BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[Johner2133451]

The lifting feat wouldn't do anything now I don't think besides maybe increase his LS.

Can you check this?

Gerard Valkyrie vs Arthur Boyle (1-0-4)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Gerard_Valkyrie https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Arthur_Boyle#Base Speed equalized Gerard at his moon level key: @Adam1396 Arthur: Incon: @Arkenis, @Johner2133451, @CastoriceTheFifth, @Arkansalter2

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[Giannysmag]

A captain's reaction to Fraudchigo's strongest attack

("lend me some power Zangetsu, this is suppressed eye patch Kenny we are up against" looking ass strawberry)
Vs a captain's reaction to my glorious king Chad's strongest attack

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

The absolute aura being exuded from the page, I wanna see more about Urahara so bad

I would say some very NSFW things about this man but I'll get banned if I did

Gojo was inspired by Kisuke, so it's no wonder you fell for him.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Except he ain't a fraud

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Gojo and Kisuke are just two very different characters who serve different purposes. Gojo opposes the status quo, Kisuke quite literally upholds the status quo.

 

[Ped2018]

Gojo and Kisuke are just two very different characters who serve different purposes. Gojo opposes the status quo, Kisuke quite literally upholds the status quo.

Nerd

 

[WheelSome]

SK Yhwach has the power to remake the 3 worlds.

激戦続く『相剋譚』 クライマックスへ!

The fierce battle continues in "The Conflict", heading towards the climax!

ユーハバッハの見た未来どおり、霊王を斬ってしまった一護。揺らぐ世界を繋ぎ止めるべく、浮竹は自らの命と引き換えに霊王の右腕”と化す。だがユーハバッハは霊王を取り込み、世界を創り変えるほどの力を手に入れてしまった。それでも一護は己の使命から逃げることなく、仲間と奔走。そんな彼の心を揺さぶるのは、躊躇なく矢を放ってくる雨竜だ。彼は本当にかつての仲間である一護たちの敵となってしまったのか･･･?

Just as Yhwach foresaw, Ichigo ends up slaying the Soul King. In order to hold the crumbling realms together, Ukitake sacrificed his own life, becoming the "Soul King's Right Arm". However, Yhwach absorbs the Soul King, gaining enough power to remake the realms. Despite this, Ichigo refuses to abandon his duty, fighting desperately alongside his allies but what shakes his resolve is Uryū, who fires arrows at him without hesitation. Has he truly become an enemy of Ichigo and his former allies...?

 

[Bastolan27]

SK Yhwach has the power to remake the 3 worlds.

激戦続く『相剋譚』 クライマックスへ!

The fierce battle continues in "The Conflict", heading towards the climax!

ユーハバッハの見た未来どおり、霊王を斬ってしまった一護。揺らぐ世界を繋ぎ止めるべく、浮竹は自らの命と引き換えに霊王の右腕”と化す。だがユーハバッハは霊王を取り込み、世界を創り変えるほどの力を手に入れてしまった。それでも一護は己の使命から逃げることなく、仲間と奔走。そんな彼の心を揺さぶるのは、躊躇なく矢を放ってくる雨竜だ。彼は本当にかつての仲間である一護たちの敵となってしまったのか･･･?

Just as Yhwach foresaw, Ichigo ends up slaying the Soul King. In order to hold the crumbling realms together, Ukitake sacrificed his own life, becoming the "Soul King's Right Arm". However, Yhwach absorbs the Soul King, gaining enough power to remake the realms. Despite this, Ichigo refuses to abandon his duty, fighting desperately alongside his allies but what shakes his resolve is Uryū, who fires arrows at him without hesitation. Has he truly become an enemy of Ichigo and his former allies...?

Link the Source/scan

 

[WheelSome]

Link the Source/scan

Pash magazine this year January issue.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Translation is valid btw. In case anyone is curious

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Would be really nice if they gave us a visualization of the feat, we have a bajillion statements

 

[Adam1396]

SK Yhwach has the power to remake the 3 worlds.

激戦続く『相剋譚』 クライマックスへ!

The fierce battle continues in "The Conflict", heading towards the climax!

ユーハバッハの見た未来どおり、霊王を斬ってしまった一護。揺らぐ世界を繋ぎ止めるべく、浮竹は自らの命と引き換えに霊王の右腕”と化す。だがユーハバッハは霊王を取り込み、世界を創り変えるほどの力を手に入れてしまった。それでも一護は己の使命から逃げることなく、仲間と奔走。そんな彼の心を揺さぶるのは、躊躇なく矢を放ってくる雨竜だ。彼は本当にかつての仲間である一護たちの敵となってしまったのか･･･?

Just as Yhwach foresaw, Ichigo ends up slaying the Soul King. In order to hold the crumbling realms together, Ukitake sacrificed his own life, becoming the "Soul King's Right Arm". However, Yhwach absorbs the Soul King, gaining enough power to remake the realms. Despite this, Ichigo refuses to abandon his duty, fighting desperately alongside his allies but what shakes his resolve is Uryū, who fires arrows at him without hesitation. Has he truly become an enemy of Ichigo and his former allies...?

We have quite a few statement regarding his capabilities anyway.

Would be really nice if they gave us a visualization of the feat, we have a bajillion statements

They gonna give visual details about almighty most likely. It's probably like how he it was shown against ichibei. I wonder if it was reality rewriting or just telekinesis or telekinesis as a byproduct of reality rewriting.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I’m talking about Yhwach destroying the realms. Not his Almighty. Although they could use him viewing a possible future to show that. We know Reio can bestow visions, since he did that to Ichigo, maybe Yhwach could do that too. Hit em with a “hey buddy I’m doing this it’s futile to oppose me” would be very in line with his character

 

[Adam1396]

I’m talking about Yhwach destroying the realms. Not his Almighty. Although they could use him viewing a possible future to show that. We know Reio can bestow visions, since he did that to Ichigo, maybe Yhwach could do that too. Hit em with a “hey buddy I’m doing this it’s futile to oppose me” would be very in line with his character

Even jugram could show vision. It would be irrational to think yhwach can't

 

[Adam1396]

Just watched the fight between yhwach and ichibei again.
Ichibei's statement makes it clear that yhwach would only regain his almighty after death. And yhwach could see thousand years ahead without almighty hence his words he could see this far and that's how also 999 poem came to be. He already foresaw. Also it would be weird for an ant to survive ichibei's stomps. Almighty just popped him back to life, there's always some weird stuff goes on with things related to soul king.

So yhwach most likely died in that scene.

 

[Infinite9Luck]

I think the anime implied that Yhwach had already predicted everything starting from the moment before Ichibei sealed his Almighty. That’s why Yhwach never seemed worried, he had basically already foreseen all possible outcomes.
This also explains why he confronted the Squad Zero with such confidence, he already knew he would get it back and win.

Also even before getting the Almighty, Yhwach predicted where Ichibe would have died as well meaning it saw it in the past, so Kubo always had this in mind in the manga.

 

[Adam1396]

I think the anime implied that Yhwach had already predicted everything starting from the moment before Ichibei sealed his Almighty. That’s why Yhwach never seemed worried, he had basically already foreseen all possible outcomes.
This also explains why he confronted the Squad Zero with such confidence, he already knew he would get it back and win.

Also even before getting the Almighty, Yhwach predicted where Ichibe would have died as well meaning it saw it in the past, so Kubo always had this in mind in the manga.

Except this assumption contradicts ichibei's statement,
And yhwach's explicit statement "could see this far with closed eyes".
If yhwach saw this with almighty, he wouldn't have made such deliberate statement "eyes closed" which aligns with ichibei's statement.
Also this is forseeing not prediction.

It all implies yhwach can still see determined future with closed eyes, while almighty lets him to see possibilities in adition and altering these possibilities itself.

 

[Infinite9Luck]

Except this assumption contradicts ichibei's statement,
And yhwach's explicit statement "could see this far with closed eyes".
If yhwach saw this with almighty, he wouldn't have made such deliberate statement "eyes closed" which aligns with ichibei's statement.
Also this is forseeing not prediction.

It all implies yhwach can still see determined future with closed eyes, while almighty lets him to see possibilities in adition and altering these possibilities itself.

I disagree with most of that. Jugram clearly says he couldn’t see the future when the poem ended, and Yhwach himself admitted that he lost his vision after talking to Ichibei. So the idea that he could still see the future without the Almighty doesn’t really make sense to me.

Even with Ichigo, he explicitly turned the Almighty off, he either sees the future or he doesn’t.

It makes much more sense that, in the distant past, Yhwach, similar to the old Soul King, glimpsed thousands of years into the future and used that knowledge to craft a very specific plan, timing everything perfectly to counter Ichibei and get the Almighty back, knowing already he how and where he would die.

This explain his plan and his confidence to attack S0 in that specific way to then go to the SK and align with Kubo's subtle writing more.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Would be really nice if they gave us a visualization of the feat, we have a bajillion statements

The way I see it, it would be almost the same visual with the two worlds merging feat in memories of nobody if they show it, because in cour 3 the seretei appearance over the karakura town is fluctuating almost like how it was in mon.

Also I don't know if anybody picked this, the cracks that were appearing in all three realms in cour 3' last episode are the same cracks (distortions) back in cour 1 when the quinces eradicated many hollows, only this time the distortions are much bigger and more in number and are being created by the casual raw power from a sleeping yhwach rather than a byproduct of hollow eradication and as you know, the distortions wield massive amounts of energy capable of merging the realms and can be used as energy in other ways. Yhwach being able to casually create massive amounts of distortion while sleeping with his power should be a nice supporting evidence.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Yeah but maybe we will be blessed with a super blatant portrayal in cour 4 time will tell

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Yeah but maybe we will be blessed with a super blatant portrayal in cour 4 time will tell

Ichigo casually flexing galaxies apart with his sword swings

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

That’s not happening lmao

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Then what the **** you meant by "super blatant portrayal"? That's the most blatant we can go LMAO

 

[AppleLord]

Someone messed up the Bleach scaling and made everyone Solar System level based on “scaling to Squad Zero” base which makes no sense.

Quilge, Ayon, Urahara and Aizen are loop.

It should be Moon level, as Multi Solar System level feat is Bankai released Oath seal. The scaling says they scale to “base squad zero” but at the same time it says that Squad Zero has yet to “use power equivalent to one Gotei 13 captain by Oetsu.”

There is something wrong here.

 

[Entity]

Ichigo casually flexing galaxies apart with his sword swings

Ichigo crushing a five dimensional timeline with his reiatsu

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Ichigo crushing a five dimensional timeline with his reiatsu

Knowing you ******* this might be a thing soon

 

[Giannysmag]

Ichigo casually flexing galaxies apart with his sword swings

Hill busting take it or leave

 

[Infinite9Luck]

Someone messed up the Bleach scaling and made everyone Solar System level based on “scaling to Squad Zero” base which makes no sense.

Quilge, Ayon, Urahara and Aizen are loop.

It should be Moon level, as Multi Solar System level feat is Bankai released Oath seal. The scaling says they scale to “base squad zero” but at the same time it says that Squad Zero has yet to “use power equivalent to one Gotei 13 captain by Oetsu.”

There is something wrong here.

The Multi-Solar System level scaling are 2 different values, some characters scales from Gremmy, S0 ha nothing to do with that.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Then what the **** you meant by "super blatant portrayal"? That's the most blatant we can go LMAO

Uh I’m pretty sure I said a visual depiction of Yhwach destroying the universe… ya know sumn we could realistically see in an Almighty vision… read brother

 

[Adam1396]

The Multi-Solar System level scaling are 2 different values, some characters scales from Gremmy, S0 ha nothing to do with that.

This might change well. At that point we can't guess what going to be added in cour 4 other than some obvious stuffs.

I disagree with most of that. Jugram clearly says he couldn’t see the future when the poem ended, and Yhwach himself admitted that he lost his vision after talking to Ichibei. So the idea that he could still see the future without the Almighty doesn’t really make sense to me.

Even with Ichigo, he explicitly turned the Almighty off, he either sees the future or he doesn’t.

It makes much more sense that, in the distant past, Yhwach, similar to the old Soul King, glimpsed thousands of years into the future and used that knowledge to craft a very specific plan, timing everything perfectly to counter Ichibei and get the Almighty back, knowing already he how and where he would die.

This explain his plan and his confidence to attack S0 in that specific way to then go to the SK and align with Kubo's subtle writing more.

I am not denying almighty could see far into future. It just shows vast array of futures (nonlinear, infinite) . Yhwach was talking about singular future vision which he saw without almighty. And he never thoight he could see this far, implying he himself wasn’t sure he could see this far without almighty with such "accuracy"
As I have mentioned your whole explanation contradicts some key points nade by two most knowledgeable characters within the verse.

Jugram and Yhwach is vastly different even if they are half brother. They are almost exact opposite.

 

[Adam1396]

After it's done I will add conceptual erasure (type 2) on ichibei's profile. It simply doesn’t make sense ichibei's whose zankpakuto is inherently superior than the rest of zankpakutos and kidos would have just ee. And in the statement he explicitly mentions different phusical, spiritual states, then mentions turning "everything" into nothingness won't include name as well when his whole set up is with name and he could wipe it out with inferior moves. Even further he mentions the place of nothingness as pitch black hell which is usually refered as absolute nothingness where someone's very essence become nonexistent.

What do you guys think? His final move being on similar level as other shinigami's final move or basic move or even not getting snytging beyond final result of kido looks irrational to me.

It simply doesn’t make sense to me it won't include essecnce in"everything" when his main thing is to manipulating essence and he explicitly mentions whole spiritual aspect just before that.
Nothing in that whole panel seems hyperbolic or metaphore considering the situation and his ability sets. And if we are to take half of it as literal half of it as metaphor it would simply be nonsensical and hypocritical.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Huh

 

[Deceived3596]

Adam has clearly transcended the English language, and is now speaking a language not discernible by any living creature.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

“Minecraft enchantment table” ~ deceived

 

[Westcoast5005]

Long time. Just got a question if anyone could give opinion. What faction/race has theoretically the highest potential between shinigami arrancar Quincy fullbrings

 

[Adam1396]

Adam has clearly transcended the English language, and is now speaking a language not discernible by any living creature.

It's not a flex when you are insulting a non english speaker about the language. Horrible joke. Nausance at peak

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Adam do you use Google translate (no mockery, genuine question)?

 

[Adam1396]

Adam do you use Google translate (no mockery, genuine question)?

Why do you think I would percieve that as mockery. I am more than capable of understanding the subject and cohererence with context and intention. That kinda sounded rude ( I know your intention wasn’t that) . Sorry I had to say that, since I think we need be clear.

Off course not. I always try to find scans already used on this wiki even if it's on some unaccepted thread used by trusted members. Cause I trust our bleach fandom, that they are not desparate to use mistranslation. But when I can't find accepted scans, I try my best to find official scans. If not, simply use the most alligned translation on the google.

Can you tell me where that come from? I am pretty sure I never used some weird translation.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Why do you think I would percieve that as mockery. I am more than capable of understanding the subject and cohererence with context and intention. That kinda sounded rude ( I know your intention wasn’t that) . Sorry I had to say that, since I think we need be clear.

Off course not. I always try to find scans already used on this wiki even if it's on some unaccepted thread used by trusted members. Cause I trust our bleach fandom, that they are not desparate to use mistranslation. But when I can't find accepted scans, I try my best to find official scans. If not, simply use the most alligned translation on the google.

Can you tell me where that come from? I am pretty sure I never used some weird translation.

I’m just asking a question brother. Like do you know a little bit of English yourself or use a translator