assuming only recorded footage in-Canon with her, she's known Slender boi for at least 3 days. And since the Rake's hax takes a lot of time, it's not going to be too relevant in a real fight

Rake's haxes don't take a long time

all i said is that he can use it for a long time and it's usually what he does - stays away from the person using his fear haxes+stealth mastery up until the person commits suicide or leaves his territory (sidenote: usually he does this several meters apart from his victims, so it should be added to his range)

voting for him

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Rake's haxes don't take a long time

all i said is that he can use it for a long time and it's usually what he does - stays away from the person using his fear haxes+stealth mastery up until the person commits suicide or leaves his territory (sidenote: usually he does this several meters apart from his victims, so it should be added to his range)

voting for him

Loll. Tell that to @Fallen_Angelicx and he'll just say the Gardening tool monster would act on its animal instincts and close SBA range to try to kill a person under SBA.

You can ignore the previous paragraph since it's instincts are geared for hax and shyness, not physical violence as far as what I've heard about his canon. Lauren can still stun the Rake in thr eyes with her flashlight mildly to try to close the gap. She has no other option but to fight under SBA unless she's encouraged to run by the animal.

But I digress, Lauren has never dealt with the type of hax the Rake has and even if she attempted to fight it, she would eventually flee knowing her experience with monsters

 

[AThe1412]

You know, I don't see anything on the profile suggesting that Rake is instantly inducing fear into its victims with its mere presence like how most people interpret it, rather it uses the human fear of the supernatural to its advantage to scare them and once it accumulates enough over the course of multiple days, it tells them to screw off or self-delete. Basically, its fear and mind hax are borderline social influencing.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

You know, I don't see anything on the profile suggesting that Rake is instantly inducing fear into its victims with its mere presence like how most people interpret it, rather it uses the human fear of the supernatural to its advantage to scare them and once it accumulates enough over the course of multiple days, it tells them to screw off or self-delete. Basically, its fear and mind hax are borderline social influencing.

Which is what I have been saying for the longest time. "Hax" debates against the Rake usually ignore this.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

You know, I don't see anything on the profile suggesting that Rake is instantly inducing fear into its victims with its mere presence like how most people interpret it, rather it uses the human fear of the supernatural to its advantage to scare them and once it accumulates enough over the course of multiple days, it tells them to screw off or self-delete. Basically, its fear and mind hax are borderline social influencing.

NGL, I should read the OG story. If it yakes this long for his hax to kill, that up turns previous people's points of hax somewhat.

Slender dude in Lauren's canon used his hax to not kill, but to make proxies, while the Rake uses hax to deter or make ppl oof themselves. Slender boi has made people off themselves before with his hax anyways over the course of days as seen in Carl Ross and Charlie's dad.

All in all, the Rake would likely either attack Lauren or try to scare her off. The latter may backfire by your reasoning. I could imagine the thing trying to threaten her dignity only for him to have light sinned in his eyes and to get hit by a girl.

 

[Nonynho]

i don't think it'd be that simple, as that guy is being doing this scaring thing for centuries

 

[AThe1412]

i don't think it'd be that simple, as that guy is being doing this scaring thing for centuries

Centuries against normal folks who are afraid of monsters and can't fight.

 

[Nonynho]

Centuries against normal folks who are afraid of monsters and can't fight.

this one can't fight and is literally stated to suffer from the effects of finding another monster

Weaknesses: Standard human weaknesses; despite her determination to find Kate, she still suffers the effects of Slenderman's maddening abilities.

the only thing she can do is, if the rake doesn't screw her head enough and come close (which is something he's never done before, via reading the minds of his victims and knowing how they are/what they fear losing the most), she hits him with the lantern and he dies. Also it was mentioned above that she'd flee, so that's even more improbable

even if she attempted to fight it, she would eventually flee knowing her experience with monsters

 

[Nonynho]

(i'm making a CRT rn about Rake's range btw)

 

[AThe1412]

(i'm making a CRT rn about Rake's range btw)

1. Having to be at the foot of someone's bed for his hax to work is definitely not several meters.
2. His "hax" is him intimidating and scaring the crap out of people. Range doesn't really apply to that. If someone saw him from a hundred meters away and got scared, would his range be hundreds of meters?

 

[Nonynho]

1. Having to be at the foot of someone's bed for his hax to work is definitely not several meters.
2. His "hax" is him intimidating and scaring the crap out of people. Range doesn't really apply to that. If someone saw him from a hundred meters away and got scared, would his range be hundreds of meters?

i'm gathering evidence for Several Meters and the main one is that the guy simply was not in the room where people suffered the influence of his fear haxes

 

[AThe1412]

i'm gathering evidence for Several Meters and the main one is that the guy simply was not in the room where people suffered the influence of his fear haxes

If someone scared the crap out of me then left the room, I would still be scared of them.

 

[Nonynho]

Or maybe he's using his projecting stuff from outside of the room..?

 

[AThe1412]

Or maybe he's using his projecting stuff from outside of the room..?

What projecting?

 

[Nonynho]

What projecting?

i mean making people see his eyes, hear his voice, etc

 

[AThe1412]

i mean making people see his eyes, hear his voice, etc

Nothing really suggests that he wasn't in the same room as them. Also, I just realized Rake's telepathy justification doesn't make sense. If they heard his voice then wouldn't that just mean that he talked to them, you know, with his mouth? Nothing hinting that he has telepathy.

 

[Nonynho]

Nothing really suggests that he wasn't in the same room as them. Also, I just realized Rake's telepathy justification doesn't make sense. If they heard his voice then wouldn't that just mean that he talked to them, you know, with his mouth? Nothing hinting that he has telepathy.

some stories leave it like the victims heard the voices in their minds like the eyes people see too
and heard his voice without seeing him

 

[AThe1412]

some stories leave it like the victims heard the voices in their minds like the eyes people see too
and heard his voice without seeing him

We can't really assume that he wasn't there both due to lack of concrete evidence and the fact that most of the info we have about him comes from traumatized victims.

 

[Nonynho]

if i were to get scared af by apparently a creature telling me in my dreams to leave or die
through multiple days
i'd remember if i only had a sensation or if i saw the creature
and there's no actual reason for why would only in 2006 we get a time where he appears and attacks
and ever since the 12th century he's there in the room and doesn't kill the people he's affecting

meaning only in that occasion (and maybe in others where there's no survivors) he was actually in the room, and in the other tales/"excerpts" he was in the house but not in the same room in the victims

 

[AThe1412]

if i were to get scared af by apparently a creature telling me in my dreams to leave or die
through multiple days
i'd remember if i only had a sensation or if i saw the creature
and there's no actual reason for why would only in 2006 we get a time where he appears and attacks
and ever since the 12th century he's there in the room and doesn't kill the people he's affecting

meaning only in that occasion (and maybe in others where there's no survivors) he was actually in the room, and in the other tales/"excerpts" he was in the house but not in the same room in the victims

Maybe I'm just stupid or something but I can't understand what you're trying to say here.

 

[Nonynho]

Maybe I'm just stupid or something but I can't understand what you're trying to say here.

i can try again tho