Kris Dreemurr vs Hank J. Wimbleton (DELTARUNE vs Madness Combat)

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Lightbringer vs The Protagonist​

(I will make a fitting match with Deimos and Sanford for Susie and Ralsei aswell. maybe. idk.)

• Kris is in their Chapter 1 key
• Hank is in his MAG Hank key
• Speed is equalized
• Battle takes place in the dark fountain room.

Kris scales to 1.11 tons

Hank massively upscales from 0.29 tons
Kris has a 3.8x advantage

Hank: 0

Kris: 0

Spoiler: Shitty ass story

Kris put their hand out, their soul resonating with brilliant light as it begins to float toward the dark fountain... Their journey was finally over.

In an instant, a figure jumped down, slapping their soul back into them, sending them flying backwards onto the ground. Kris slowly stood up, looking up at the figure who attacked.

"I was told you would be here. Can't let you do that." The figure stood, bandages covering their chest and the top of their head. Blood leaked from the uneven bandaging as it's featureless face glared at Kris.

"I'd tell you to scram and leave this fountain or whatever it is, but frankly I hope you don't." Hank said, staring down at kris on the ground

Hank went silent for a moment, likely thinking about what he said. Kris was still getting up from the ground, confused. Kris tried explaining to the figure the dangers of leaving the fountain, and that the proph-

Hank cut them off, "I don't give a damn about any prophecy. If the world ends, that isn't my problem. I was contracted to keep you and your friend there from sealing it, not to listen to some stupid story your goat told you about." he proclaimed, looking past Kris toward the entrance to the room, whatever he saw it made him decide to quickly look back down at Kris.

Kris finally got back to their feet, taking a step back, pausing for a moment before whipping out their wooden blade in front of them, pointing it toward Hank.

"What makes you think you have a chance against me...?" Hank almost giggled under his breath, before pulling out two throwing knives.

 

[Axorandom0]

You should probably hold on doing DR matchups considering the 8-C CRT happening currently

 

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You should probably hold on doing DR matchups considering the 8-C CRT happening currently

This is the chapter 1 key. Chapter 3 and 4's upgrades have no affect on this key.

 

[Axorandom0]

This is the chapter 1 key. Chapter 3 and 4's upgrades have no affect on this key.

Didn’t see that ''0_0

Anyways I should probably contribute something now that I’m here and, despite the 3x strength disadvantage, Hank massively outskills Kris and has a much wider array of weaponry, including long range options like guns, throwing knives, and grenades that will outrange Kris’s long melee attacks.

 

[Comiphorous]

Anyways I should probably contribute something now that I’m here and, despite the 3x strength disadvantage, Hank massively outskills Kris and has a much wider array of weaponry, including long range options like guns, throwing knives, and grenades that will outrange Kris’s long melee attacks.

Hank outskills, but this is MC 1-4 Hank so he isn't as skilled as he becomes later on in the series. Hank struggles a lot more at this point in the series.

Hank outranges with guns but it's not his first choice, and is gonna go for melee before using his guns.

 

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bump

 

[VIZION99]

Voting for Kris. HIs immorality and supernatural willpower gives him better survivability. He has better hax since he can ignore distance and his social influencing could catch Hank off guard.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

This is the chapter 1 key. Chapter 3 and 4's upgrades have no affect on this key.

Are you sure? Because all the Chapter 1 characters are having their AP changed to 8-C right now lol

 

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Are you sure? Because all the Chapter 1 characters are having their AP changed to 8-C right now lol

Why are chapter 1 scaling to chapter 3 and 4? We were trying to avoiding 4-A chapter 1 cast.

 

[Comiphorous]

Voting for Kris. HIs immorality and supernatural willpower gives him better survivability. He has better hax since he can ignore distance and his social influencing could catch Hank off guard.

Since they're being upgraded to 8-C, im likely going to move it to Mag Hank which means Hank could just negate the immortality. (That way they both have one life) (and if that's unfair, i switch it to Auditor, who has the same immortality negation but could unironically be a victim of Social Influencing)

Social Influencing is straight up not going to work on Hank. he has tried to be reasoned with to not do things before and it failed so bad it made Hank want to kill them more.

You could try reasoning with him to not destroy the entire universe and he'd look at you like your stupid. Kris doesn't have the SI feats to possibly convince Hank to do anything besides still try and murder them.

 

[VIZION99]

Since they're being upgraded to 8-C, im likely going to move it to Mag Hank which means Hank could just negate the immortality. (That way they both have one life) (and if that's unfair, i switch it to Auditor, who has the same immortality negation but could unironically be a victim of Social Influencing)

Social Influencing is straight up not going to work on Hank. he has tried to be reasoned with to not do things before and it failed so bad it made Hank want to kill them more.

You could try reasoning with him to not destroy the entire universe and he'd look at you like your stupid. Kris doesn't have the SI feats to possibly convince Hank to do anything besides still try and murder them.

I notice Hank can negate Tricky's immorality but Tricky does not even have type 8, how does Hank even negate type 8?

 

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I notice Hank can negate Tricky's immorality but Tricky does not even have type 8, how does Hank even negate type 8?

Outdated profile, Tricky will get it due to Auditor's Hell making him uber immortal, hence the type 8.

Tricky's getting some Low 1-C upgrades 'n shit to his final key which is why it wasn't taken care of in that CRT.

 

[VIZION99]

Outdated profile, Tricky will get it due to Auditor's Hell making him uber immortal, hence the type 8.

Tricky's getting some Low 1-C upgrades 'n shit to his final key which is why it wasn't taken care of in that CRT.

Ok, I get it. But I don't think Hank can negate Kirs's type 8 immorality due to the its nature being very different from Tricky's. Tricky's immorality is reliant on Auditor's hell to live while Kris' immorality is focusing on coming back to life by the player.

 

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Ok, I get it. But I don't think Hank can negate Kirs's type 8 immorality due to the its nature being very different from Tricky's. Tricky's immorality is reliant on Auditor's hell to live while Kris' immorality is focusing on coming back to life by the player.

Negating immortality given from a 2-B entity is entirely possible since Hank negated immortality given from a Low 1-C realm.

 

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OP has been updated. Hank is in his final key now.

 

[VIZION99]

Negating immortality given from a 2-B entity is entirely possible since Hank negated immortality given from a Low 1-C realm.

After some thinking, I feel like this fight is kinda unfair since since Post-Apotheosis Hank already has powerful hax due to his immorality and Instinctive Reaction. Mag Hank makes it even more unfair.

There are 2 options to make the fight more fair.

Either turn Hank into his Post-Apotheosis key

or

Use Chapter 2 Kris instead.

 

[Axorandom0]

Kris now has a 3&4 key (that’s likely to be separated into an individual key for both 3 and 4) so it might be fairest to just use chapter 4 Kris

 

[Comiphorous]

Kris now has a 3&4 key (that’s likely to be separated into an individual key for both 3 and 4) so it might be fairest to just use chapter 4 Kris

Kris has a 3.8x advantage (without Hank's lots of upscaling going into account) in AP and Durability. you sure they need more AP and Hax to put down our scorpion armed goliath?

 

[VIZION99]

Kris has a 3.8x advantage (without Hank's lots of upscaling going into account) in AP and Durability. you sure they need more AP and Hax to put down our scorpion armed goliath?

Still more fair than using chapter 1.

 

[BlueKZX_Animetion]

Hi I'm new to entering these type of threads I'ma just be talking about kris stuff and my knowledge on madness is Faint sorta

so I don't agree that hank should get the win because of Range we have seen in game that distance is not much of problem due to battles system cannon in delta rune Kris could hit hank from a few distant away without getting Close and personal that not even talking about the moment Combat initiated that they will be the one to strike first and be in range and if this is a kris with a player not being a pacifist then Kris 3.8x advantage will come into play meaning what stop kris from one one shoting hank after one strike being a kill move ending there battle and it not like hank would even know what to do and it not like a player control kris would explain if there violent


Unless it a cut scene or Kris is being caught off guard and which this scenario is not stealth the battle system will come and lock hank in like most characters that fight in the game which is why if this kris is {Fighting} then I believe Kris wins this.

hope my arguments are up to standard I hate to be quiet about this.

 

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Combat initiated that they will be the one to strike first and be in range

Yeah uh... no. Hank would just punch them. The turn based system isn't canon in a vsthread (very few exceptions but yaknow) They're just brawling here.

kris with a player not being a pacifist then Kris 3.8x advantage will come into play meaning what stop kris from one one shoting hank after one strike being a kill move ending there battle and it not like hank would even know what to do and it not like a player control kris would explain if there violent

They wouldn't one shot. because a 3.8 different isn't a one shot, and he has regeneration to recover from Kris' hits. This is especially why i don't think Chapter 2 or above Kris is needed.

Unless it a cut scene or Kris is being caught off guard and which this scenario is not stealth the battle system will come and lock hank in like most characters that fight in the game which is why if this kris is {Fighting} then I believe Kris wins this.

Ditto of my first point. turn based isn't canon here.

 

[VIZION99]

Hi I'm new to entering these type of threads I'ma just be talking about kris stuff and my knowledge on madness is Faint sorta

so I don't agree that hank should get the win because of Range we have seen in game that distance is not much of problem due to battles system cannon in delta rune Kris could hit hank from a few distant away without getting Close and personal that not even talking about the moment Combat initiated that they will be the one to strike first and be in range and if this is a kris with a player not being a pacifist then Kris 3.8x advantage will come into play meaning what stop kris from one one shoting hank after one strike being a kill move ending there battle and it not like hank would even know what to do and it not like a player control kris would explain if there violent


Unless it a cut scene or Kris is being caught off guard and which this scenario is not stealth the battle system will come and lock hank in like most characters that fight in the game which is why if this kris is {Fighting} then I believe Kris wins this.

hope my arguments are up to standard I hate to be quiet about this.

Is that a vote for Kris?

 

[BlueKZX_Animetion]

Yeah uh... no. Hank would just punch them. The turn based system isn't canon in a vsthread (very few exceptions but yaknow) They're just brawling here.

okay? this sound like it breaking the second rule of thread creation but whatever. due to speed equalize and game mechanics off kris could just shield the attack since turn based system are off they can do multiple things now at the same time.

They wouldn't one shot. because a 3.8 different isn't a one shot, and he has regeneration to recover from Kris' hits. This is especially why i don't think Chapter 2 or above Kris is needed.

I just check his profile info the best thing he regenerated was his hand. it's never shown he can regening his whole body so if Kris lands a slash on him it gonna do a lot of damage and still kill him even without it kris can still attack even without getting super close (just repeating this point again to reinforce my argument)

if it hits due to the strength different even if it not a one shot getting cut from head down and it would kill hank if Kris is even able to land but due to hanks Instinctive Reaction that not happening so easy but even with that hanks can still b tired and waited to run out of bullets and stamina

I think Courage & Pirouette Act would come here and maybe Hypnosis although I'm very skeptical if it would even work due to hanks Mind Hax Resistance but I still think there a chance Chapter 1 kris can edge out a win Hank can't turn around which they'll know when they check him and he doesn't have infinite bullets and due to speed being equalize kris can dodge his bullets and just wait it out.



even if it chapter 2 The only Ability's that are likely viable is yellow mode and X slashes and the statics buff kris get from winning that chapter


I still think there a chance for kris to win here.

 

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okay? this sound like it breaking the second rule of thread creation but whatever

It's not when it's not an ability in the first place, lol. The only character on this wiki who i know uses turn based combat as an actual ability which can be used in a thread is Sans, and even then it's limited down to his special attack of the doing absolutely nothing and locking himself and the opponent into doing nothing for all of time.

I just check his profile info the best thing he regenerated was his hand. it's never shown he can regening his whole body so if Kris lands a slash on him it gonna do a lot of damage and still kill him even without it kris can still attack even without getting super close (just repeating this point again to reinforce my argument)

Try to read the profile again, slowly. You're missing something very big. Look in the key just before Mag Hank.

Also regenerating his hand is Low-Mid, which means yes he could (slowly) regenerate a lot of the hits to his body, including hits to the head (while he couldn't regenerate it being cut down the middle, he would survive it)

if it hits due to the strength different even if it not a one shot getting cut from head down and it would kill hank

Mag Agents, famously being killed by head injuries...

He's literally been stabbed in the head in the episodes. That's not gonna kill him lol. Even before his magnification he was still alive with half of his head torn off. Hank's surviving that (it'd probably hinder him though, but thats why he's got some extra lives amiright?)

but even with that hanks can still b tired and waited to run out of bullets and stamina

You think kris has better stamina than Hank that they could actually try and wait out Hank's stamina?

no. No kris doesn't have better stamina than Hank here. thats a bunch of crazy talk. Kris hasn't shown nearly as much endurance as Hank has, especially in this key of hank's.

speed being equalize kris can dodge his bullets and just wait it out.

Speed equalized makes their combat speed equal, but keeps makes all faster speed ratings of the faster character lower at the same multiplier. Bullets would still be faster than both of them, but probably would be reactable on both of their ends. so yeah ig.

 

[BlueKZX_Animetion]

Mag Agents, famously being killed by head injuries...

He's literally been stabbed in the head in the episodes. That's not gonna kill him lol. Even before his magnification he was still alive with half of his head torn off. Hank's surviving that (it'd probably hinder him though, but thats why he's got some extra lives amiright?)

I forgot about hank being a mag so I didn't factor in the Size of the attack vs Hank body

You think kris has better stamina than Hank that they could actually try and wait out Hank's stamina?

no. No kris doesn't have better stamina than Hank here. thats a bunch of crazy talk. Kris hasn't shown nearly as much endurance as Hank has, especially in this key of hank's.

true profile and from memory hanks has been in continues combat along with expression he vaguely above Superhuman Stamina but that where the Pirouette and Courage Act along with maybe Hypnosis to make Hank tired faster and Pirouette can heal kris and that not even talking about the healing items they have so not in conventional sense he could wait it out but with these ability's in play and the lack of the turn base system make it easier to get them off in the chances he may get

my sentence wasn't clear which is a my bad but I meant these ability's might give him the edge he need to make hank tired

It's not when it's not an ability in the first place, lol. The only character on this wiki who i know uses turn based combat as an actual ability which can be used in a thread is Sans, and even then it's limited down to his special attack of the doing absolutely nothing and locking himself and the opponent into doing nothing for all of time.

I would be think the player and how that fact every character uses it to intact combat just the nature on how they fight but if it doesn't count which is weird then it fine I guess thanks for the clarification


but yeah I meant that Kris could make the wait less by using those ability's to endure hanks on slough till he both out of ammo and the ability's to be in peak condition

 

[Pyro9278]

Hank FRA

 

[ArKane1011]

Is there any way Kris can get past Hank's resurrection?

 

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Is there any way Kris can get past Hank's resurrection?

It doesn't work indefinitely. cut him down like 3 times and he stays dead. Shouldn't be too difficult since they're nearly 4x stronger than Hank, in a form that typically doesn't dodge all that much.

 

[ArKane1011]

It doesn't work indefinitely. cut him down like 3 times and he stays dead. Shouldn't be too difficult since they're nearly 4x stronger than Hank, in a form that typically doesn't dodge all that much.

OK.

Then I think Kris will have the advantage initially if Hank starts with melee, both because of their AP and because they can ignore distances when attacking. They might even be able to cut down Hank completely the first time around.

But the thing is, even if they manage to do that, Hank will be revived and probably quickly realize he needs to step his game up. I can imagine Hank then using his electricity arm to disarm Kris of their sword and then bring out some of his long-range weapons to keep Kris away. With Hank's skill and range advantage, it should be effective enough to put Kris on the defensive and eventually defeat them. Hank's immortality negation will then prevent Kris from coming back.

And about Kris using Pirouette and Hypnosis to eventually tire out Hank, that is going to take time and requires Kris to do those ACTs repeatedly, so it might not be their best option. This will especially become a problem if Hank puts Kris on the defensive, where they would then have to protect themselves first before doing anything else.

So I vote Hank.

 

[BlueKZX_Animetion]

is there a way to say hank can even knock the sword out of kris hand? and probly could still hit from the distance with there first due to game logic and the nature of the game but that would make there damage less and I though about maybe the knife but kris dosn't want the player to have there hands on it even in death and he would actually rip the soul out though Depends kris might have a Spare sword due to the fact they can carry alot of party items in a separate storage if be a weaker sword but better than nothing? though that leave them open for attack if they did due to the fact of it taking time to swap items


I don't see how acting with those wouldn't be the best sure I can see Pirouette being bad here but all they need to do is gazes strangely at an opponent so I don't agree with Hypnosis being bad though I guess more in the stamina front but gaze should technically take less it really depend how we think Mind Manipulation vs Sleep Manipulation Hax I find it odd to say how it would work what do ya'll think?

 

[ArKane1011]

is there a way to say hank can even knock the sword out of kris hand?

I mean, he did it here, so he could definitely do it to Kris as well.

kris might have a Spare sword due to the fact they can carry alot of party items in a separate storage if be a weaker sword but better than nothing?

SBA assumes no optional equipment, meaning the only weapon Kris has is the Wood Blade (you can see that on their profile).

I don't see how acting with those wouldn't be the best sure I can see Pirouette being bad here but all they need to do is gazes strangely at an opponent so I don't agree with Hypnosis being bad though I guess more in the stamina front but gaze should technically take less it really depend how we think Mind Manipulation vs Sleep Manipulation Hax I find it odd to say how it would work what do ya'll think?

Kris' profile says you have to use Hypnosis 9 times to fully exhaust Jevil. And it's not like Kris can spam it either, since it costs TP, which Kris has to build up by either grazing the opponent's attacks, defending or attacking. So, to me at least, it seems like it would take a while for it to have any effect here.



Also, I forgot to mention, if Hank were to run out of bullets, he could always attempt to take Kris' sword and use it against them, I think he definitely has the skills to do so. Since Hank is also really good with swords, it wouldn't make the situation for Kris that much better.

I don't think it's impossible for Kris to win, I just think Hank would win more often than not for the above reasons.

 

[EnderLord8]

ok, How exactly does Frank's Type 8 immortality negation and Tricky's own Type 8 immortality work?

Because Kris' Type 8 immortality works in a way that makes time go back to a previous point in time and I don't know if that would align with Tricky's Type 8 immortality.

 

[Uzukeas]

Do we all agree that Hank massively out skills?

 

[Comiphorous]

ok, How exactly does Frank's Type 8 immortality negation and Tricky's own Type 8 immortality work?

Because Kris' Type 8 immortality works in a way that makes time go back to a previous point in time and I don't know if that would align with Tricky's Type 8 immortality.

What he negates isn’t really relevant. He’s basically cuz going to kill both entities by hitting one.

Tricky’s type 8 functions by having two true forms, one in hell and one in Nevada. As long as one still exists, he can indefinitely respawn avatars to his liking to no consequence to himself.

Hank essentially killed one true form, and passed the damage onto the other, which killed it too. Considering he could do this from a Low 1-C range, he could 100% just do that again.

And then he’d negate the resurrection of the player, which would kill it.

 

[Comiphorous]

Also I’d just like to say I hate the player’s page. It ******* blows bro, especially on the Deltarune side. It lacks so many abilities that makes using it here difficult. (And its scaling makes no sense, since a currently tier 9 was able to harm it)

 

[BlueKZX_Animetion]

about stopping the player ability's to reset Gaster is another fragment of the Immortality he the one that give you the options as seen in the Demo Release of delta rune Hank would have to Somehow some way stop Gaster from from giving the options timeline or as we can call him if you don't wanna think about it being gaster " Another him " who gives the options to the player by context of the Demo of delta rune last I remember

I also rewatched the scene based on what is said in that moment it more sound like he got access to kill tricky like how one will go into scripts and code and enable permissions how can we say or prove it will work universally since he got accesses to do it that one time like giving people admin permissions I'm just wondering? aside from that there still the other him/Gaster giving the player this power to reset?

 

[Comiphorous]

about stopping the player ability's to reset Gaster is another fragment of the Immortality he the one that give you the options as seen in the Demo Release of delta rune Hank would have to Somehow some way stop Gaster from from giving the options timeline or as we can call him if you don't wanna think about it being gaster " Another him " who gives the options to the player by context of the Demo of delta rune last I remember

Make a CRT if you want that on the profile, but as of right now that's a very baseless claim.

I also rewatched the scene based on what is said in that moment it more sound like he got access to kill tricky like how one will go into scripts and code and enable permissions how can we say or prove it will work universally since he got accesses to do it that one time like giving people admin permissions I'm just wondering? aside from that there still the other him/Gaster giving the player this power to reset?

The Auditor never reversed his code editing of Hank. why would it magically vanish?

As above, Gaster is not on the profile at all, and can't be used here unless you get it added with a CRT.

 

[BlueKZX_Animetion]

K then yeah kris dosn't seem like he can win this so I'ma vote hank

 

[VIZION99]

I think using chapter 4 Kris will be more fair.