Zeldris: 756.915 Exatons, 30 Zettatons with Ominous Nebula
Luffy: 433 Exatons in base, up to 3.462 Zettatons from Gears 2 through 4, 6.924 Zettatons in Gear 5th
Location: Hueco Mundo
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he would prolly get one shotted before getting to use it lmao
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Luffy's base scales much above 433 Exatons, being able to fully clash with and fight the Kaido who was capable of one-shotting the previous versions of his gears, meaning the gap is at most 3.49422633. Luffy himself has Kenbun and Future Sight meaning he can sense Zeldris' power meaning that if he needs to he'd transform into Gear 5th before it even becomes an issue.
Gear 2nd is a blitz amp and Snakeman is a blitz amp 4x greater than that, which accelerates the longer it's in use. Not to mention Luffy's Future Sight. I doubt Luffy would even get tagged by anything that isn't ON.
Hellblaze would get deflected by Luffy's attack reflection.
For example?
It would be « at most 3.49x » if Zeldris wasn’t litteraly a one shot gap above 1.5 zettatons without ON.
So what’s the point of making him starting in base then if he magically transforms into G5
Do you have values ?
Ok which Zeldris can now use while moving/flying with extended range and can litteraly expands his darkness to search you
Luffy touching Hellblaze Would be an auto win for Zeldris tho.
A curse that not even the strongest druids can put out that he can inflict even to people that resists curse manip.
As it Luffy, which is why it is as most, since Luffy has amps on top of his base that he starts with (such as advanced Haki) meaning the gap will never be more than that.
He's turn Gear 5 if Zeldris pushes him to use it. It's up to you to argue if he can. ON definitely would prompt a transformation.
Ah, I forgot to equalize speed. They both have multipliers right? That was the main reason I used the versions in the OP
Would they be able to deal significant damage to Luffy or would they just morph his rubbery body? Luffy can also turn them to rubber himself to avoid taking a lot of damage.
Luffy explicitly is not touching them.
He put Merlin's soul to sleep? Luffy has a layered resistance to this.
Turning the darkness appendages into rubber so that when they make contact with Luffy they bounce him away instead of dealing significant damage.
Ominous nebula is a cutting attack that can destroy things in one hit like the hermit of moments which was overpowering Zeldris in his strongest form it also 20x faster than Zeldris so equal speed is won’t help. It’s not sleep manipulation it’s curse infliction. He would be incapacitated then swiftly beaten.
This is not a rule. In fact there are multiple instance in-story where non-Haki users beat Haki users. For example, Enel vs Luffy and Franky vs Sasaki. Haki just give users a lot of advantages that non-Haki users may not have.
The darkness he can’t see and is 20x faster than him? Also it does cutting damage and can one shot characters above him like the hermit of moments.
Snakeman is an amp 4x the blitz amp of Gear 2nd prior to accelerating. Kaidou was able to blitz an accelerated Snakeman, and Gear 5th could keep up with and even outspeed a faster version of Kaidou at moments. He also has future sight and good Kenbun, which allows users to see previously relative speeds in slow motion. This isn't the biggest issue. Ominous Nebula being a cutting attack doesn't mean that Luffy wouldn't turn it into rubber.
Yes, a curse that Merlin noted put her into a deep sleep.
What makes it invisible to Luffy?
Was joking. Anyway, Luffy fra
That doesn’t mean he can close a 20x speed difference. Again it’s curse infliction that’s just how it work on Merlin it could work differently on Luffy because he has no resistance. He would just be incapacitated and then Zeldris can win. Zeldris can use Omnious bind to restrict Luffy and beat him by using his sword. Why didn’t Luffy turn kaido cutting attacks into rubber after they hit him? Seems light there might be a small limitation on that ability. By the way Zeldris never holds back he always uses his full strength to win quickly. Ominous nebula can’t be grabbed it very fast tendrils of darkness that attack automatically.
It's not a 20x difference. It's less than a 5x difference. Future Sight let Katakuri see Luffy's attacks (which were 4x faster than him) in slow motion on top of Gear 5's speed (>4x base)
Incapacitated in what way? How does he land it? You're being very vague. Until you can answer these I'll have no idea what you're talking about.
Luffy has higher LS than Zeldris. Luffy in Gear 5th is stronger than Zeldris so if he gets close he'd get dura negged to death.
Because he was trying to keep Kaidou in place. He stood there and took a Bolo Breath as well even though we know he can change its properties via rubberizing.
Luffy will see it coming with Future Sight and immediately transform into Gear 5th, which grants him enough speed for Ominous Nebula to not be a blitz.
I thought we were restricting G5 Luffy? If you know who was going to win why make the matchup? Speed amps work differently in speed equalized. Ominous nebula is 23 times faster and that cannot be equalized. Just have faster perception won’t work. How he Luffy going to counter something that constantly cuts him and can one shot characters above Zeldris? Speaking of which what is the ap and durability for Luffy because if Zeldris is above then Omnious nebula should one shot. Also the LS advantage only applies to a form of gear 4 and gear 5th that’s all.
Demon characters have extreme resistance to mind manipulation.
My bad Omnious nebula is 25x speed increase meaning that Luffy amps might not cut it. And Omnious nebula works on characters with class p LS like Escanor.
I don't know who "we" are, as Gear 5th is literally mentioned in the OP.
The OP is allowed to have a vote.
Gear 4th Snakeman is over a 4x multiplier from an already blitz level amp before accelerating. Gear 5th is a lot faster than Snakeman Luffy, being able to keep up with and even outspeed Kaidou and Kizaru, both of which are characters who could blitz an accelerated Snakeman Luffy.
It's in the OP.
No it's for even his base. Zeldris is only Class P.
Is it 20, 23, or 25? You've given 3 different figures. Now I need a source. Link it. Regardless Luffy also has multipliers.
Yeah but... what about the other parts of ACoC? Fear hax and sleep hax for example.
Here is the link https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...i_:_Another_Shorty_King_Majesty_Brother_Speed
Again those are vague multipliers going to maybe several times at most. Which is not 25x also you can’t use multipliers unless they are specifically stated it’s in the rules.
The demon clan resist fear hax and status effect inducement which can include sleep inducement. Still if it affects the mind that extremes mind resistance can resist and if Zeldris is stronger than his aura should be able to deflect it. By the way by the looks of it Omnious nebula should one shot.
It doesn’t really matter he would have to hit Zeldris and that would lead him to being destroyed by Omnious nebula.
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Speedster what are you even talking about? These are Luffy's accepted multipliers that are used in scaling and on profiles. Zeldris' "25x" is not even an actual multiplier, just a number derived from a calc that you linked.
It does not have enough AP to destroy Luffy.
I'm pretty sure it's layered dawg.
Same applies to the demon clan just check their physiology page.I'm pretty sure it's layered dawg.
In the op you put that Omnious nebula is is 30 zetatons which is like 4x Luffy Ap and dura and like I said Omnious nebula can one shot enemies like it did to the hermit of moments even though it was overpowering him in his strongest form.
Omnious nebula multiplier was accepted there was a crt for it. I concede in the point that Luffy multipliers are valid. But they do not close a 25x speed game because of how vague a blitz is in one piece because based on what I seen even if a character is blitz they can still fight back against it as seen with Kaido and Luffy. Even if you stretch it to the point that that he can see Omnious nebula he can’t counter it without getting injured or one shot.One Piece: Momonosuke Muscles Onigashima
Speedster what are you even talking about? These are Luffy's accepted multipliers that are used in scaling and on profiles. Zeldris' "25x" is not even an actual multiplier, just a number derived from a calc that you linked.
Hermit of Moments scales below Luffy so being able to one-shot it doesn't mean much.
Link it.
Katakuri has been seen using Future Sight to view a 4x blitz amp in slow motion. Assuming it is a 25x amp (you need to link the CRT), Luffy has his own several multipliers to cover.
Getting injured is fine, however he can turn the darkness into rubber, or just power through with his superior lifting strength. Luffy is not getting one-shot or anything close to that.
I checked and it's not layered there.
Wouldn't he have to deal with the other types of Haki like Armament and Observation? He has advanced observation so he will know if he pops his tendrils, literally quite a few seconds before he does it.
To be fair seeing something fast in slow motion doesn’t increase the speed you can react to it as far as I know. If a character can see something faster than them in slow motion they would still need to be fast enough to counter it not like Luffy can make himself 25 times faster that’s assuming he can even see something 25 times faster in slow motion in the first place which I am still waiting for scans on. For the speed crt try asking demon lord because I am having a bit of trouble finding it. Speaking of which I don’t think the Nnt speed scale is complete because they are supposed to be upgraded to MFTL.
There was a crt about this try asking makai. By the way why would Luffy scale to momonosuke feat? You can’t just scale a characters LS unless they fought and they are evenly matched LS wise. By the way I am unfollowing and leaving the rest to Makai and demon lord.
Again it's not 25x as Luffy has his own multipliers. Kenbunshoku Haku amps for perceptions and reactions meaning Luffy would be able to move. Same thing happened for Katakuri.
