Mori Jin (The God of High School) vs Arthur Leywin (The Beginning After The End)

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Mori Jin

Mori Jin (진모리?) is the main protagonist of The God of High School. Having been taught his grandfather's signature brand of Taekwondo, he frequently picked fights with others his age, having won three hundred street brawls before meeting Commissioner R. Although he broke the Judge's arm, Mori was...

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Arthur Leywin (Mana Core)

Arthur Leywin is the main protagonist of The Beginning After The End. In his previous life, he was known as King Grey, a ruler who stood at the pinnacle of combat and authority in his world. However, his life was cut short when he was assassinated. Instead of meeting a final end, he was...

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Both Low 7-B
SBA
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[DavidTPPM]

What's Arthur's opening stuff?

 

[Foriaa]

What's Arthur's opening stuff?

Elemental Blades made of fire, wind, lightning etc. Is open to using things like Thunderclap Impulse to amplify perception several time, and will go into Realmheart Physique to amplify utilization of Mana. He also uses Static Void to stop time, but can't actually hit people within it, so those with good skill/physicals can dodge point blank still. Arthur has 4 layers of Fear Hax, 6 if he's within Realmheart from exerting his Aura alongside layered power null. Arthur is very skilled hand to hand, can look at the twitches of people's muscles to anticipate attacks, react off guard to attacks etc.

I haven't read GOH, but looking at the profiles, Mori seems to be vastly more skilled, and if he has his Yeoui staff thing, nothing Arthur can do will allow for him to survive except using Burst Step which Arthur can only use like twice before fatiguing to hell. The staff has interplanetary range so Arthur genuinely gets killed right away if Mori decides to use that.

However, how does Mori deal with 4 - 6 layers of Fear Hax?

 

[Testarossa002]

Both Low 7-B

Are you restricting Realmheart?
Because it bumps him to 7-A and High 6-C in two keys
Ntm, most of his good stuffs are available only with Realmheart

 

[Foriaa]

Ntm, most of his good stuffs are available only with Realmheart

It might not be necessary if Mori doesn't have any resistance to Arthur's fear hax.

 

[Testarossa002]

well if i dont restrict it he just one shots

what key are you using?
the 3 keys with low 7-B all have access to different levels of abilities (see the note on Core Abilities in his pna)

 

[Foriaa]

Voting Arthur for now.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Elemental Blades made of fire, wind, lightning etc. Is open to using things like Thunderclap Impulse to amplify perception several time, and will go into Realmheart Physique to amplify utilization of Mana. He also uses Static Void to stop time, but can't actually hit people within it, so those with good skill/physicals can dodge point blank still.

Seems pretty standard, nothing too scary

Arthur has 4 layers of Fear Hax, 6 if he's within Realmheart from exerting his Aura

Fear hax are an extremely basic ability in GoH and characters are constantly shown capable of overcoming it with willpower even if they don't resist it. We're talking fear so strong it makes people go insane, paralyzes their body, makes them see hallucinations, and affects their very soul and DNA.

So even if Mori doesn't outright resist it he'll be fine. We even see him adapt throughout the adventure arc where at first he gets paralyzed by a bishop and later isn't affected by a god.

alongside layered power null.

How exactly does it work? Reading the pages it seems to refer to mana and magic abilities but Mori uses nothing like that. He's actually canonically the best person to fight Sujin and Jegal because they both power null everyone else in the verse at that point but Mori is basically unaffected by it since he doesn't use magic-ish abilities.

Arthur is very skilled hand to hand, can look at the twitches of people's muscles to anticipate attacks, react off guard to attacks etc.

Solid

I haven't read GOH, but looking at the profiles, Mori seems to be vastly more skilled, and if he has his Yeoui staff thing, nothing Arthur can do will allow for him to survive except using Burst Step which Arthur can only use like twice before fatiguing to hell. The staff has interplanetary range so Arthur genuinely gets killed right away if Mori decides to use that.

Base Mori here is actually still pretty limited with Yeoui as it drains his MK stamina pretty fast and afterwards he can't use the staff anymore.

Also how does realm heart work? Because Mori might just AD to Arthur's realmheart level if it's not restricted

 

[Foriaa]

How exactly does it work? Reading the pages it seems to refer to mana and magic abilities but Mori uses nothing like that.

Thought so too, I only watched the anime and it seems Mori strictly throws hands, Arthur's power null would mean nothing here.

Also how does realm heart work? Because Mori might just AD to Arthur's realmheart level if it's not restricted

He perceives all the Mana and Aether that surrounds him, which allows for him to be more efficient in using Mana. He can use abilities he normally can't like Gravity hax etc. He can also cancel spells in this form, but that wouldn't matter here.

Base Mori here is actually still pretty limited with Yeoui as it drains his MK stamina pretty fast and afterwards he can't use the staff anymore.

Does it have any decent range still, I remember seeing an image of him shooting it from the fcking moon or some shi.

 

[DavidTPPM]

He perceives all the Mana and Aether that surrounds him, which allows for him to be more efficient in using Mana. He can use abilities he normally can't like Gravity hax etc. He can also cancel spells in this form, but that wouldn't matter here.

Yeah Mori would probably just jump to his level through reactive evolution so technically if it helps Arthur use his moves better it doesn't need to be restricted.

Does it have any decent range still, I remember seeing an image of him shooting it from the fcking moon or some shi.

Yeah still solid range. That's in his incomplete and complete monkey king modes. He's in base here he could reach up to the atmosphere with the Yeoui (not exactly moon distance but good enough).

But like I said in his key Mori is not yet skilled with Yeoui so if he could he will use martial arts instead, only relying on Yeoui when it's necessary. (such as to BFR the sky whales to space)

 

[Foriaa]

Vote changing to Mori via superior skill, AD and range.

 

[Testarossa002]

Since this is post timeskip base Arthur, let me list out his noteworthy abilities

• Damage Reduction: Uses his knowledge on Earth mana to divert his opponents physical attacks to the ground below his feet which leaves him undamaged. He also uses wind mana to effectively remove all the force behind an opponent’s physical attack via air pressure. Should be particularly useful against a CQC fighter like Mori

Camus lowered his stance, holding an open palm out toward me. “Before we start, I want you to throw a punch at me, right here.”
“What?”
“A punch, right here in this palm that I have so helpfully held out.”
“Just a punch?” I asked, confused.
“An augmented punch, one that you would throw at your enemies.” He spread his legs a bit wider. “Come on, I’m ready.”
“Okay.” I shrugged, then covered the few feet of ground between us. Planting my foot just below his extended arm, I turned my hips, waist, shoulder and arm in one fluid motion. Mana coursed up, flowing in conjunction with the punch to produce a concise, explosive effect without wasting a drop of mana.
Just before my fist hit Camus’s palm, however, it suddenly felt like I was trying to force my fist through a thick layer of tar. I could see my own fist slowing until it fell gently into Camus’s open hand, barely making a noise.

He rubbed his injured hand. “You caught on quick.”
“You used air pressure!” I beamed excitedly. “You created a vacuum around me and raised the air pressure in your palm to slow down my fist.”
The elder tilted his head. “You use strange terms, but it sounds like you got the gist of it.”
“That’s brilliant! How did you think of doing that?” I asked, unable to contain my excitement.
The scientific progress in this world was miles behind where I had come from. However, Camus had figured out how to utilize an advanced principle of air pressure—not just on himself, but on his opponent as well—to create a powerful effect

• Martial Arts and Accelerated Development: I don't really understand how skill scaling works here but Arthur is no bum when it comes to CQC. Like his intelligence section states, he can keep up (and eventually defeat) multiple combatants who were superior to him stat wise

Yet even with all of the restrictions in place, Arthur was still holding on.
No, it was more than that now—Arthur was slowly beginning to catch up.
In the span of only a few days inside the soul realm, Arthur had begun to match Taci. Though he had not yet learned the true combat art of the Thyestes clan, he was devouring our knowledge like a starving beast and making it his own.
Despite the speed and power of Taci’s attacks, Arthur was able to persist against him. With each punch, kick, slash, and throw Arthur faced, his steps, his shifts, his movements… they were all becoming faster and sharper, as if his body was instinctively paring away unnecessary movement. His improvement was coming at a speed that was easily discernible even to one not trained in combat. How was this possible? What was his past like? How many people must he have fought in order to develop this aberrant level of perception?

“Time!” Kordri’s voice thundered, bringing us all to a standstill.
“Damn it!”
“So close!”
“We could’ve had him if you had given us one more minute, Master!”
Of the four of them, only Taci didn’t say anything, merely clicking his tongue in dissatisfaction before turning away.
“Enough! It is four against one and you still dare to complain after being unable to land a single, solid hit on Arthur? I should have you lot retrained from the basics!” the four-eyed asura shouted in rebuke. Turning his attention to me, he shot me a smile of acknowledgment. “How do you feel, Arthur?”
Returning his smile and shaking off the stinging pain in my wrist from blocking the last attack, I replied, “Never better.”

• Stat boosts: Realmheart is restricted here. He, however, has access to Thunderclap Impulse (a 3x reaction boost) and Wind based speed boost. He also has access to Burst Step which is a blitz tier amp but as correctly mentioned above, using it twice in a row is enough to render his legs unusable (he needed all sorts of surgery to fix it and that was after Sylvie healed him a bit)
• Notable attacks
  • Absolute Zero
  • 3 layers of fear hax
  • Multi-Element Combo: A 4x boost which he has access to in base as I mentioned in the last CRT.

That's all tbh. He doesn't really fight in base post timeskip so there's not a lot of material to work it

 

[DavidTPPM]

Since this is post timeskip base Arthur, let me list out his noteworthy abilities

• Damage Reduction: Uses his knowledge on Earth mana to divert his opponents physical attacks to the ground below his feet which leaves him undamaged. He also uses wind mana to effectively remove all the force behind an opponent’s physical attack via air pressure. Should be particularly useful against a CQC fighter like Mori

How exactly do they work? Like what are the mechanics? Because it seems similar to some of the stuff Mori faced.

• Martial Arts and Accelerated Development: I don't really understand how skill scaling works here but Arthur is no bum when it comes to CQC. Like his intelligence section states, he can keep up (and eventually defeat) multiple combatants who were superior to him stat wise

Ideally we would go over each individual aspect of their martial art skill and compare the feats in that regards, tho that will take a while.

Moris base martial arts makes 1 soldier equal to an entire military platoon which tend to be 20-50 people. And he's perfected it leagues above that since.

• Stat boosts: Realmheart is restricted here.

Like I said I don't think it has to be restricted but Mori would probably just AD/RE to instantly match him.

• He, however, has access to Thunderclap Impulse (a 3x reaction boost) and Wind based speed boost. He also has access to Burst Step which is a blitz tier amp but as correctly mentioned above, using it twice in a row is enough to render his legs unusable (he needed all sorts of surgery to fix it and that was after Sylvie healed him a bit)

Those are pretty decent. Mori himself has a ton himself tho. Speed wise he has step which is a blitz tier amp and if the situation requires it even jeabongchim which is an all around 2-8x amp (depending on which version he chooses to use).
Plus IA good enough to where he can subconsciously copy abilities to counter attacks he consciously considers unavoidable.

• Notable attacks
  • Absolute Zero

How does it work? Because that could just one shot Mori under right circumstances.

• • 3 layers of fear hax

Already addressed (resistance + 4ish layers of resistance)

• • Multi-Element Combo: A 4x boost which he has access to in base as I mentioned in the last CRT.

4x boost to all stats?

That's all tbh.

For Mori his opening moves would be to analyze Arthur and his weaknesses/abilities. Then going from there he'd either try to get around any complicated abilities or just hit him with bong chim acupuncture which can paralyze you, make you essentially explode from inside, throw you in a state of suspended animation, and cause insane pain that incaps even trained fighters.

Besides that there's also general martial arts. Standard renewal is a solid stat jump (never stated to have a specific value but made him go from level 6 to level 13) and his triple kick is stated to be an up to 3x multiplier, with his kick of blue dragon being vastly superior to that. He can also use moonlight barehanded swordsmanship which allows him to use his hands as if they were swords to cut up people he couldn't even scratch normally.

He also uses quite a lot of air manip. Besides the aforementioned kick of blue dragon he can also KO people by using air pressure to shake up their brain

 

[DavidTPPM]

hmm
what about 5-B versions

No idea how that'd affect the match ngl.

Legacy Resolution Arc Arthur vs Miracle Key Mori Dan

Kid named 250,000x speed amp:

 

[Testarossa002]

How exactly do they work? Like what are the mechanics? Because it seems similar to some of the stuff Mori faced

I already dropped the explanation for wind damage reduction. This is for earth based

“Masters in earth magic can redirect the force of an opponent’s attack into the ground below them. Doing so accurately can negate nearly all of an attacker’s physical assault.”

At first, I thought it was the force of the spells that caused the ground to cave below Buhnd, but now I knew it wasn’t as simple as that.
“Try to block this!” Buhnd exclaimed, raising a rock arm in the air. The stone that made up the thick armored fist shifted and convulsed as if coming to life. Buhnd’s stone-clad arm changed shape as I watched, forming a giant hammer twice his size.
A rush of wind coated the hammer as it was about to drive down into me.
If that hits me, I’m done for sure.
The memories of the craters Buhnd had formed continued to flash in my mind—then suddenly it clicked.
Still lying on the ground, I raised a hand directly in the path of the giant hammer. I augmented my body but not in the protective way I normally did. Instead, I envisioned a tunnel-like path of earthen mana both inside and outside of my body.
I spotted a trace of hesitation on Buhnd’s face, but there was no way for him to stop his attack now that it was just inches away from me.
If this doesn’t work, I’m going to be in a lot of pain, I thought.
The hammer struck my palm and I could feel my whole body protest. Normally, if I attempted to block an attack that strong with just a hand, my arm would’ve shattered, but instead, the ground below me took the force.
I found myself in the epicenter of a crater the size of my room with my hand still stretched out. My arm, shoulder, ribs, and back felt sore, but I had succeeded.

How does it work? Because that could just one shot Mori under right circumstances.

Can emit it throughout his body which affects anything that comes close

“Absolute Zero,” I whispered, coalescing the spell completely around my body.
The spell’s effect was instant. The murky green hands froze whenever they came within a foot or so of my body, transforming the area around me into a nightmarish landscape of horrific statues.

Like I said I don't think it has to be restricted but Mori would probably just AD/RE to instantly match him.

It's more of the time stop and precog than the stat boost

4x boost to all stats?

AP only

Ideally we would go over each individual aspect of their martial art skill and compare the feats in that regards, tho that will take a while.

Moris base martial arts makes 1 soldier equal to an entire military platoon which tend to be 20-50 people. And he's perfected it leagues above that since.

Arthur has a similar scaling route. He was capable of fighting small troops as a king and after his training with Kordri, his skills greatly improved to the point where his previous skill level was akin to a toddler's movement compared to his current skill level. But, it's not a hill I'm willing to die on

Legacy Resolution Arc Arthur vs Miracle Key Mori Dan

It becomes a mismatch. Arthur would have a 9000x reaction/perception speed advantage where he can god-step (teleportation) and destruction (EE) immediately (a starting move for him in canon)
Which wouldn't be valid as he's the slower character
In the event that doesn't work, Mori goes 250,000x and immediately ends the fight

 

[DavidTPPM]

I already dropped the explanation for wind damage reduction. This is for earth based

Those seem like a pretty complicated ways of dealing with attacks, essentially relying on predicting the attack to an extent to prepare and time the technique. Mori himself has a similar ability where he can send the energy of his opponent back at them or just negate it into the ground.

Also wouldn't Moris air manip kidna counteract the wind mana thingy as well?

Can emit it throughout his body which affects anything that comes close

What's the range? And can he just spam it? Because if so then it's probably a stomp since he'd have an impenetrable aura that turns Mori into a popsicle lmao

It's more of the time stop and precog than the stat boost

Oohhh okay okay. Yeah time hax would probably be stompy af (tho it'd depend on the exact mechanics, most time hax are basically instant win)

Arthur has a similar scaling route. He was capable of fighting small troops as a king and after his training with Kordri, his skills greatly improved to the point where his previous skill level was akin to a toddler's movement compared to his current skill level. But, it's not a hill I'm willing to die on

Uhhhh I guess, but that's a really vague surface level comparison.
How is Arthur's ana-pre? Part 1 Moris analytical skills impressed even characters that could read the events of an entire fight between dozens of people they never even saw just by looking at the battlefield. Part 2 Mori then fought someone who could completely read and neutralize everything he did because they knew Moris own fighting style even better than Mori himself, and Mori still ended up adapting, out-predicting, and beating them while having his semicircular canals impaired completely destroying his sense of balance.

How does Arthur compare to power mimicry? Mori is so skilled he can copy not just any of his martial art techniques after a single glance but even go as far as to copy the core concept of an ability and massively improve it, making it both easier to use and more deadly at once.

How good is Arthur at analyzing the opponent and their weaknesses? Mori can instantly tell a person's weaknesses with a single glance and can instantly break down and find counters to complex hax abilities (for example sound based manipulation of ignition points) after only seeing the ability once.

How wide and versatile is Arthur's cqc moveset? Mori has countless techniques from countless martial arts which he combines into a perfect fighting style to make up for their potential individual weaknesses.

It becomes a mismatch. Arthur would have a 9000x reaction/perception speed advantage where he can god-step (teleportation) and destruction (EE) immediately (a starting move for him in canon)
Which wouldn't be valid as he's the slower character
In the event that doesn't work, Mori goes 250,000x and immediately ends the fight

Actually miracle Mori Dan doesn't need to activate the speed amp. He needed to use a limit removal technique in the past keys (most notably ragnarok Mori Jin) but in the miracle key he achieved a state of body control where he brings out the full potential of his body even without needing to use the technique.

To put it simply in that key he passively gets the stat amp. So he'd instantly statue Arthur. (a tier 3 vs tier match up not being good is not surprising lmao)

 

[Testarossa002]

Yeah, probably a stomp against Arthur
Looking forward to debating more TBATE matches tho

Also wouldn't Moris air manip kidna counteract the wind mana thingy as well?

Actually, yeah

“One more time,” I said, frustration seeping into my voice.
Basic mana theory stated that when like elements collided, they weakened each other or canceled each other completely based on mana output. Utilizing the theory that I had learned from one of the many books I had read as a child, I augmented my fist with wind attribute mana.
I restrained my mana output since dispersing Camus’s technique wasn’t my goal. As I punched again, this time I felt it. The air pressure.
My fist struck firmly, sounding a solid smack that made the elf take a step back.