As a writer, you and everyone else here should be seeking to improve regardless. Writers evolve with time and experience, and just like that the wiki is evolving too.
I'm not even writing for FC/OC. I'm literally only here to index creepypastas that ain't accepted on the main wiki. Plus I find it pointless putting my stuff there
I am making a game from scratch btw. Get it? From scratch. Hah. I sometimes scare myself with my sense of humor.
Pretty much. With these rules, none of my ABO-Verse pages will be qualified to stay, leaving me with Lucy as the only character I can use, and Lucy is ironically the character I put the least effort into. So in my case specifically, the new rules do the opposite of what they were intended for.
This right here. Especially since one of my OCs, which doesn't have a profile yet and is still in drafting, is a daughter between two established characters and has the UES system from from both universes
They should standout from the original sources by possessing unique character aspects and introduce a new perspective into the story.
Cosmology as in shared combined universes. For example, Naruto and One Piece combined into one
You don’t understand the standards
I mean they where rude and didn't approach this properly. But there are people who do understand the new standards and still disagree with them. As I've said before the only pages I ever vist are death battle, so the part of the site I care about hasn't been destroyed so I am good but there will be people still justified with being unsatisfied after all is said done. But can't make everyone happy, they will get over it and move to a differnt platform.
Well, i mean, i don't think most of these changes are any good for FC/OC either, especially on the forum (Which kinda kills the 'vsbattles' part of 'FC/OC vsbattles wiki' lol) but the staff did acknowledge this huge problem by letting me make the archive wiki, which solves the problem of the forum side becoming more like joke battles and hundreds of hours of hard work going to nothing
Why do you still dislike them? Archive stuff is legal to use in matches
It just kinda sucks we need to make a seperate wiki at all really, plus i feel like just adding the page quality standards and removing much fewer verses would be way less controversial too, and we wouldn't have been having a 5 page debate about it
a lot of people seem to think that skibidi toilet profiles attract the wrong kind of audience for example, so that would make the wiki better and not many people would oppose it (Although skibidi toilet will probably go to vsbattles soon anyway especially with that movie directed by micheal f**king bay himself)
I mean, part of promoting new staff was to figure this out some more (although the staff was shorthanded anyway, just two mods, an admin, and John wasn't gonna cut it for much longer) and again kinks are still being worked out. You said you don't think the changes are any good for the wiki but I'm pretty sure your main concerns have been answered by now. And if not, I'd like to hear anything you're still concerned withIt just kinda sucks we need to make a seperate wiki at all really, plus i feel like just adding the page quality standards and removing much fewer verses would be way less controversial too, and we wouldn't have been having a 5 page debate about it
They have, i just don't think the changes would be beneficial without the archive wiki is all, mainly i was just explaining to luny earlier that staff did acknowledge our concerns lol
the post was meant to be posted a while ago lmao so the view is outdated
Why did you even post it? This has already been basically resolved and now you just look like a disrespectful person for no reason.
Please don’t throw out insults like that. Dont need any more drama in this thread.
I’m sorry if that came off as insulting. What I mean is he looks like an unfavorable person over drama that’s not even around anymore.
idrk my autism brain just told me to
Absolute cinema.
It exists, but not sure if it's public or not. @Rayfire was working on it.
What about fan content like ST Multiverse? (you deleted the verse page for it, but not the actual pages for the verse, so if you changed your mind why didn't you add it back???)
That was by accident, the page has since been restored.
Agree (Even if apparently it got moved to alts)
Agree
Disagree. Generally speaking Minecraft mods do not aim for a clear and concise narrative and judging them for the lack of that is unfair. It should also be noted that Minecraft itself lacks a lot of story aside from small bits and pieces of unimportant lore, so it should be expected. There is also many other pages on the main site that lack story such as Derek Baum, who has about under a minute of him just going around tormenting people with no themes or messaging to the audience on how to improve their life, instead it just tries to entertain the audience with it's parody of similar ads. I feel like Minecraft Mods should be treated the same way, and should be judged on how well it entertains the audience by its gameplay mechanics if we judge it by anything (Which we shouldn't as it brings in biases against series or character people do not like missing out on profiles)
Disagree. I do not see the point in restricting pages biased on the engine that they were created on. Most Bethesda games have a very poor engine that has been mocked for years, however they receive pages without critics. If you want FC examples, Papyrus Goes Too Far is a very popular character on the site that originates from a series of scratch games, with Scratch being known for being primarily used by young children with little to no knowledge on game creation. If you want to move outside of video games, Red vs Blue is just actual being screwing around in Halo because funny and yet that has a TON of pages. This is a overarching theme of the examples but if there was a world where FC/OC and Vs Battle Wiki was fused and used VSBW rules, most of these would not go through since a lot of this is simply arbitrary and doesn't contribute much to the actual quality of the site but instead is more based on how we view some pieces of media as "lower" due to trying to fit them into boxes they simply do not fit into.
In-Between. I do agree that a lot of DB characters are very similar to their canon counterparts, however in fights they act more like composite versions of themselves than what in character they would do (Such as Bowser throwing that Box Dog guy when he hasn't done that in like 20 years). There has also been a lot of effort put into each page, however the 5th site should be able to archive them (even if I think having a 5th site is redundant and should just be moved to Alts, but I'm getting carried away)
Disagree. I straight up do not know what this means as it's very vague. What do you mean "ALL" YouTube Content? Like if you mean every last thing that comes from YouTube NO THATS STUPID DON'T DO THAT. But if it's just stuff created by YouTube algorithms/AI slop channels then it should be moved to jokes. I'll put more thoughts into this when it's more clear
HARD Disagree. Targeting Sonic Fan Characters for being "uncreative spinoffs" as you put it is like targeting a male cow for standing on 4 legs over a female cow. Most FC's generally HAVE TO BE uncreative in a certain way due to them having to fit inside of a pre-established canon that has it's own set of rules. And to note, if you bring up creative FC's that don't fall under those rules, there is also other Sonic FC's I can bring up that do the same. Targeting Sonic Fan Characters specifically is just redundant since everything good and bad with Sonic FC's applies to every other FC.
also the fact that it varies from the conventional "exe" variant by adding the particularity of it being two entities fused in one vessel, one calm and other short-tempered, both of these having enough content to fill two entire personality sub-sections
I know the user is fairly new, and just posted as of recently, but...
TBH, I did point out concerns regarding the vagueness between distinguishing stuff like YTPs against well written comedic stories here. And the staff pretty much was acting kinda like "nah, we can handle this." I know I may be oversimplifying stuff, but you can always read stuff here. And one of the staff here is ironically the one that relieved my naiveness off vague cases. So while it is their site and they want an audience they want, I have no clue what to do if a vague standard risks blowing up the wiki (exaggerating but you get my point).
Those pages are exceptions and not made long as a result of following the new standards or whatever. They are long as a result of passion for the projects and a desire to share them (at least, in my case). It's not remotely the same. Fcoc is the only place I'm able (and willing honestly) to share my works at all. Naturally, I want to share what about my characters makes them good to me. This tends to result in increased length. Especially with me being such a thorough person when it comes to this stuff. Kozan isn't even my best page and I do have a 'shorter' one on the horizon.
I didn't mean to suggest they were made better in response of the new standards, nor that they were not the product of sincere passion- indeed, I'd like to think most of FC/OC is, which is why I think there's a lot of frustration surrounding the new rules and approaches. And for the record, I don't think you should make shorter or longer profiles- I think, on a wiki about self expression, you should be allowed to make it whatever length you want it to be, regardless of my own opinions on page length. That was more or less the point I was trying to get across.
This is also the point. That personal opinions should not cloud judgement. I do, sincerely, dislike bloated pages. I find them counterintuitive. But I would not ever suggest banning the practice of making a very long page because of this opinion. The opposite approach, that short pages ought to be permitted with whatever summary they were submitted with, should they otherwise match the rules of the site- I believe this has not been appropriately weighed and considered.
I agree with these. For short pages, if they are formatted well and possess a good substance to their words, they are perfectly fine in my book. If you look back on this thread you'll see that 'having to make pages longer' was a main concern of mine initially with this whole thing.
