Askin vs Sasuke

[Johner2133451]

Askin Nakk Le Vaar

Askin Nakk Le Vaar (アスキン・ナックルヴァール, Asukin Nakkuruvāru?) is a Quincy and a member of the Wandenreich's Sternritter with the designation "D" - "The Deathdealing", as well as one of Yhwach's Schutzstaffel (親衛隊シュッツシュタッフェル, Shuttsushutafferu?) German for "Protective Echelon", Japanese for...

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Sasuke Uchiha (Part II)

Sasuke Uchiha (うちは サスケ, Uchiha Sasuke?) is one of the last surviving members of Konohagakure's Uchiha clan. Since his childhood, he made it his goal to exact revenge against his older brother, Itachi Uchiha, who had slaughtered their entire clan. He was initially a member of Konoha's Team 7...

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Speed equalized

Both at their peak keys

 

[Kidkinsey]

At their peaks askin is moon and sasuke is small planet with ALOT of "far highers"

 

[Johner2133451]

At their peaks askin is moon and sasuke is small planet with ALOT of "far highers"

Askin does have the poison factor and possibly gaining invulnerability from Sasuke's attacks

 

[Kidkinsey]

Idk one shot values but if sasuke is already a tier higher and has ways to make that.MUCHHHH larger. A chidori or like sussano attack make end the fight, he can also absorb attacks, has the precog advantage, repel attacks and numerous other hax

Also what is askins death dealing hax classified as because sasuke has alot of resistances

 

[MrTayman616]

Askin does have the poison factor and possibly gaining invulnerability from Sasuke's attacks

Sasuke should be able to realize the poison pretty easily and has ways to counter. His invulnerability takes time which considering he'd get one shotted, it doesn't help much.

 

[Johner2133451]

Idk one shot values but if sasuke is already a tier higher and has ways to make that.MUCHHHH larger. A chidori or like sussano attack make end the fight, he can also absorb attacks, has the precog advantage, repel attacks and numerous other hax

Also what is askins death dealing hax classified as because sasuke has alot of resistances

Sasuke should be able to realize the poison pretty easily and has ways to counter. His invulnerability takes time which considering he'd get one shotted, it doesn't help much.

Could Sasuke tank Askin's poison? It has resistance negation which even worked on Ichigo despite ichigo resists poison

 

[MrTayman616]

Could Sasuke tank Askin's poison? It has resistance negation which even worked on Ichigo despite ichigo resists poison

Sasuke can see the poison and can understand how the ability works. I'm not saying he'll go there and tank it but Sasuke can one shot without touching him.

He'd play smart.

 

[Johner2133451]

Sasuke can see the poison and can understand how the ability works. I'm not saying he'll go there and tank it but Sasuke can one shot without touching him.

He'd play smart.

So would you say this match is a stomp or fine? If stomp, I can lower Sasuke's key to Fourth Shinobi War

 

[Adam1396]

As the current profile stands sasuke should blitz

 

[Johner2133451]

As the current profile stands sasuke should blitz

It's speed equalized tho?

 

[DavidTPPM]

It's speed equalized tho?

Saucer has a metric ton of speed amps

 

[DavidTPPM]

That aside
Kid named genjustu:

 

[Johner2133451]

Saucer has a metric ton of speed amps

So would lowering Sasuke's key to fourth shinobi war is fine then? He would have the ap disavantage but has the speed factor

 

[DavidTPPM]

So would lowering Sasuke's key to fourth shinobi war is fine then? He would have the ap disavantage but has the speed factor

Does it really change anything? Sasuke doesn't get any new speed amps since like, the 5ks.
And his genjutsu is also probably enough since around 5ks if not sooner.

 

[Adam1396]

It's speed equalized tho?

Askin slaughters then

 

[Johner2133451]

Askin slaughters then

Oh can you counter this argument then

Sasuke can see the poison and can understand how the ability works. I'm not saying he'll go there and tank it but Sasuke can one shot without touching him.

He'd play smart.

 

[Johner2133451]

Does it really change anything? Sasuke doesn't get any new speed amps since like, the 5ks.
And his genjutsu is also probably enough since around 5ks if not sooner.

Depends on if Sasuke gets too close to Askin since Askin has that passive reactive evolution

 

[Johner2133451]

Also speaking of information anaylisis, would it even work on Askin? Since Ichigo has it but still gets effected by him @MrTayman616

 

[MrTayman616]

Also speaking of information anaylisis, would it even work on Askin? Since Ichigo has it but still gets effected by him @MrTayman616

Sasuke's ability is far better for these kinda abilities no? He can just see the poison etc.

 

[Johner2133451]

Sasuke's ability is far better for these kinda abilities no? He can just see the poison etc.

Ichigo's information anaylsis allows him to know the functionalities of his enemies abilities

Ichigo Kurosaki (Post-Timeskip)

Ichigo Kurosaki (黒崎くろさき 一いち護ご, Kurosaki Ichigo?) is the son of Masaki Kurosaki and Isshin Kurosaki, a Quincy with the powers of a Soul Reaper. Years after the death of his mother, Ichigo uses his innate spiritual awareness to help local ghosts, and unlocks his potential as a Soul Reaper when...

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Even then, he was unable to use it to counter Askin's hax

 

[Foriaa]

Askin needs to survive the initial attack in order to gain the invulnerability to it. There's a few dozen time's difference between their ap's. Sasuke also has layered mind hax that Askin has no answer for.

 

[MrTayman616]

Ichigo's information anaylsis allows him to know the functionalities of his enemies abilities

Ichigo Kurosaki (Post-Timeskip)

Ichigo Kurosaki (黒崎くろさき 一いち護ご, Kurosaki Ichigo?) is the son of Masaki Kurosaki and Isshin Kurosaki, a Quincy with the powers of a Soul Reaper. Years after the death of his mother, Ichigo uses his innate spiritual awareness to help local ghosts, and unlocks his potential as a Soul Reaper when...

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Even then, he was unable to use it to counter Askin's hax

Sasuke sees the poison itself and acts upon it, not just the ability. He doesn't just try to understand the ability of the opponent.

 

[Foriaa]

Askin does have the poison factor and possibly gaining invulnerability from Sasuke's attacks

He'd have to start poisoning chakra immediately for the poison hax to matter and invulnerability requires him to survive the attack first for it to go through. From what I'm seeing on their profiles, Sasuke without the usage of Susanoo has 25x's higher ap than that of Askin with Hasshein.

 

[Adam1396]

Oh can you counter this argument then

Sasuke figuring out doesn’t change a thing. He is also well within askin's range.

Askin is more intelligent as well, went around extraordinary genius. Just a genius won't be giving him any trouble at all.

I think we should properly work on intelligence section my guy. Naruto being treated to be more intelligent than Ichigo just seems ridiculous. Basic Bleach shinigami should be comparable to naruto verse prodigies. Whatever we are just too lazy to work on that section cordially

 

[Adam1396]

Sasuke sees the poison itself and acts upon it, not just the ability. He doesn't just try to understand the ability of the opponent.

Askin technically doesn’t even use poison.
Him understanding the ability not gonna help him anyway. He simply doesn’t posses any counter.

Gift ball and it's over.
Since it's speed equal, askin would blind sasuke or drop sasuke down with any type of lethal dose long before thinking of suicidal attack which sasuke has no answer to anyway.

 

[MrTayman616]

What's the range between the characters?

 

[karo_senpaii]

Askin technically doesn’t even use poison.
Him understanding the ability not gonna help him anyway. He simply doesn’t posses any counter.

Gift ball and it's over.
Since it's speed equal, askin would blind sasuke or drop sasuke down with any type of lethal dose long before thinking of suicidal attack which sasuke has no answer to anyway.

Askin is not tagging sasuke and his shunshin, chidori Amp and further higher reaction with sharingan plus his teleportation.

 

[Samlex1234]

Can Askin resist Sasuke's Layered mind manipulation?

 

[Johner2133451]

Can Askin resist Sasuke's Layered mind manipulation?

He does have unconventional resist to mind manip

• Unconventional Resistance to Mind Manipulation (Minds in Bleach are intertwined with their souls)

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

He does have unconventional resist to mind manip

• Unconventional Resistance to Mind Manipulation (Minds in Bleach are intertwined with their souls)

Genjutsu works on souls. Genjustsu uses Yin-release which uses spiritual energy to control imagination

 

[Johner2133451]

Genjutsu works on souls. Genjustsu uses Yin-release which uses spiritual energy to control imagination

If Genjutsu does work on souls, Sasuke should have soul manipulation in his sharingan profile

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

If Genjutsu does work on souls, Sasuke should have soul manipulation in his sharingan profile

We are waiting on UchihaSlayer to drop the Chakra page so it can be officially added to profiles. Besides nard verse profiles are currently outdated and missing abilities, resistance and layers

 

[Johner2133451]

We are waiting on UchihaSlayer to drop the Chakra page so it can be officially added to profiles. Besides nard verse profiles are currently outdated and missing abilities, resistance and layers

Oh then guess you can't use the genjutsu arg because as staff mentioned, you need the abilities on their profiles officially in order to be used in vs matches

That aside
Kid named genjustu:

Can't do that here if the CRT hasn't been applled

 

[Foriaa]

askin would blind sasuke

Sasuke can perceive size down to the microscopic level, his enhanced sight would allow him to see Gift Ring and dodge it accordingly.

Askin is more intelligent as well

Nothing on his profile implies that

Even with the Blut Vene stack, Sasuke's weakest attacks are 76x's stronger than Askin's most durable form. Sasuke also has like 4 layers of mind hax that Askin has no answers for. Not to mention, Sasuke can further amp his speed with things like Chidori and Susanoo.


Fight doesn't even go to the point where Askin uses Gift Ball Deluxe, and if it does, Sasuke would one tap it or simply leave the area with Amenotijikara.

 

[Adam1396]

Askin is not tagging sasuke and his shunshin, chidori Amp and further higher reaction with sharingan plus his teleportation.

Askin folds sasuke without tagging him.

You should see my previous responses. Without speed equal askin gets blitzed. With speed equal sasuke is getting cooked

 

[Adam1396]

Sasuke can perceive size down to the microscopic level, his enhanced sight would allow him to see Gift Ring and dodge it accordingly.


Nothing on his profile implies that

Even with the Blut Vene stack, Sasuke's weakest attacks are 76x's stronger than Askin's most durable form. Sasuke also has like 4 layers of mind hax that Askin has no answers for. Not to mention, Sasuke can further amp his speed with things like Chidori and Susanoo.


Fight doesn't even go to the point where Askin uses Gift Ball Deluxe, and if it does, Sasuke would one tap it or simply leave the area with Amenotijikara.

A top tier shinigami like urahara's invisibility perception > anything naruto verse can dish out in that category.

His profile does imply him giving hard time and almost slaughtering an extraordinary genius. You should comprehend better.

I am not even arguing ap here or denying sasuke can't one shot askin. Prove genjutsu can affect minds of soul.

Exactly he kills sasuke without that. Sasuke can not leave deluxe. Urahara had to reconstruct the structure on macro quantum level.
Sasuke is cooked the moment battle begins

 

[Foriaa]

A top tier shinigami like urahara's invisibility perception > anything naruto verse can dish out in that category.

Gift Ring doesn't have invisibility hax attached to it, from what I'm seeing, it only has Limited Size Manipulation, Teleportation & Death Manipulation.

His profile does imply him giving hard time and almost slaughtering an extraordinary genius. You should comprehend better.

You are saying Askin is more intelligent because he gave an extraordinary genius a harder time in a fight? You are conflating intelligence with power and choosing to ignore the context of that fight, Kisuke wasn't having issue's with Askin because he was ridiculous smart or anything, but because of his ability to kill body parts and become invulnerable to things just after experiencing them. Being able to nearly beat someone who is insanely intelligent doesn't necessarily mean that you are as well.

I am not even arguing ap here or denying sasuke can't one shot askin. Prove genjutsu can affect minds of soul.

Here you go piggy back riding on the one of the multiple win cons provided for Sasuke, if you yourself are not denying that Sasuke can one shot Askin, why does the battle go further then that?

Sasuke can not leave deluxe.

Sasuke's attacks are vastly stronger than anything Gift Ball Deluxe can sustain, he one shots Askin.

 

[TegamiBachi25]

We are waiting on UchihaSlayer to drop the Chakra page so it can be officially added to profiles. Besides nard verse profiles are currently outdated and missing abilities, resistance and layers

Honestly, that's the first I heard of it. Not to derail, is there a CRT or discord server where that's being in the work?

Also, wasn't there an old CRT that downgraded the part 1 cast to 9-B since 8-B doesn't seem to be justified anymore? Because Sakura and Ino and the cast scaling to Sasuke's Fireball is ridiculous.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Honestly, that's the first I heard of it. Not to derail, is there a CRT or discord server where that's being in the work?

It’s been in the making for a while. I think it was in the KingTempest CRT where he proposed NPI and soul manipulation for select characters that this came up.

As far as I know UchihaSlayer is the only one working on that page, so if you want to know more about it you should approach him directly

 

[karo_senpaii]

Controlling the mind of soul like beings does not give you soul manipulation. Also unconventional resistance doesn't help you against 5layerz of MM. Speed equalised and sasuke has 2 blitz worthy amps and a reaction speed higher than both. Not to mention teleportation, I find it very hard to even believe askin can touch him. With his sharingan he'd easily see askin attacks are deadly and avoid it. I don't know where the askin blitz is coming from but if you're arguing that it makes this match invalid per vs rules.

A shock wave from assume fist not to talk of the weakest fire style turns askin to paste, the ap gap is ridiculous. This just feels like a stomp for so like this should be closed. If it's not then l'm voting sasuke