All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[StrymULTRA]

TBF I always disliked Hypertimelines as a concept because they can just be a big 2-C to 2-A space that would work exactly as a single space-time without needing an extra time axis. A blatant example is Universe 7, which works as a single space-time, yet it's made of 3 of them, but we rate that as 2-C, not Low 1-C. The timelines needing an extra time axis to work is clearlt an exaggeration that makes no sense. I think DT made a great explanation about it here, the whole Temporal Dimensions nonsense has been implemented only because Staff gave up to the n-th attempt to make Dragon Ball Tier 1 that were made since DBS' first release.

All of Dragon Ball Cosmology revision (STAFF ONLY)

I am neutral regarding this, as I am too overworked to properly read the arguments. Personally speaking, it would be kind of fun with a higher-tiered Dragon Ball, but accuracy is most important. @Elizhaa @Theglassman12 @Antoniofer @DarkDragonMedeus @Crabwhale @TISSG7Redgrave @Promestein...

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I am aware that some of my verses would be nerfed too, but if they're on a faulty standard, then I cannot do much.

that seems like a Big manipulation of the tiering system in my part, to be honest...no wait, It IS basically that.
Even then the logic does not even ad up

If you want to change it, I'd be glad to assist you there.

 

[Alexander]

Alexander is just trying to bait people for a reaction, is better to ignore him when he does that.

yeah because i totally gain attention from this

 

[Alexander]

So you're going to complain about the usage of hypertimelines in the tiering system, but you're not going to do anything to address your complaints and change the standards? Then, with all due respect, you shouldn't complain about anything.

What?now people are not allowed to complain for things?yes i understand this was not the meaning of the comment (probably It was but, i guess not)

 

[Fezzih_007]

yeah because i totally gain attention from this

You do.

 

[Alexander]

I am aware that some of my verses would be nerfed too, but if they're on a faulty standard, then I cannot do much.

i don't really care for others verses if they get nerfed really, mostly because, i don't like the concept in general, or do people see me liking the hypertimeline on Sonic?

 

[Alexander]

You do.

No, i don't, if i wanted attention, i Will go to Twitter or reddit, or super power wiki

 

[Alexander]

If you want to change it, I'd be glad to assist you there.

I only wish to have the skills

 

[StrymULTRA]

i don't really care for others verses if they get nerfed really

I do not either. If my Gravity Falls thread fails because of Hypertimelines stopping to qualifying, then whatever. Accuracy comes first.

i don't like the concept in general, or do people see me liking the hypertimeline on Sonic?

And that's a good mindset! If Sonic gets downgraded, then it's good because it would set an example for others!

I do know few others that would be downgraded too (Kingdom Hearts, Ninjago, Ben 10 and iirc Tensura), but it just shows how wanked this standard makes verses.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I only wish to have the skills

I can DM you if you want me to teach you how to properly word thinks and change stuff to this degree. I am quite experienced here after all.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

What?now people are not allowed to complain for things?yes i understand this was not the meaning of the comment (probably It was but, i guess not)

Of course you're allowed to complain. My issue stems from the fact that you're complaining about something which you dislike here on the wiki, but you don't want to do anything about it and just presume that people will agree with you.

Like I myself don't care about the concept of hypertimelines, but if none of us will do anything to change things then what's the point? It's just complaining for the sake of complaining.

 

[Fezzih_007]

No, i don't, if i wanted attention, i Will go to Twitter or reddit, or super power wiki

Sureeeee you don't

 

[Alexander]

Of course you're allowed to complain. My issue stems from the fact that you're complaining about something which you dislike here on the wiki, but you don't want to do anything about it and just presume that people will agree with you.

Like I myself don't care about the concept of hypertimelines, but if none of us will do anything to change things then what's the point? It's just complaining for the sake of complaining.

then you are just like me...except that less talkative (this is not a insult, just a observation)

 

[MountainWine]

What’s so wrong and bad about hyper timelines? It’s not like battle boarders are the ones who created the concept (or even the naming)

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

What?now people are not allowed to complain for things?yes i understand this was not the meaning of the comment (probably It was but, i guess not)

People can complain, but since the intention is not to create a fight with all the fans and you are a Sonic fan, you always provoke us.

 

[Alexander]

What’s wrong with hyper timelines? It’s not like battle boarders are the ones who created the concept (or even the naming)

it is most of the way it is applied here, rather than has a concept, which in reality, does not sound that bad or different from a higher dimensional space.
but man, don't you know how extremely vague it is that they apply this? I mean Dragon Ball has it (in this wiki) but the same verse does not give an explanation or tells you that there is a higher dimension of time, or at least it gives that implication, we simply take it as if it is accepted and that's it.
like, there are 12 universes, ok?but all of them share the same timeline, so we just assume there is some higher time axis to explain why all this space-times have a timeline of their own, instead of just, you know, not doing that many assumptions?

 

[Alexander]

People can complain, but since the intention is not to create a fight with all the fans and you are a Sonic fan, you always provoke us.

i am the one who starts fights has a Sonic Fan...not in other places at least.

 

[MountainWine]

it is most of the way it is applied here, rather than has a concept, which in reality, does not sound that bad or different from a higher dimensional space.
but man, don't you know how extremely vague it is that they apply this? I mean Dragon Ball has it (in this wiki) but the same verse does not give an explanation or tells you that there is a higher dimension of time, or at least it gives that implication, we simply take it as if it is accepted and that's it.
like, there are 12 universes, ok?but all of them share the same timeline, so we just assume there is some higher time axis to explain why all this space-times have a timeline of their own, instead of just, you know, not doing that many assumptions?

I don’t think being spoon fed is necessary for every case of power scaling.

 

[Alexander]

I don’t think being spoon fed is necessary for every case of power scaling.

It's not even a spoon feed, it's literally too much (and I mean it) too much to assume, it's almost like you're making a theory, for this.
I don't even ask for a super long or detailed explanation, it's too simple, it can be done in short, it can be done easy, and it could be belivable, man if you wanted a higher dimensional timeline, then just say it like Fran bow "You don't need to wait for winter to come, that's absurd! Time is an infinitely layered reality!"

 

[MountainWine]

It's not even a spoon feed, it's literally too much (and I mean it) too much to assume, it's almost like you're making a theory, for this.
I don't even ask for a super long or detailed explanation, it's too simple, it can be done in short, it can be done easy, and it could be belivable, man if you wanted a higher dimensional timeline, then just say it like Fran bow "You don't need to wait for winter to come, that's absurd! Time is an infinitely layered reality!"

Yes it can be done easily, simple, and quick. However I think it is asking to be spoon fed if you are demanding terms and statements that fit your exact standards.

A lot of verses do not use words and statements that battle boarders often use to tier beyond four dimensional realities.

 

[Alexander]

Yes it can be done easily, simple, and quick. However I think it is asking to be spoon fed if you are demanding terms and statements that fit your exact standards.

no, is not, the other option is straight up assuming things.

A lot of verses do not use words and statements that battle boarders often use to tier beyond four dimensional realities.

is not even the same example, also yes they can, they don't need to use outerverse or hyperverse or whatever, but they can just make a good way to make a point about something without using those words.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

For verses like HQ "look here at the 5th dimension", for them everything is easier since it makes it easier for comic book readers to understand.

As for us animes, "i'm going to put higher dimensions into the work, but you have to discover it on your own"

In short: a work does not need to make it explicit that there is a higher dimension

For comic book fans, things are easier for them, since most of them are people who don't have much knowledge about higher dimensions

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Here comes the whining.

 

[Muteki616]

In short: a work does not need to make it explicit that there is a higher dimension

most of the time it is obvious.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

most of the time it is obvious.

Sometimes yes, but for other verses this is only presented in various riddles.

 

[Muteki616]

what's the topic of discussion?

 

[MountainWine]

no, is not, the other option is straight up assuming things.

is not even the same example, also yes they can, they don't need to use outerverse or hyperverse or whatever, but they can just make a good way to make a point about something without using those words.

You’re asking for statements and terms that fit your understanding and scoop of view. You’re asking to be spoon fed. It isn’t an assumption if the context points to a certain direction and standard.

Obviously. However your earlier example literally used terms (“infinitely layered reality”) battle boarders often use.

 

[Kroneii1]

what's the topic of discussion?

Goku solos fiction

 

[Alexander]

For verses like HQ "look here at the 5th dimension", for them everything is easier since it makes it easier for comic book readers to understand.

As for us animes, "i'm going to put higher dimensions into the work, but you have to discover it on your own"

In short: a work does not need to make it explicit that there is a higher dimension

For comic book fans, things are easier for them, since most of them are people who don't have much knowledge about higher dimensions

i mean Fire Force did it pretty easy "Adolla is a higher dimension, it is not part of this world"and then show it how you need to travel there by mental links and stuff.

 

[Alexander]

most of the time it is obvious.

if you are AVA, you could show it with visuals alone if you are good enough.

 

[Alexander]

You’re asking for statements and terms that fit your understanding and scoop of view. You’re asking to be spoon fed. It isn’t an assumption if the context points to a certain direction and standard.

because it requires less assumptions and theory crafting

Obviously. However your earlier example literally used terms (“infinitely layered reality”) battle boarders often use.

is not something battle boarders use, man, seriosly, is not rocket science

 

[MountainWine]

what's the topic of discussion?

Whether or not an extra reality should be deemed a higher dimension if it isn’t stated to be so or has statements and terms pointing to it being a higher dimension.

This started with DB’s 5D time axis. Frankly I don’t care for 5D DB (despite my raving and terrible 5D Goku and 6D Zen’ō jokes). I just find the lack of arguments against it dumb.

 

[Muteki616]

Goku solos fiction

Arctic Monkeys.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

what's the topic of discussion?

Mr. Alexander not accepting that other verses can be 5D

 

[Alexander]

This started with DB’s 5D time axis. Frankly I don’t care for 5D DB (despite my raving and terrible 5D Goku and 6D Zen’ō jokes). I just find the lack of arguments against it dumb.

lack of arguments?

 

[Alexander]

Mr. Alexander not accepting that other verses can be 5D

I would accept it if the reason wasn't so ridiculous.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

i mean Fire Force did it pretty easy "Adolla is a higher dimension, it is not part of this world"and then show it how you need to travel there by mental links and stuff.

I haven't seen the manga and i don't know, but if it had really happened he would have low 1-C in his profile, i think there are more things in that angle there

 

[MountainWine]

because it requires less assumptions and theory crafting

is not something battle boarders use, man, seriosly, is not rocket science

Of course it’s assumptions and theory crafting if you say so.

Maybe it’s new to you but Battle boarders recognize similar statements and terms. Those terms anre often used regarding dimensional tiering. A better example wouldn’t require the words infinite, layered, or reality.

 

[Alexander]

I haven't seen the manga and i don't know, but if it had really happened he would have low 1-C in his profile, i think there are more things in that angle there

not really, is just that someone does not want it to be that level (i know who)

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I would accept it if the reason wasn't so ridiculous.

That's what everyone says when they have no arguments to refute, just to say I don't care about 5D either and I have no interest in it, but it gets boring that you come here to complain about these things it all the time.

 

[MountainWine]

lack of arguments?

Your only argument I’ve heard so far is “it didn’t say this and that, all assumptions, therefore it isn’t this and that”. You aren’t actually tackling the reasonings for why it’s considered 5D.