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Funny Valentine vs Reid Astrea
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Even if diavolo could attack during his time skip, he couldn’t damage regulus.
Maybe switch him with Funny Valentine and try to find out how paradoxical erasure interacts with time stasis.
Maybe switch him with Funny Valentine and try to find out how paradoxical erasure interacts with time stasis.
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Nuhuh, what time statis can do when time itself don't exist?
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Diavolo can't attack during time skip and even if he could, Regulus has 7-A durability.
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Idk shit about this dude but how well does this dude cope with 2-A BFR
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He doesn't. Regulus is unskilled human that is hard-carried by his invincibility hax, so there is nothing stopping Funny from BFRing him. Granted, it might be a bit hard at first since the battlefield takes place in the middle of Central Park per SBA but it likely won't take him too long to find something to cover him up; granted, if Funny just kills Regulus' harem, that likely spawns in the middle of Central Park with him as they are "standard equipment" and are just a bunch of powerless 10-B women, he cripples Regulus' combat ability and essentially forces him to only use his ability for 5 seconds at a time lest he risk a sheer heart attack.
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It's LT tho, he basically has a giant wall that absorbs, annihilates and BFR's everything around him. They even say about a good 100km^2 got banished by LT including animals, people, villages, etc.
If he doesn't have an effective counter to LT passively ejecting things away, people included
This is doubly bad tho because Funny BFR can go up to 2-A.
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Huh, I got hit by the reading comprehension curse. I thought this was Base!Funny, lol.
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Well regardless, this dude really don't have a way to get past Funny's main gimmick?
can he even hurt Funny? if not this is a stomp
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Turtle in a diff dimension.dawg what can funni valentine do against 5-C conceptual manip and EE
If this dude got that interdim range tho, yeah he's kinda ******.
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He doesn't. This is just another mis-match.
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For reference, when it comes to LT Funny. LT is a dimensional gap and in it Funny is very explicitly in a alt dimension. To get him, one must have range or abilities that can cross between dimensions.
Alternatively one can wait till Funny himself must exit and attack him there, but LT has so much passive bullshit he doesn't have to actually leave to begin with to kill someone unless they're protected for some reason.
LT has passive absorption (LT's walls suck things into itself without anyone noticing, this includes the land itself but also people, animals, etc), BFR, transmutation, fusionism (this is how Hot Pants died even, "bad things" like debris, bugs, etc got fused into her body), etc. It's not instant always, but it does happen automatically.
To fight LT at its max potential, one would need a way to hit Funny within, or force him to exit LT to attack, while also having at the very least an answer to BFR. Though if someone does they can usually beat his ass given he's also just like 9-B with an 8-C ghost buddy so it's a tad hard to actually do a fair match.
Alternatively one can wait till Funny himself must exit and attack him there, but LT has so much passive bullshit he doesn't have to actually leave to begin with to kill someone unless they're protected for some reason.
LT has passive absorption (LT's walls suck things into itself without anyone noticing, this includes the land itself but also people, animals, etc), BFR, transmutation, fusionism (this is how Hot Pants died even, "bad things" like debris, bugs, etc got fused into her body), etc. It's not instant always, but it does happen automatically.
To fight LT at its max potential, one would need a way to hit Funny within, or force him to exit LT to attack, while also having at the very least an answer to BFR. Though if someone does they can usually beat his ass given he's also just like 9-B with an 8-C ghost buddy so it's a tad hard to actually do a fair match.
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Would he do that in battles always? And nah he doesn't have it xd
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That's literally all he does in this key. Love Train is a dimensional gap he hides in. That's basically all he can do with LT, while the dimensional wall automatically redirects all misfortune away from Funny.
Johnny had to get a power that could cross dimensional boundaries to rip it open and beat his ass to defeat him.
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Oh lol i thought you've meant the dimension travel ability not LT
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Not only can Reid himself cut through dimensions, he upscales from Priscilla who also slashed down an alternate dimension
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Do those slashes resist BFR and transmutation.
If they don't it doesn't even matter, the attacks themselves become completely harmless on contact.
Edit: Also LT is infinitely large within it, the latter scan isn't doing anything, would need High 3-A shit to destroy it.
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conceptual destruction which can destroy all magic in ReZero which yes does include both BFR and transmutation
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To add onto that, as long as Funny is within LT, any and all damage he takes is instantly shifted to someone else, he can't actually be killed while in it. So even if they could attack him within it, if they can't get him out of it or hit him with some unhealable law defying damage that can't be moved, it also wouldn't matter.
For Reid to defeat Funny he needs
1. Multi-dimensional range on his attacks to hit him while in LT.
2. Said attacks to be capable of resisting being transmutated+BFR'd (both happen simultaneously, resisting even just one isn't enough, both need to be accounted for).
3. The attacks need to have some built unhealable/movable damage boon, or un-BFR'able damage, otherwise the damage Funny takes is instantly undone and someone else in the world takes the damage instead (If Funny is harmed outside of LT, and then goes into it, any damage he already took is moved elsewhere too, so kinda hard. Important to note is that the DAMAGE has to be un-BFR'able too, we actually see this explicitly in the very manga. Tusk Act 2's holes can not be BFR'd spatially, they're unaffected by D4C and LT and can even enter LT to touch Funny, but every time they damage Funny, even though they can't be effected, the damage is instantly undone making the fact they can enter it useless and thus Johnny is like I have to figure out a way to hurt him without entering it to begin with (Which he does by having Act 4 rip it open and drag his ass out of LT) before he can dimension hop).
If these 3.5 things accounted for, then hurting Funny in LT shouldn't be a problem, in fact if all of it is accounted for, straight up killing him probably ain't hard given he's fragile as long as it's instant death so he can't body swap, but having all of that on one attack is kinda much.
And this is all with the passive/automatic BFR/Annihilation/Transmutation/Fusionism thing it has going on, so defeat can happen at literally any time, and this is under the assumption Rein doesn't like, swing his sword normally or try to touch LT otherwise he just loses instantly.
Plus being able to destroy magic with those effects, is not the same resisting or being completely unaffected by it, especially given the mechanisms differ at play here, LT isn't magic so if the reason it does so via some anti-magic thing that ain't gonna fly, you need to be more specific, and after you do so, we need to figure out if the resistance is even good enough given we're talking about 2-A BFR and stuff that's 4D in nature.
This is especially bad given in LT's case it's a High 3-A 4D construct, so he's 100% not destroying it unless you're about to argue he has infinite range and is High 3-A, so he isn't doing anything to LT itself. So even if he could hit Funny, the damage inflicted doesn't inherently stay, that also needs to be accounted for.
For Reid to defeat Funny he needs
1. Multi-dimensional range on his attacks to hit him while in LT.
2. Said attacks to be capable of resisting being transmutated+BFR'd (both happen simultaneously, resisting even just one isn't enough, both need to be accounted for).
3. The attacks need to have some built unhealable/movable damage boon, or un-BFR'able damage, otherwise the damage Funny takes is instantly undone and someone else in the world takes the damage instead (If Funny is harmed outside of LT, and then goes into it, any damage he already took is moved elsewhere too, so kinda hard. Important to note is that the DAMAGE has to be un-BFR'able too, we actually see this explicitly in the very manga. Tusk Act 2's holes can not be BFR'd spatially, they're unaffected by D4C and LT and can even enter LT to touch Funny, but every time they damage Funny, even though they can't be effected, the damage is instantly undone making the fact they can enter it useless and thus Johnny is like I have to figure out a way to hurt him without entering it to begin with (Which he does by having Act 4 rip it open and drag his ass out of LT) before he can dimension hop).
If these 3.5 things accounted for, then hurting Funny in LT shouldn't be a problem, in fact if all of it is accounted for, straight up killing him probably ain't hard given he's fragile as long as it's instant death so he can't body swap, but having all of that on one attack is kinda much.
And this is all with the passive/automatic BFR/Annihilation/Transmutation/Fusionism thing it has going on, so defeat can happen at literally any time, and this is under the assumption Rein doesn't like, swing his sword normally or try to touch LT otherwise he just loses instantly.
Not what I asked, and the mechanics of abilities matter. What type of BFR? What type of transmutation?
Plus being able to destroy magic with those effects, is not the same resisting or being completely unaffected by it, especially given the mechanisms differ at play here, LT isn't magic so if the reason it does so via some anti-magic thing that ain't gonna fly, you need to be more specific, and after you do so, we need to figure out if the resistance is even good enough given we're talking about 2-A BFR and stuff that's 4D in nature.
This is especially bad given in LT's case it's a High 3-A 4D construct, so he's 100% not destroying it unless you're about to argue he has infinite range and is High 3-A, so he isn't doing anything to LT itself. So even if he could hit Funny, the damage inflicted doesn't inherently stay, that also needs to be accounted for.
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I think this definitely depends on interpretation.
Every one of Reid's hax abilities comes from his concept manip: Any object he holds becomes a manifestation of the concept of the sword. So his power doesn't change whether his weapon is a holy sword or a wooden chopstick. I'll go through each "stage" of Love Trains defense and see if it can be said that Reid could bypass it.
First is the dimensional barrier of Love Train, existing due to Funny being within a gap in dimensions. Reid has cleaved through space several times and he is stated to be able to casually cut through dimensions, which may work here.
Second is transmutation & BFR (changing attacks into misfortune and sending them elsewhere). It's described as "things that make contact" with LT, but would a concept really be a "thing" that can "make contact"? Or rather, does LT have feats of doing something like that?
Lastly is the unhealable damage requirement. It's stated that anything cut by the concept of the sword will not forget that fact for all eternity (hence why a tiny cut cut on Julius became a permanent scar despite healing magic being a thing).
So interpret it whichever way you want, it doesn't really matter, it's a stomp match either way since either Valentine is invincible or Reid one-shots without trying.
Every one of Reid's hax abilities comes from his concept manip: Any object he holds becomes a manifestation of the concept of the sword. So his power doesn't change whether his weapon is a holy sword or a wooden chopstick. I'll go through each "stage" of Love Trains defense and see if it can be said that Reid could bypass it.
First is the dimensional barrier of Love Train, existing due to Funny being within a gap in dimensions. Reid has cleaved through space several times and he is stated to be able to casually cut through dimensions, which may work here.
Second is transmutation & BFR (changing attacks into misfortune and sending them elsewhere). It's described as "things that make contact" with LT, but would a concept really be a "thing" that can "make contact"? Or rather, does LT have feats of doing something like that?
Lastly is the unhealable damage requirement. It's stated that anything cut by the concept of the sword will not forget that fact for all eternity (hence why a tiny cut cut on Julius became a permanent scar despite healing magic being a thing).
So interpret it whichever way you want, it doesn't really matter, it's a stomp match either way since either Valentine is invincible or Reid one-shots without trying.
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But again, BFR+Transmutation. Just having space cutting is only part of the equation.
Just touching it is a problem, any attacks that touch it are a problem, you can't cleave anything if the very action of cleaving it is turned into misfortune and BFR'd away. Say someone shoots some sort of dimension piercing energy beam at LT, that's cool and all, but the beam is gonna be transmutated and BFR'd away, so even though it can pierce the wall, it doesn't have a way around the passive hax that makes it harmless so it doesn't matter.
It very explicitly works on stands which are purely noncorporal energy that can't be effected by 99% of things, there's even stands that are abstract in nature too, Stands can also interact with intangible embodiments and abstracts so....
Plus LT itself manipulates the flow of fortune (Which, ironically, is a facet of the same thing WoU in Part 8 is an embodiment of) which is a 4D concept in the context of JoJo (as with all fate-related shit), so take that as you will.
I wouldn't say this is a free pass though, it honestly depends on the abstraction or concept in question, how they manifest, etc.
But what does that even mean? Does the attack have a form? Can it be seen? Does it touch stuff? Simply having conceptual hax doesn't make it untouchable or immune to stuff by default, that goes for any verse. If I had a knife that leaves conceptual cuts, that doesn't mean the knife or the action of making that cut can't be affected by things, or even the very conceptual cut itself. It being conceptual doesn't grant resistances by default.
It isn't LT that needs feats of effecting anything here, it's those attacks needing feats showing they're these untouchable non-corporal unaffectable slashes that can't be affected by anything.
The only real ability that automatically grants stuff like that is NEP and void stuff because they lack a form or something to interact with to begin with by virtue of the ability.
How does that stop the BFR aspect though? The damage itself is moved from him to someone else, for example if you blow a hole in Funny's torso, it's instantly moved to someone else who takes that hole instead. It's why I explicitly noted the damage itself needs to be unable to be moved or unaffected by BFR. As LT has very explicit feats of BFR'ing the damage of attacks that weren't effected by the initial BFR.
I don't like this "interpretation" stuff, it either is, or it isn't.
You're right in that it doesn't matter for this match because either way, but for future reference.
Do you have any examples of the conceptual sword slashes? Like why is them being these untouchable attacks that lack any semblance of being a thing on the table to begin with?
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How abilities from two different works of fiction may hypothetically interact is a subjective matter. Hell, how two different abilities in the same work of fiction may hypothetically interact is often subjective, hence why debates even happen and people disagree.
A flash of light.
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Maybe yet that isn't really how things work here. Things need resistances, feats, or like something to work off to make the assertion one with a foundation.
I'd understand if a bit of the slashes had no form in some weird abstract way like Go Beyond from part 8 or like simply "did" in some ****** up type-moon shit. But if it's got a form, it's on it to prove it has resistances or invul.
"and it split the world diagonally, erasing everything in the light’s path."
Makes it sound like there's movement there, like some sort of sword beam, but with funny hax tacked on. Idk about you but swinging a sword and unleashing some sort of blade of light I'd say constitutes contact, especially because it's worded in a way that makes it sound as if everything that light touched, ie, came into contact with, is what was effected, hence the whole "in the light's path".
But regardless, light is well within LT's capabilities of interaction, not even LT really, Stands in general can interact with both light and shadows as if they were tangible.
Probably about done here, but does this light have motion, is it instant, or is it just super fast.
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Funny Valentine FRA. He BFRs and its done.
