The Immortal is not at Omni-Man's level

[Guacamolefletcher]

Introduction​

I was suprised to see the inverse scaling here is almost completely wrong. Immortal completely scales to Omni Man (!?), someone who can literally decapitate him with a slash of the arm, and consistently punches through him. This is clearly inconsistent.

Omni Man gets staggered by canonically weaker opponents in Season 1​

In this scene, Omni Man gets staggered by the Reanimen. It would seem based on this that the reanimen scale to him, however they canonically don't. We know based upon season 2, after D.A. Sinclair has had even more time and resources to work on them, that they get destroyed by Invincible. He can tear through a hoard of ReAnimen with little difficulty after getting mad at Cecil.

The Immortal's Anti-Feats​

Omni Man gets somewhat staggered by the Immortal in a similar situation, without actually fully scaling to him. he draws a small amount of blood while fully enraged, but this doesn't necessarily count as scaling to Omni Man's max attack potency. This dude is out here getting obliterated by Omni Man, and it's not particularly close, once Omni Man gets serious.

Goggle-less mark is very likely weaker than Omni-Man, and he can easily destroy The Immortal too.

Future Immortal, who shouldn't be any weaker than current Immortal, gets instantly destroyed by a slightly annoyed Mark Grayson.

The Immortal fully scaling to Omni Man in this manner is also narratively inconsistent, because Invincible (who is portrayed as being stronger than the Immortal), can't even phase him with a punch to the face. Though Mark gets far stronger than he is at that point, it's unlikely that the Immortal is by far his superior.

The Immortal concedes inferiority to a non-enraged Mark from episode 6 of season 2, and this is after episode 4 where a non-enraged Mark is shown to be inferior to the three viltrumites. This same Thula gets curbstomped by Omni-Man's elbow.

Conclusions​

Based on the evidence and wide-ranging narrative, the Immortal does not fully scale to Omni-Man. At best, it should be an "At Most" rating, but I'm open to hearing options from other people. I haven't been in the powerscaling loop in a long time, and I wanted to make this post because the current scaling seems crazy to me. I watched the show without the powerscaling in mind (like you're meant to, lol), and it doesn't seem like this makes much sense considering the next seasons.

His feat of drawing blood from Omni-Man could be seen as:
a) outlier
b) inconsistent
c) rage amp
d) It's easier to draw a little bit of blood from a surprised Omni-Man than it is to actually scale to him

Mod Votes:​

Agree: Dalesean (downgrade to 7-A), Damage3245
Disagree:

 

[Huesito88]

Can Nolan actively lower his durability, if he wanted to?

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Can Nolan actively lower his durability, if he wanted to?

We don't really know. IIRC the Mark variants had super tough skin, so they have a tough base durability.

I'm still in favor of the outlier stuff though, worst-case scenario. It really doesn't matter why he doesn't scale, just that he doesn't.

 

[Tahoy49574]

I'm in favour of downgrading Immortal and scaling him to the Maulers. The scene most people point to is from Season 1, where the show took the most liberties from the comic, and even then he's the one taking all the damage while Omni-Man is comparatively fine. After that he's had the same defeats and statements about him being that strong from the comic.

Can Nolan actively lower his durability, if he wanted to?

That has never been implied whatsoever

 

[Dalesean027]

What's the point of this threads click bait title of course nolan scales above Mark in s1 we already accept that and mark doesn't remotely scale, anyways immortal should be downgraded to 7-A so I agree there

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I'm fine with whatever happens, but a few of these points are stupid

Goggle-less mark is very likely weaker than the Immortal, and he can easily destroy him too.

That Mark variant was lil bro-ing Immortal, effortlessly catches his punch, and eating his attacks. What are you going on about?

The Immortal fully scaling to Omni Man in this manner is also narratively inconsistent, because Invincible (who is portrayed as being stronger than the Immortal), can't even phase him with a punch to the face. Though Mark gets far stronger than he is at that point, it's unlikely that the Immortal is by far his superior.

This version of Mark is weaker than the version that ACTUALLY has scaling with Immortal. This is a non-factor

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

That Mark variant was lil bro-ing Immortal, effortlessly catches his punch, and eating his attacks. What are you going on about?

I made a typo here. I'm very prone to making quick mistakes like that

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

What's the point of this threads click bait title of course nolan scales above Mark in s1 we already accept that and mark doesn't remotely scale, anyways immortal should be downgraded to 7-A so I agree there

I swear that the title was a mistake, and I didn't change it immediately because I thought it was a mod-only thing (that might've changed?). It's not clickbait on purpose, I just have a bad short-term memory (gotten worse recently), so I can make mistakes like this easily.

This version of Mark is weaker than the version that ACTUALLY has scaling with Immortal. This is a non-factor

I thought this was still worth mentioning, as I don't think the narrative is "the Immortal >>> Season 1 Mark"

I'm in favour of downgrading Immortal and scaling him to the Maulers

I think it's important to note that the series is generally inconsistent, but the Maulers do have a feat of scaling to Invincible. Also, they have the stuff from the season 1 fight, so it seems fairly consistent that the Maulers ~< Invincible, and the Immortal is ~ the Maulers

Each feat needs to be closely evaluated in the TV show, to be fully honest.

 

[Ozcantabak]

Does this effect Mark's Post-Thraxa key ?

 

[Tahoy49574]

Does this effect Mark's Post-Thraxa key ?

He's scaling off viltrumites in that key so not not at all

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

He's scaling off viltrumites in that key so not not at all

Considering everything though, I'm not sure if the viltrumites should really scale to Omni-Man fully. This is a topic for a different thread, but:
Season 2 Mark < (decisively, via significant outspeeding and power) Anissa < (decisively, via outspeeding and drastic power difference) Allen the Alien post-Zenkai, season 3 ~ Omni-Man (though he's shown to be slightly weaker than Allen, he also took a beating. He is relative to both in speed though).

This could also be an outlier for Allen the Alien being far above Anissa, because they adopted it from the comics, where Allen is far above Omni-Man at this point. He is closer in power to Battle Beast than he is to Omni Man in the comics, while in the show, Allen fights super evenly with Omni-Man while being capable of easily defeating Anissa.

Omni-Man's poor performance against the three viltrumites might be some type of outlier or mental conflict going on. I'm NGL, this thread should be generally followed by an entire overhaul of the scaling, all things considered, because its hard to determine things. It's very possible that Omni-Man has grown in power, or there's a reason for him having so-so showings

 

[Tahoy49574]

This could also be an outlier for Allen the Alien being far above Anissa, because they adopted it from the comics, where Allen is far above Omni-Man at this point. He is closer in power to Battle Beast than he is to Omni Man in the comics, while in the show, Allen fights super evenly with Omni-Man while being capable of easily defeating Anissa.

Omni-Man's poor performance against the three viltrumites might be some type of outlier or mental conflict going on. I'm NGL, this thread should be generally followed by an entire overhaul of the scaling, all things considered, because its hard to determine things. It's very possible that Omni-Man has grown in power, or there's a reason for him having so-so showings

Allen is stronger than Anissa but not that much, after all in the comic the fight with the viltrumite executioner and the other prison guards is still described as hard-fought

I guess we could give him a third key after the Viltrumite War since he was beat up pretty good there and due to his powers he must've gotten stronger, as seen in the way he stomped Nolan

Also, Nolan did not perform badly against the viltrumites at all, he beat Vidor and Lucan solo and finished off Thula after Mark hesitated. I guess we could add an "At most" to Mark's second key, which should be named after the seasons and I don't know why they aren't yet

 

[Tahoy49574]

Also, on the "drawing blood" bit, in the Invincible discussion thread it was agreed on that drawing blood was more often than not cosmetic and doesn't really mean much for scaling

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Allen is stronger than Anissa but not that much, after all in the comic the fight with the viltrumite executioner and the other prison guards is still described as hard-fought

I mean, in general at this time in the comics, the gap between Thragg and these viltrumites isn't that much. These viltrumites can bloody thragg and battle beast (who fights evenly with Thragg later).

Also, on the "drawing blood" bit, in the Invincible discussion thread it was agreed on that drawing blood was more often than not cosmetic and doesn't really mean much for scaling

I actually... agree mostly

 

[Tahoy49574]

I mean, in general at this time in the comics, the gap between Thragg and these viltrumites isn't that much. These viltrumites can bloody thragg and battle beast (who fights evenly with Thragg later).

Given that Battle Beast later on literally rips the viltrumite to shreds and Thragg can easily punch through Nolan and Oliver I wouldn't put that much weight on it

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Given that Battle Beast later on literally rips the viltrumite to shreds and Thragg can easily punch through Nolan and Oliver I wouldn't put that much weight on it

I think you're forgetting that Thragg gets stronger throughout the series. He goes from fighting evnely with Battle Beast and jobbing to the strong aliens to easily beating them.

In the TV show he eventually rips him to shreds (more than he does in the comics), but the Viltrumite is blatantly seen reacting to his attacks. It could be that Battle Beast has reactive evolution or he gets stronger over time, maybe? Regardless, he isn't currently like a blitz and complete one shot compared to that viltrumite.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

In the TV show he eventually rips him to shreds (more than he does in the comics), but the Viltrumite is blatantly seen reacting to his attacks. It could be that Battle Beast has reactive evolution or he gets stronger over time, maybe? Regardless, he isn't currently like a blitz and complete one shot compared to that viltrumite.

Bodily weaponry

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Bodily weaponry

What would bodily weaponry have to do with anything?

 

[Tahoy49574]

I think you're forgetting that Thragg gets stronger throughout the series. He goes from fighting evnely with Battle Beast and jobbing to the strong aliens to easily beating them.

Him ripping Oliver and Nolan happens before the time-skip

In the TV show he eventually rips him to shreds (more than he does in the comics), but the Viltrumite is blatantly seen reacting to his attacks. It could be that Battle Beast has reactive evolution or he gets stronger over time, maybe? Regardless, he isn't currently like a blitz and complete one shot compared to that viltrumite.

Let's not bring up headcanons please, at least in the comic it also says he's enjoying the fight so he's more than likely just letting it drag out

 

[Tahoy49574]

It should be noted that Robot and Monster Girl also somewhat harm Battle Beast in the show but they shouldn't scale for obvious reasons

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Let's not bring up headcanons please, at least in the comic it also says he's enjoying the fight so he's more than likely just letting it drag out

I didn't bring up headcanons, I posited possibilities which were outside my argument. I'm simply making the observation here, and it's not super important to the TV show

It should be noted that Robot and Monster Girl also somewhat harm Battle Beast in the show but they shouldn't scale for obvious reasons

I think we can spin this as a notable anti-feat for "filler" feats from season 1 not being important, and you could equate the Immortal's feat against Omni-Man to something like that

 

[Tyranno223]

I disagree with a full downgrade but I do agree with the general downgrade.

I support Immortal keeping a "at most" rating for several reasons.

1. In the first fight with Nolan, Immortal and War Woman (and Red Rush to a lesser extent) render Nolan in a critical condition and outright cause him to pass out after the fight.
2. Immortal repeatedly clashes with Nolan during the rematch, and while he does eventually lose, he outright gets the advantage against Nolan in a few clashes and even wins their air joust.
3. Post-Thraxa Invincible is currently accepted as being Low 6-B in general, enraged or regardless. You need to downgrade him before this becomes an issue.
4. No goggled Mark is stronger than Immortal but the latter is still comparable enough that he could fight the Mark variant all the way from Egypt to Guardians HQ for 2 entire days. Also, no goggled Mark is also a combat sadomasochist so him enjoying getting punched isn't a indication of no sell (guy was spewing blood a lot). He even groaned in pain from being knocked into a tomb during the Egypt portion of the fight. The two are quite comparable, even if Immortal is weaker. In addition, Mark variants vary in strength so being weaker than one isn't a massive issue. We know Cape Mark killed his Nolan, so some are evidently stronger than Omni-Man, or at least their Omni-Man.

Now, I'll also address a few other things.

• Reanimen cannot even draw blood from Nolan. This is a really nothing point.
• Season 1 Invincible is not treated as = to Season 2 Invincible, at least post-Thraxa. Therefore, Invincible Season 1 does not > Immortal. That needs a separate thread.
• Season 3 Invincible stomps Immortal, but we also know that Season 3 Invincible is likely superior to Anissa (according to the GDA) and she stomped Season 2 Invincible who was superior to Immortal. It's really not relevant.

While he is certainly not on par with Nolan tier characters, he isn't beyond being able to give them some trouble. A "at most" Low 6-B rating is therefore proper imo in addition to the general downgrade to 7-A.

 

[Tahoy49574]

No goggled Mark is stronger than Immortal but the latter is still comparable enough that he could fight the Mark variant all the way from Egypt to Guardians HQ for 2 entire days.

It lasted that long because that Mark wanted it to, when he actually tried he easily killed him. In no other place you'll see someone argue someone getting one shot downscales. Also:

The scene most people point to is from Season 1, where the show took the most liberties from the comic, and even then he's the one taking all the damage while Omni-Man is comparatively fine. After that he's had the same defeats and statements about him not being that strong from the comic.

 

[Tyranno223]

It lasted that long because that Mark wanted it to, when he actually tried he easily killed him. In no other place you'll see someone argue someone getting one shot downscales. Also:

I've mentioned this in the discussion thread, but sudden one shots aren't 100% signs of incomparability in the show (or comics for that matter). Heck look at the Thraxa fight where Nolan cuts open Lucan's gut with one attack and later gets his back broke in one attack from Lucan. The two are comparable but can one shot each other. That and the initial dive kick took far more effort from No gogles Mark than the simple stomp that took Immortal's head did and Immortal survived the former.

And it's also improper to say Mark wasn't trying. Again, the guy was groaning in Egypt and seemingly on the backfoot for that part of the fight since Immortal was 100% fine while Mark was being floored and was bleeding. Heck Mark wouldn't have gotten pissed if being punched in the face wasn't painful.

Comic isn't relevant to the show so that doesn't matter.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

I disagree with a full downgrade but I do agree with the general downgrade.

I support Immortal keeping a "at most" rating for several reasons.

1. In the first fight with Nolan, Immortal and War Woman (and Red Rush to a lesser extent) render Nolan in a critical condition and outright cause him to pass out after the fight.
2. Immortal repeatedly clashes with Nolan during the rematch, and while he does eventually lose, he outright gets the advantage against Nolan in a few clashes and even wins their air joust.
3. Post-Thraxa Invincible is currently accepted as being Low 6-B in general, enraged or regardless. You need to downgrade him before this becomes an issue.
4. No goggled Mark is stronger than Immortal but the latter is still comparable enough that he could fight the Mark variant all the way from Egypt to Guardians HQ for 2 entire days. Also, no goggled Mark is also a combat sadomasochist so him enjoying getting punched isn't a indication of no sell (guy was spewing blood a lot). He even groaned in pain from being knocked into a tomb during the Egypt portion of the fight. The two are quite comparable, even if Immortal is weaker. In addition, Mark variants vary in strength so being weaker than one isn't a massive issue. We know Cape Mark killed his Nolan, so some are evidently stronger than Omni-Man, or at least their Omni-Man.

Now, I'll also address a few other things.

• Reanimen cannot even draw blood from Nolan. This is a really nothing point.
• Season 1 Invincible is not treated as = to Season 2 Invincible, at least post-Thraxa. Therefore, Invincible Season 1 does not > Immortal. That needs a separate thread.
• Season 3 Invincible stomps Immortal, but we also know that Season 3 Invincible is likely superior to Anissa (according to the GDA) and she stomped Season 2 Invincible who was superior to Immortal. It's really not relevant.

While he is certainly not on par with Nolan tier characters, he isn't beyond being able to give them some trouble. A "at most" Low 6-B rating is therefore proper imo in addition to the general downgrade to 7-A.

The at most is honestly too much. They land a ton of hits on Omni-Man, and he had already taken a ton of damage from Red Rush throwing a ton of punches at him.

Even if season 3 Invincible is > Anissa, Season 2 Invincible is already stronger than Immortal, and he's far below Anissa and hence far below Omni-Man from season 3.

I already countered the feat of him clashing with Omni-Man, as Omni-Man immediately punches through his chest. I don't think the "one-shotting =/= far above" stuff is correct, considering Omni-Man uses a technique against Lucan and he never takes any damage from Thula. Also he gets kicked in the spine while offguard.

 

[Damage3245]

I agree with the downgrade for the Immortal.

 

[Tyranno223]

The at most is honestly too much. They land a ton of hits on Omni-Man, and he had already taken a ton of damage from Red Rush throwing a ton of punches at him.

Even if season 3 Invincible is > Anissa, Season 2 Invincible is already stronger than Immortal, and he's far below Anissa and hence far below Omni-Man from season 3.

I already countered the feat of him clashing with Omni-Man, as Omni-Man immediately punches through his chest. I don't think the "one-shotting =/= far above" stuff is correct, considering Omni-Man uses a technique against Lucan and he never takes any damage from Thula. Also he gets kicked in the spine while offguard.

Landing a ton of hits is the main reason for something like a "At most". They are comparable enough to down Nolan, but not comparable enough to solidly scale.

Season 2 Mark is below Anissa but not below Viltrumites in general. He does solidly against one on Thraxa afterall. This is what the current state of the profile is. We also don't know how Anissa compares to Nolan beyond being faster than him.

Omni-Man doesn't use a technique against Lucan, he just swipes his hand and cuts him open. He also does get kicked when off guard but this isn't Dragon Ball where being off guard lowers your durability.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

I disagree with a full downgrade but I do agree with the general downgrade.

I support Immortal keeping a "at most" rating for several reasons.

1. In the first fight with Nolan, Immortal and War Woman (and Red Rush to a lesser extent) render Nolan in a critical condition and outright cause him to pass out after the fight.
2. Immortal repeatedly clashes with Nolan during the rematch, and while he does eventually lose, he outright gets the advantage against Nolan in a few clashes and even wins their air joust.
3. Post-Thraxa Invincible is currently accepted as being Low 6-B in general, enraged or regardless. You need to downgrade him before this becomes an issue.
4. No goggled Mark is stronger than Immortal but the latter is still comparable enough that he could fight the Mark variant all the way from Egypt to Guardians HQ for 2 entire days. Also, no goggled Mark is also a combat sadomasochist so him enjoying getting punched isn't a indication of no sell (guy was spewing blood a lot). He even groaned in pain from being knocked into a tomb during the Egypt portion of the fight. The two are quite comparable, even if Immortal is weaker. In addition, Mark variants vary in strength so being weaker than one isn't a massive issue. We know Cape Mark killed his Nolan, so some are evidently stronger than Omni-Man, or at least their Omni-Man.

Now, I'll also address a few other things.

• Reanimen cannot even draw blood from Nolan. This is a really nothing point.
• Season 1 Invincible is not treated as = to Season 2 Invincible, at least post-Thraxa. Therefore, Invincible Season 1 does not > Immortal. That needs a separate thread.
• Season 3 Invincible stomps Immortal, but we also know that Season 3 Invincible is likely superior to Anissa (according to the GDA) and she stomped Season 2 Invincible who was superior to Immortal. It's really not relevant.

While he is certainly not on par with Nolan tier characters, he isn't beyond being able to give them some trouble. A "at most" Low 6-B rating is therefore proper imo in addition to the general downgrade to 7-A.

I just rewatched the guardians vs Omni-Man fight, and he literally only takes damage to the guardians (besides Red rush) while offguard, and he dodges everything when they're fighting evenly one-on-one. They lay into him while he's restrained by the green alien, and once he breaks out, he immediately punches through the Immortal and snaps War Woman's neck.

Taking damage to the face isn't the same as fully scaling to someone in this way, and the fact that Omni-Man is standing after taking 30 punches from War Woman and the Immortal just shows that they don't actually scale to him, they downscale by a lot.

Landing a ton of hits is the main reason for something like a "At most". They are comparable enough to down Nolan, but not comparable enough to solidly scale.

I don't know if this constitutes "at most," really. Try taking 30 from a middle schooler, and you'll probably pass out.

Season 2 Mark is below Anissa but not below Viltrumites in general. He does solidly against one on Thraxa afterall. This is what the current state of the profile is. We also don't know how Anissa compares to Nolan beyond being faster than him.

I already addressed this.
Thula ~ S2 Invincible << Anissa < Allen ~ Omni-Man ~ Other viltrumite they fight

Even in the comics, Omni-Man is far above Anissa, and it's shown he can easily overpower her.

I agree with the downgrade for the Immortal.

what do you propose as alternative scaling? I think it's pretty comfortably
season 1 mark ~ Maulers ~ Immortal

 

[Tyranno223]

I just rewatched the guardians vs Omni-Man fight, and he literally only takes damage to the guardians (besides Red rush) while offguard, and he dodges everything when they're fighting evenly one-on-one. They lay into him while he's restrained by the green alien, and once he breaks out, he immediately punches through the Immortal and snaps War Woman's neck.

Taking damage to the face isn't the same as fully scaling to someone in this way, and the fact that Omni-Man is standing after taking 30 punches from War Woman and the Immortal just shows that they don't actually scale to him, they downscale by a lot.


I don't know if this constitutes "at most," really. Try taking 30 from a middle schooler, and you'll probably pass out.



I already addressed this.
Thula ~ S2 Invincible << Anissa < Allen ~ Omni-Man ~ Other viltrumite they fight

Dodging doesn't really matter for ap and durabilty.

Downscaling by a fair amount is quite literally when something like an "at most" is used. A complete separation is more for the case like the Reanimen against Omni-Man where they couldn't even draw blood.

Heck, we also do get the rematch where we see the Immortal can at least take some hits from Nolan and parry.

Also, genuinely, what middle schoolers can knock you out in 30 punches? Sure a punch can sting and hurt, but a ko?

The scaling chain's about right but we do know that the 3 Viltrumites on Thraxa were fairly comparable to each other. Heck Thula seemed to have been the leader judging from their interactions and Viltrumites lead by strength. The whole Thraxa fight scaling is a mess in its own right, but she's not incomparable to Nolan tier fighters. Everyone there could one shot each other in the right circumstances, heck Vidar gets his skull cracked open in one attack.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

Heck, we also do get the rematch where we see the Immortal can at least take some hits from Nolan and parry.

Also, genuinely, what middle schoolers can knock you out in 30 punches? Sure a punch can sting and hurt, but a ko?

Dude, two 11 year olds throwing a flurry of punches at your face while you're offguard and completely restrained would absolutely mess you up.

Also, keep this in mind:
Maulers ~ Immortal (not debatable, really)
the Maulers get killed by Oliver Grayson

The scaling chain's about right but we do know that the 3 Viltrumites on Thraxa were fairly comparable to each other. Heck Thula seemed to have been the leader judging from their interactions and Viltrumites lead by strength

We don't fully know that they were comparable to each other, and it might seem to me that they probably never scaled to Omni-Man. He is hesitant to fight them, and we see he eventually messes them up quickly. Being able to curbstomp (literally) and quickly dominate her shows he's definitely stronger than her.


Besides that, I will need to find some more clips to show the season 1 Mark ~ Maulers ~ Immortal chain which seems most likely.

 

[Tahoy49574]

We also don't know how Anissa compares to Nolan beyond being faster than him.

GDA doesn't know how fast Omni-Man is at all. Also they themselves say that Mark has less 20% chance of just surviving (not even winning) a fight against her and Cecil himself says it's Chicago 2.0, so she should solidly case to Nolan

Vidar gets his skull cracked open in one attack.

And that would explode Immortal's head on the spot

 

[Tyranno223]

Dude, two 11 year olds throwing a flurry of punches at your face while you're offguard and completely restrained would absolutely mess you up.

Also, keep this in mind:
Maulers ~ Immortal (not debatable, really)
the Maulers get killed by Oliver Grayson


We don't fully know that they were comparable to each other, and it might seem to me that they probably never scaled to Omni-Man. He is hesitant to fight them, and we see he eventually messes them up quickly. Being able to curbstomp (literally) and quickly dominate her shows he's definitely stronger than her.


Besides that, I will need to find some more clips to show the season 1 Mark ~ Maulers ~ Immortal chain which seems most likely.

I've never fought 11 year olds so idk, but it's a weird analogy either way.

Uh, yeah idk about Mauler ~ Immortal. Not because I disagree with the showings, but the whole point of the Oliver thing was that he didn't hold back when he should have. Invincible was >>> the Maulers there but did pretty poorly against them too there. Heck Immortal has a track record of handling them pretty well in physical contests.

Nolan didn't hesitate, he went in pretty readily against Lucan and Vidar.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

The Guardians of the Globe as a whole should definitely have some scaling to Nolan, him ending up bloodied and passing out of exhaustion is sorta integral to the show's version of the plot.

 

[Tyranno223]

The Guardians of the Globe as a whole should definitely have some scaling to Nolan, him ending up bloodied and passing out of exhaustion out is sorta integral to the show's version of the plot.

Essentially that. Heck the whole point he killed them was to prepare the planet for Viltrumite takeover by taking out the biggest threat.

Heck, he was hospitalised.

 

[Tahoy49574]

The Guardians of the Globe as a whole should definitely have some scaling to Nolan, him ending up bloodied and passing out of exhaustion is sorta integral to the show's version of the plot.

The thing is, The Guardians scaling to Nolan = Maulers scaling to Nolan = Pre-Thraxa Mark already scaling to Nolan = Machine Head's henchmen scaling to Nolan and I guess you can see where I'm going with this

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

The Guardians of the Globe as a whole should definitely have some scaling to Nolan, him ending up bloodied and passing out of exhaustion is sorta integral to the show's version of the plot.

I mean, like, there isn't like an infinite gap between their powers or anything, this was never in contention. They're in the same kind of ballpark, sure too.

However, the Immortal is probably like 100x weaker than Nolan or something, he doesn't scale. We can't make up numbers, so we should just scale him to the highest value he would otherwise scale to. This is what the mods are accepting btw.

The thing is, The Guardians scaling to Nolan = Maulers scaling to Nolan = Pre-Thraxa Mark already scaling to Nolan = Machine Head's henchmen scaling to Nolan and I guess you can see where I'm going with this

You can make a ton of weird scaling chains like this.

Omni-Man ~ The Immortal < Season 2 Invincible < Anissa < Allen the Alien ~ Omni Man

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

The thing is, The Guardians scaling to Nolan = Maulers scaling to Nolan = Pre-Thraxa Mark already scaling to Nolan = Machine Head's henchmen scaling to Nolan and I guess you can see where I'm going with this

I mean, the Guardians were clearly holding back during their first fight with the Maulers, primarily focused on evacuating civilians from the area.
Even when they finally "cut loose" and stomped the Maulers, it's obvious they were still making a conscious effort to subdue rather than kill them.

I won't lie and tell you that the Immortal’s second showing against them was good, but at the same time, they never actually made him bleed.
And like even S3 Mark, who's undeniably Low 6-B at this point, was still getting tossed around by them, so I definitely think it was just a holding back issue.

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

I mean, the Guardians were clearly holding back during their first fight with the Maulers, primarily focused on evacuating civilians from the area.
Even when they finally "cut loose" and stomped the Maulers, it's obvious they were still making a conscious effort to subdue rather than kill them.

I won't lie and tell you that the Immortal’s second showing against them was good, but at the same time, they never actually made him bleed.
And like even S3 Mark, who's undeniably Low 6-B at this point, was still getting tossed around by them, so I definitely think it was just a holding back issue.

L out of context feats.

He had just had his nerves shocked by the Maulers' gun, so he was temporarily weakened, on top of holding back against them.

We literally see that Oliver can one shot them if he really wants to...

I mean, the Guardians were clearly holding back during their first fight with the Maulers, primarily focused on evacuating civilians from the area.
Even when they finally "cut loose" and stomped the Maulers, it's obvious they were still making a conscious effort to subdue rather than kill them.

We should also be open to the idea that the Maulers themselves might not be static in power. They are scientists and constantly experiment on themselves, so its possible they get stronger.

 

[Tahoy49574]

Even when they finally "cut loose" and stomped the Maulers, it's obvious they were still making a conscious effort to subdue rather than kill them.

They were stomped when all the Guardians ganged up on them, before that they were somewhat physically on par Immortal and War Woman

 

[Guacamolefletcher]

They were stomped when all the Guardians ganged up on them, after that they are somewhat physically on part Immortal and War Woman

I mean, they are never actually shown harming any of them (in all fairness), but at this time they are basically anti-stratting them hard.

They later do this to the Immortal though, so they are at his physical level, generally: