Chainsaw Man: Why in the hell did they get away with this?

[DaReaperMan]

Oh this is going to be hellish for me, huh...

so! This calc. Nothing wrong with it, really... just who it's scaled to.

This is a CRT, and it uses this scan, and This scan proves the point I'm going to make...

You don't scale to something that ***** you up like this. If someone broke your arm, you don't ******' scale to the feat that broke said arm and fingers and literally forced you to regenerate in order to even begin to keep fighting!

this is endurance, nuff said...

as for what to replace this with? there's an 8-C scaling I saw that I didn't see anything egregious with, so just use that.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Yeah... Not sure how this was accepted. I agree.

 

[Damage3245]

The OP makes sense to me.

 

[Da3ggman]

Seems good to be, axe it.

Or would it be chainsaw it?

 

[Agnaa]

I actually kinda disagree, you just need to be very very careful with the scaling, and with applying that Durability value in a fight.

If an attack breaks your bones, leaves you crawling around, and you can still move a little bit, you did withstand the attack. But characters won't scale to that durability value unless they can also break your bones to a similar or greater extent. And if you're in a match, characters with that level of AP will put you in a similar state with one blow.

You may want to include two durability values, one which they can handle with ease, and one "at most" value which leaves their bones broken. But on principle, I don't think it should be removed entirely.

I think as long as the attack doesn't, like, remove/obliterate the part of the body it contacted, it can work as a durability feat.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I actually kinda disagree, you just need to be very very careful with the scaling, and with applying that Durability value in a fight.

If an attack breaks your bones, leaves you crawling around, and you can still move a little bit, you did withstand the attack. But characters won't scale to that durability value unless they can also break your bones to a similar or greater extent. And if you're in a match, characters with that level of AP will put you in a similar state with one blow.

You may want to include two durability values, one which they can handle with ease, and one "at most" value which leaves their bones broken. But on principle, I don't think it should be removed entirely.

I think as long as the attack doesn't, like, remove/obliterate the part of the body it contacted, it can work as a durability feat.

So kind of like how the M1 Freebrams is treated in it's durability section?

 

[That_moron2]

Following

 

[Hypertornado099]

I agree with Agnaa, but I feel like this may be a problem with many verses in general

But characters won't scale to that durability value unless they can also break your bones to a similar or greater extent

especially this ^

 

[Agnaa]

So kind of like how the M1 Freebrams is treated in it's durability section?

Not really, since that's about a calc for full material destruction, the source is kinda different, and so is how it's indexed. The example I know of (due to making it) is Koyomi Araragi's second key.

I agree with Agnaa, but I feel like this may be a problem with many verses in general

especially this ^

Yeah, but there's also some verses that do it correctly. So one step at a time ig.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Not really, since that's about a calc for full material destruction, the source is kinda different, and so is how it's indexed. The example I know of (due to making it) is Koyomi Araragi's second key.

I'd prefer to list the durability the character is usually at as well, admittedly, so we'd have 8-C, at most High 8-C(or a vary tier from 8-C to At most High 8-C)

 

[ElajRuengies]

Yeah that's fine, don't tag literally any of the Verse supporters while axing a Calculation that a fifth of the Verse scales to, that's totally fine. Especially not when we're in the middle of a CRT that's rescaling LITERALLY THE ENTIRE VERSE, that just stalled because I need to kill six-billion demons gather nine-billion scans.

Also the Building level shtick that you think would replace it isn't even the most up to date version of the calc, which is Small Building level+.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yeah that's fine, don't tag literally any of the Verse supporters while axing a Calculation that a fifth of the Verse scales to, that's totally fine. Especially not when we're in the middle of a CRT that's rescaling LITERALLY THE ENTIRE VERSE, that just stalled because I need to gather nine-billion scans.

There's a reason this isn't applied yet

Also the Building level shtick that you think would replace it isn't even the most up to date version of the calc, which is Small Building level+.

And is there alternative scaling to that?

 

[ElajRuengies]

There's a reason this isn't applied yet

And is there alternative scaling to that?

Backscaling Beginning Hybrid Denji from the V. Frag end (807 kg) to baseline Building level (250 kg of TNT), which kinda lines up with Weakened Hybrid Denji eating seven 134.094 kg hits from Cockroach. The original calc didn't divide by seven and just treated the whole barrage like one big hit.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Backscaling Beginning Hybrid Denji from the V. Frag end (807 kg) to baseline Building level (250 kg of TNT), which kinda lines up with Weakened Hybrid Denji eatiing seven 134.094 kg hits from Cockroach. The original calc didn't divide by seven and just treated the whole barrage like one big hit.

Should I update my OP with that, or do you want to like.. merge the CRTs or something?

 

[ElajRuengies]

Should I update my OP with that, or do you want to like.. merge the CRTs or something?

Merge would be better- I can just edit the AP Scaling in the Mega CRT to say 250 kg instead of 807 kg of TNT. It wouldn't get the instant Mod Support this one got but there's not much point in applying this one change by itself.

 

[Agnaa]

Merge would be better- I can just edit the AP Scaling in the Mega CRT to say 250 kg instead of 807 kg of TNT. It wouldn't get the instant Mod Support this one got but there's not much point in applying this one change by itself.

The one FRA and one rejection? :V

 

[ElajRuengies]

The one FRA and one rejection? :V

I've got eight tabs open, three of them are Splatoon Fanfiction, and only two eyes. Mistakes will be made.

 

[GunshyFever]

You don't scale to something that ***** you up like this. If someone broke your arm, you don't ******' scale to the feat that broke said arm and fingers and literally forced you to regenerate in order to even begin to keep fighting!

That’s exactly why he downscales. Denji was hit by an attack that covered his entire body from head to toe, whilst already being extremely low on blood, barely enough to even transform into Chainsaw Man. Because his regeneration wasn’t fully effective or likely failed, it indicates that the state we were shown after the blast was likely how he looked after receiving the attack, or just enough blood to get back his chainsaw's, which retracted due to him being low on blood. Moreover, if someone were to hit Denji with that same amount of power concentrated in one area similar to a punch, the damage might not be as extensive as what we saw in the manga. I just want to make it clear that I’m not on board with the changes all.

I believe the value is fine as is.

 

[ElajRuengies]

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On one hand, I like how the number 807 kg looks with all the others, but on the other hand not having that "At most" before Building level would be nice...

Tangential note but, for VS Battle purposes, is there any functional difference between scaling to At Most 807 kg and scaling to 250 kg?

 

[GunshyFever]

On one hand, I like how the number 807 kg looks with all the others, but on the other hand not having that "At most" before Building level would be nice...

I like it tbh.

Tangential note but, for VS Battle purposes, is there any functional difference between scaling to At Most 807 kg and scaling to 250 kg?

One is equal to, but downscales from 807 kg and one is 3x weaker.

 

[DaReaperMan]

That’s exactly why he downscales. Denji was hit by an attack that covered his entire body from head to toe, whilst already being extremely low on blood, barely enough to even transform into Chainsaw Man. Because his regeneration wasn’t fully effective or likely failed, it indicates that the state we were shown after the blast was likely how he looked after receiving the attack, or just enough blood to get back his chainsaw's, which retracted due to him being low on blood. Moreover, if someone were to hit Denji with that same amount of power concentrated in one area similar to a punch, the damage might not be as extensive as what we saw in the manga. I just want to make it clear that I’m not on board with the changes all.

I believe the value is fine as is.

I guess Denji scales to someone who put their fist through his entire body next, huh? you need proof he can tank it at full strength, we do not assume.

You'd have "Small Building level+ (Justification) At most Building level (Justification, and requirements to scale to it)", or if 8-C is actually a think, it'd be "at most higher"

 

[GunshyFever]

I guess Denji scales to someone who put their fist through his entire body next, huh? you need proof he can tank it at full strength, we do not assume.

What Agnaa said still holds weight. Denji would still downscale to the value regardless of his bones being broken. Not only that, but the attack merely twisted his arm and broke his fingers, despite the force of the attack covering his entire body. I wonder if the time he was exposed to the attack would count as well considering once the attack reached the buildings behind him they were instantly violently fragmented, compared to Denji who was initially alright in the first few seconds of the attack.

 

[ElajRuengies]

I wonder if the time he was exposed to the attack would count as well considering once the attack reached the buildings behind him they were instantly violently fragmented, compared to Denji who was initially alright in the first few seconds of the attack.

Actually a longer timeframe is bad, since the AP isn't multiplied over several seconds, but rather spread out over several seconds.

I'm fine with just downscaling Denji to baseline Building level. Doesn't make a visual difference on the profile anyway besides removing the At Most.

 

[DaReaperMan]

What Agnaa said still holds weight. Denji would still downscale to the value regardless of his bones being broken. Not only that, but the attack merely twisted his arm and broke his fingers, despite the force of the attack covering his entire body. I wonder if the time he was exposed to the attack would count as well considering once the attack reached the buildings behind him they were instantly violently fragmented, compared to Denji who was initially alright in the first few seconds of the attack.

I actually kinda disagree, you just need to be very very careful with the scaling, and with applying that Durability value in a fight.

If an attack breaks your bones, leaves you crawling around, and you can still move a little bit, you did withstand the attack. But characters won't scale to that durability value unless they can also break your bones to a similar or greater extent. And if you're in a match, characters with that level of AP will put you in a similar state with one blow.

You may want to include two durability values, one which they can handle with ease, and one "at most" value which leaves their bones broken. But on principle, I don't think it should be removed entirely.

I think as long as the attack doesn't, like, remove/obliterate the part of the body it contacted, it can work as a durability feat.

I am following what agnaa said, providing two durability values with an at most rating.

His AP still wouldn't scale, but his durability would be set up with the suggestion of two values

 

[GunshyFever]

His AP still wouldn't scale, but his durability would be set up with the suggestion of two values

Ah, I get the logistics of it now. However, his AP would definitely scale. Why? Because of fear scaling. His strength and durability are empowered on the same level. Not to mention that his chainsaws are stronger than his primary body and posses piercing damage.

 

[ElajRuengies]

I am following what agnaa said, providing two durability values with an at most rating.

His AP still wouldn't scale, but his durability would be set up with the suggestion of two values

Ah, I get the logistics of it now. However, his AP would definitely scale. Why? Because of fear scaling. His strength and durability are empowered on the same level. Not to mention that his chainsaws are stronger than his primary body and posses piercing damage.

I feel like this is being made more complicated than it should be.

Post-Weakening Chainsaw Man knocking Cockroach on its ass and also eating its barrage [9-A+], while Initial Chainsaw Man was forced to regenerate after getting hit with his portion of Bat's Sonic Attack [Solidly into 8-C], means Hybrid Denji can just be baseline 8-C in both stats. Noting that an attack over 3x stronger would break his bones is kinda just implied with that.

 

[ElajRuengies]

Alright, finally got the scans in- going by backscaling for the reasons brought up above.

Thread 'Chainsaw Man: The Mega CRT'

Jan 25, 2025

Part 0: Fear Scaling

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This is just a minor addition to the page, but note that Fear Scaling only applies to a Devil's physicals, not special abilities. To be more specific, the physicals of a more fearsome Devil do not inherently scale above the special abilities of a less fearsome Devil. There are many cases where special abilities are dramatically stronger than their physicals, such as-

• Bat's Sonic Attack
• Typhoon's Storm
• Angel's Weaponry
• Blood Devil Power's Blood Manipulation
• Weakened Falling's Gravitational Wave
• Yoru's Gun Goddess

-so...

• ElajRuengies
• aki hayakawa chainsaw devil chainsaw man denji (chainsaw man) kishibe makima power (chainsaw man) quanxi reze war fiend (asa mitaka)
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[DaReaperMan]

Alright, finally got the scans in- going by backscaling for the reasons brought up above.

Thread 'Chainsaw Man: The Mega CRT'

Jan 25, 2025

Part 0: Fear Scaling

---

This is just a minor addition to the page, but note that Fear Scaling only applies to a Devil's physicals, not special abilities. To be more specific, the physicals of a more fearsome Devil do not inherently scale above the special abilities of a less fearsome Devil. There are many cases where special abilities are dramatically stronger than their physicals, such as-

• Bat's Sonic Attack
• Typhoon's Storm
• Angel's Weaponry
• Blood Devil Power's Blood Manipulation
• Weakened Falling's Gravitational Wave
• Yoru's Gun Goddess

-so...

• ElajRuengies
• aki hayakawa chainsaw devil chainsaw man denji (chainsaw man) kishibe makima power (chainsaw man) quanxi reze war fiend (asa mitaka)
• Replies: 270
• Forum: Content Revision

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I fully agree with this.

 

[ElajRuengies]

I fully agree with this.

Then say so in the thread.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Then say so in the thread.

I won't just because you asked me to

 

[ElajRuengies]

I won't just because you asked me to

My sincerest apologies. Could you please say so in the thread?