Two guys that never-ever-ever die (Devil Hulk vs Fusion Zamasu)

[MrKerf]

God, these 1-A haxes

Both are Low 1-C (and both are 5-D)

Devil Hulk key used.

Zamasu is assumed to have Goku's abilities (as they are otherwise stated as possibly).

Speed is equal.

"You wonder why I'm angry?": 1 (Entity)

"My form is justice. And my form is the world.":

Inconclusive: 1 (Arkansalter2)

 

[Entity]

following

 

[Mickey1940]

might be a dumb question but does Hulk have infinite Accelerated Development? cuz Merged Zamasu does

Both can't really kill each other but Merged Zamasu can just dogpile Hulk with infinite clones and ig lock him down long enough to incon?

they're really just gonna be punching each other without much effect and neither have solid wincons but Zamasu can just stand back and relax with a pina colada while his clones do the work

for all eternity

i guess

 

[Johner2133451]

seems incon

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Hulk can release bursts of Gamma Radiation.

• Limited Radiation Manipulation (Can release massive bursts of gamma radiation capable of leveling cities, involuntarily, when enraged)
  • Power Nullification & Resistance Negation (His radiation negates invulnerability, including invulnerability to Mind Manipulation)

Which going by the explanations on the profile, seems to naturally be CM type 1 hax (though someone should call a Marvel supporter to verify if it is combat applicable or not). Which would bypass Zamasu's regeneration and kill him and all his clones instantly through sheer range

Also, iirc, passive amps like Rage Power cannot be restricted, so Hulk could grow in strength up to 1-A, making Zamasu's clones a nuisance at best.

So, unless any of my reasoning above is wrong or Zamasu has some way to deal with Hulk, he stomps. Zamasu cannot BFR him as he resists it, and has no means to definitely kill Hulk due to his Immortality type 4. Meanwhile, Hulk's gamma radiation bursts would end Zamasu

 

[Mickey1940]

Hulk can release bursts of Gamma Radiation.

Which going by the explanations on the profile, seems to naturally be CM type 1 hax (though someone should call a Marvel supporter to verify if it is combat applicable or not). Which would bypass Zamasu's regeneration and kill him and all his clones instantly through sheer range

Also, iirc, passive amps like Rage Power cannot be restricted, so Hulk could grow in strength up to 1-A, making Zamasu's clones a nuisance at best.

So, unless any of my reasoning above is wrong or Zamasu has some way to deal with Hulk, he stomps. Zamasu cannot BFR him as he resists it, and has no means to definitely kill Hulk due to his Immortality type 4. Meanwhile, Hulk's gamma radiation bursts would end Zamasu

what is cm

 

[Johner2133451]

what is cm

Conceptual Manipulation

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Conceptual Manipulation

 

[Mickey1940]

Conceptual Manipulation

ok

so

what exactly does it do

and how exactly does it bypass regen

 

[Arkansalter2]

what exactly does it do

and how exactly does it bypass regen

Basically Gamma CM on a 1-A level.

 

[MrKerf]

Yeah, I asked about it prior to the match, got two conflicting answers. Fun XD

I think, that his powers are derivative of the Gamma, which is tier 1, which is the only thing tier 1 he can control. So, it wouldn’t give him anything outside of what you’d expect from his normal skill and power sets.

Also

Hulk can release bursts of Gamma Radiation.

Which going by the explanations on the profile, seems to naturally be CM type 1 hax (though someone should call a Marvel supporter to verify if it is combat applicable or not). Which would bypass Zamasu's regeneration and kill him and all his clones instantly through sheer range

Not only does the scan suggest it works only on gods (), it also works only on invulnerability, which Zamasu doesn’t have.

I’ll reserve the judgement on whether or not Hulk can grow beyond the tier and all though.

 

[Entity]

Also, iirc, passive amps like Rage Power cannot be restricted, so Hulk could grow in strength up to 1-A

Bruce Banner can limit Hulk's power subconsciously, so his AP can be restricted

 

[Entity]

Not only does the scan suggest it works only on gods

What works only on gods?

 

[MrKerf]

What works only on gods?

• Limited Radiation Manipulation (Can release massive bursts of gamma radiation capable of leveling cities, involuntarily, when enraged)
  • Power Nullification & Resistance Negation (His radiation negatesinvulnerability, including invulnerability to Mind Manipulation)

The scan suggests that Invulnerability negation happens not due to radiation in particular, but because of his opponent being sensitive to it.

 

[Entity]

• Limited Radiation Manipulation (Can release massive bursts of gamma radiation capable of leveling cities, involuntarily, when enraged)
  • Power Nullification & Resistance Negation (His radiation negatesinvulnerability, including invulnerability to Mind Manipulation)

The scan suggests that Invulnerability negation happens not due to radiation in particular, but because of his opponent being sensitive to it.

Perphas, I'm not sure since I didn't read the comic

 

[Entity]

Anyway, Hulk could technically absorb all of Zamasu's ki, but I don't know what the effects for Hulk would be

 

[MrKerf]

Anyway, Hulk could technically absorb all of Zamasu's ki, but I don't know what the effects for Hulk would be

He can't absorb all the ki, since Zamasu is not only master of a regular ki, but also has a God Ki, which allows him to make enhanced force fields, which are specifically stated to protect from absorption.

 

[StrymULTRA]

He can't absorb all the ki, since Zamasu is not only master of a regular ki, but also has a God Ki, which allows him to make enhanced force fields, which are specifically stated to protect from absorption.

Gamma radiations are 1-A in nature, so this arg. is moot.

Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1) & Others (Up to 1-A; All gamma radiation, in its multiple forms e.g, most primal and abstract form that is neither particle nor wave, is an emanation of The One Below All. It is comes for The Below place where the One Below All stays. The Below Place is also the lowest point of all, the infinite abyss that lies underneath creation as its bedrock, encompassing the Qlippoth that serve as the dark reflections of each Sefirot in the Mystery. Gamma is both science and magic)

 

[Entity]

He can't absorb all the ki, since Zamasu is not only master of a regular ki, but also has a God Ki, which allows him to make enhanced force fields, which are specifically stated to protect from absorption.

Silver Surfer has resistance to absorption too, but Red Hulk was able to absorb his Cosmic Power, that is something is able to do too, Devil Hulk also has an affinity with magic and darkness

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Not only does the scan suggest it works only on gods (), it also works only on invulnerability, which Zamasu doesn’t have.

I’ll reserve the judgement on whether or not Hulk can grow beyond the tier and all though.

Nowhere it is said Gamma Radiation only works on Gods. That's about the capability of Gamma Radiation negating invulnerability to Mind Manipulation, not Gamma Radiation in general

 

[Entity]

negating invulnerability to Mind Manipulation

the guy was invulnerable not only to mind manipulation

 

[MrKerf]

Silver Surfer has resistance to absorption too, but Red Hulk was able to absorb his Cosmic Power, that is something is able to do too, Devil Hulk also has an affinity with magic and darkness

I am fairly sure Zamasu's forcefield would be layered, since it's a Special type of Ki, and affinity to magic doesn't help against Ki. But it still might work, yes. I am not sure how quickly can Zamasu restore his Ki reserves, though, so I am not sure how effective it would be. Wouldn't stop his Immortality for sure, and eventually Zamasu might adapt to it.

Nowhere it is said Gamma Radiation only works on Gods. That's about the capability of Gamma Radiation negating invulnerability to Mind Manipulation, not Gamma Radiation in general

"Yes, you’re a walking source of low-level gamma radiation, and something in Achilles’ make-up has him particularly sensitive to it. It breaks down his invulnerability."

Gamma radiations are 1-A in nature, so this arg. is moot.

Just tell me how it works in practice man, just repeating it over and over doesn't help here. I tried my best, but this CM thing is hard to comprehend.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Just tell me how it works in practice man, just repeating it over and over doesn't help here. I tried my best, but this CM thing is hard to comprehend.

It basically works beyond any possible scope of dimension-bound stuff like God ki, as no matter how many layers or dimensions the DB verse Ki can reach to, it'll never reach the scope of a 1-A source of power like Marvel verse magic.

It's why is called qualitative superiority, because a 1-A thing, due to its very nature, will be beyond any kind of extension and amplification of a non 1-A thing because the latter will always be bound to something of a lower "quality" than the 1-A thing.

Basically, Magic in Marvel will be already above any possible layer or extension in any kind of dimensions Ki can expand to, because the latter is not 1-A. As Hulk can absorb Magic, he can bypass any layer the God Ki has.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

"Yes, you’re a walking source of low-level gamma radiation, and something in Achilles’ make-up has him particularly sensitive to it. It breaks down his invulnerability."

That's, again, talking about not only low-level Gamma Radiation, but also about breaking his invulnerability.

Unless you think this whole city, the car, the ground, the city blocks are coincidentally vulnerable to Gamma Radiation.

Anyway, if CM Type 1 is combat applicable, then Hulk eventually bursts Gamma Radiation and stomp, as Zamasu has no way to deny that

 

[Entity]

affinity to magic doesn't help against Ki.

Yeah, yeah, I know, I don't remember what Zamasu could do with magic tho, I remember him having it

eventually Zamasu might adapt to it.

I'm not so sure about that, Goku and Vegeta could not adapt to Moro's absorbinh ability and Hulk's is even more advanced given what he can absorb

 

[MrKerf]

It basically works beyond any possible scope of dimension-bound stuff like God ki, as no matter how many layers or dimensions the DB verse Ki can reach to, it'll never reach the scope of a 1-A source of power like Marvel verse magic.

It's why is called qualitative superiority, because a 1-A thing, due to its very nature, will be beyond any kind of extension and amplification of a non 1-A thing because the latter will always be bound to something of a lower "quality" than the 1-A thing.

Basically, Magic in Marvel will be already above any possible layer or extension in any kind of dimensions Ki can expand to, because the latter is not 1-A. As Hulk can absorb Magic, he can bypass any layer the God Ki has.

So, basically, no matter what, his gamma energy stuff will always work because it's 1-A. And it applies to every ability he has, including absorption? Even if absorption, on a surface level, has nothing to do with gamma?

That's, again, talking about not only low-level Gamma Radiation, but also about breaking his invulnerability.
Unless you think this whole city, the car, the ground, the city blocks are coincidentally vulnerable to Gamma Radiation.

Hey, I'm just commenting on the stuff on the page. Which suggest that it works on Invulnerability specifically, and not immortalities. And the scan is questionable, what can I do?

Yeah, yeah, I know, I don't remember what Zamasu could do with magic tho, I remember him having it

I'm not so sure about that, Goku and Vegeta could not adapt to Moro's absorbinh ability and Hulk's is even more advanced given what he can absorb

I don't think it's fair to use such comparisons, since Moro wasn't in DBH, as far as I know.
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Alright, let's first address the elephant in the room. How will CM 1-A Gamma work in this match? Even prior to this match, I had a few statements that contradicted one another, so let's address it first.

 

[Entity]

Even prior to this match, I had a few statements that contradicted one another, so let's address it first.

I already told you that, his CM does not permit him to control concepts but enhances all of his supernatural abilities, like the absorption one, able to absorb conceptual energies with 1-A rating, this means Zamasu's resistance to absorption and adaptation are not enough to stop Hulk from absorbing his ki. Hulk will be able to absorb his ki not only because he uses Gamma, but because he can absorb Gamma and Magic, which are both 1-A energies and concepts

 

[MrKerf]

I already told you that, his CM does not permit him to control concepts but enhances all of his supernatural abilities, like the absorption one, able to absorb conceptual energies with 1-A rating, this means Zamasu's resistance to absorption and adaptation are not enough to stop Hulk from absorbing his ki. Hulk will be able to absorb his ki not only because he uses Gamma, but because he can absorb Gamma and Magic, which are both 1-A energies and concepts

So he absorbed 1-A energy, meaning he can absorb anything lesser as well. I guess I can get behind that. But you also said prior that he used gamma blasts against people like the Thing. Sooo, it doesn't necessarily affect AP, and doesn't auto stomp?
Or it always works regardless? In that case, does it auto deny Zamasu's immortality for example, simply because 1-A?

Also, Hulk's win against Patrick looks more and more like a stomp, hrrmmmm.

 

[Entity]

Sooo, it doesn't necessarily affect AP, and doesn't auto stomp?

Nono, him using Gamma doesn't affect his AP, only the hax

 

[Entity]

Maybe Hulk could eat him like he did with that ******** of a scientist by regenerating around him and absorbing his body

 

[Entity]

Or it always works regardless? In that case, does it auto deny Zamasu's immortality for example, simply because 1-A?

Idk

 

[StrymULTRA]

So, basically, no matter what, his gamma energy stuff will always work because it's 1-A. And it applies to every ability he has, including absorption? Even if absorption, on a surface level, has nothing to do with gamma?

By verse equalization, if the abilities are similar enough due to similar mechanics, then yes.

Sooo, it doesn't necessarily affect AP, and doesn't auto stomp?

Not AP here, but like hax potency. An EE attack can bypass layers of resistance/NEP, but it'd still be the same AP as a normal EE attack that does not have feats of affecting that stuff.

 

[Hayato5652]

Anyway, Hulk could technically absorb all of Zamasu's ki, but I don't know what the effects for Hulk would be

Zamasu has infinite energy,
as well as infinite ki and infinite stamina.

Has Hulk ever fought an opponent like that? And was he able to absorb their energy?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Zamasu has infinite energy,
as well as infinite ki and infinite stamina.

Has Hulk ever fought an opponent like that? And was he able to absorb their energy?

Infinite energy > 1-A?

 

[Entity]

Has Hulk ever fought an opponent like that? And was he able to absorb their energy?

Searched it, but no, so I guess draining him is not an option, at least he gets to power-up and gain resistances and powers absorbing his ki

 

[Hayato5652]

Searched it, but no, so I guess draining him is not an option, at least he gets to power-up and gain resistances and powers absorbing his ki

I think this fight will go on forever.

 

[Entity]

So inconclusive it is

 

[MrKerf]

Well, it's too early for that imho.

 

[MrKerf]

But I can't deny your votes though. So if you want to lock your vote in, write as a vote, so I knew officially.

 

[Entity]

I vote inconclusive