Ghost Princess vs Greatest Psychic of the 21st Century (and Mob)

[Kachon123]

Location: Thriller Bark
Starting Distance: 50 meters (Perona's body is 25 kilometers away)
Speed is not equalized
(This is really just Mob vs Perona but I added Reigen to keep in-theme since Perona fought Usopp)

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Perona - The Ghost Princess

• AP: 9.35 Gigatons
• Speed: Superhuman, 0.362046c with Hollows

Reigen Arataka - The Greatest Psychic of the 21st Century (and Mob)

• AP: 4.3 Gigatons, 13.6 Teratons with 100%
• Speed: Mach 853, Mach 4266 with 100%

Perona: 2 (@Kachon123, @KaydeeX)
Mob: 7 (@Detective_Blizzard, @Delusionaltx2, @Raiden38, @DaReaperMan, @CastoriceTheFifth, @NikHelton, @Epiccheev)

 

[Arkansalter2]

Does Shigeo have anything to nuke the entire area or to find Perona's body?

 

[Kachon123]

Shigeo's Extrasensory's Perception range is 20 kilometers, which means he has to fly 5 kilometers in the correct direction to even be able to sense Perona. However he has no way of knowing that's her or to target her real body as she has several astral projected duplicates.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Hmmm... I don't know either of these characters so following I guess.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

What are personas wincons??

 

[Kachon123]

What are personas wincons??

Incapacitating him momentarily with Negative Hollows to follow up with Rap danmaku + durability negation. She's also much faster and can fly around.

 

[Arkansalter2]

And mob?

 

[Kachon123]

And mob?

Get hit with Negative Hollows enough for his emotions to pile up to 100% to where he AP stomps (whether he can survive long enough idk). Or find Perona's real body. Mob can exorcise spirits so he should be able to combat some of her hollows.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Incapacitating him momentarily with Negative Hollows to follow up with Rap danmaku + durability negation. She's also much faster and can fly around.

Ofc zoro is the only one facing forward bro...

I can't defend bro

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Incapacitating him momentarily with Negative Hollows

espers resist this (its on mobs pf)

to follow up with Rap danmaku + durability negation. She's also much faster and can fly around.

While I do agree outside of 100% persona is probably more mobile, mob could either just tk or use a shield no?

edit: persona is like maybe class 1 while mob Is class G, his tk will definitely protect him especially with shields

 

[Kachon123]

espers resist this (its on mobs pf)

It's layered as it can affect people like Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji.

While I do agree outside of 100% persona is probably more mobile, mob could either just tk or use a shield no?

They can pass through objects and are a lot faster than Mob

 

[Delusionaltx2]

It's layered as it can affect people like Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji.

That's fair I suppose

They can pass through objects and are a lot faster than Mob

Their intangibility seems to be spiritual which shigeo has npi for but the speed ig makes tk alot less threatening

 

[Delusionaltx2]

What does persona have to get pass a forcefield that scales way higher than her ap?

If she can't get pass this then I'm voting shegeo since he'd either eventually sense her or go 100% and nuke her

 

[Kachon123]

What does persona have to get pass a forcefield that scales way higher than her ap?

If she can't get pass this then I'm voting shegeo since he'd either eventually sense her or go 100% and nuke her

Perona is the one with the higher AP. Over 2x in fact.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Perona is the one with the higher AP. Over 2x in fact.

Mb I was looking at the wrong calc (thats for 100% mob)

Edit: mobs value should be 4.15 gigatons not 4.3

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Going with Mob here for one big reason, Perona's main fighting style just buffs the kid. Shigeo's body has been shown to quickly and rapidly react to such attacks which would cause serious problems for Perona.

For starters, how would he find her? She has to project his ghosts to him, his spiritual sensing would indicate which direction they are coming from (Perona doesn't really hide her ghosts like that at far ranges) and SBA indicates that Mob knows her general starting direction. As an added bonus Mob might not even need to find Perona in the first place due to his mental reflection ability. Perona mentally links with her ghosts in-character which means she'd be very vulnerable if Mob unleashed any mental assaults back on her instinctually, which while normally could lead to a draw as both go unconscious it instead would be a Mob win as Perona's effects go away once she's knocked out.

Secondly, the physical fight. Persona doesn't really fight on a physical level and almost exclusively goes for depression attacks. While the ghosts are faster, the moment Mob starts absorbing energy they are going to end up being a non-factor as his peak shields will just be absorbing their energy giving him stronger power. Perona's best bet is to just take Mob down in a physical sense before he has time to ramp up, but since this is Perona that isn't really happening.

Lastly, the Stomp Factor. REIGEN ARATAKA! This is one of Reigen's special techniques where he uses his social influence to incapacitate a girl before Mob accidentally kills her. Perona, who was scared straight by someone immune to her hollows powers, fled Thriller Bark immediately in hopes to not have to fight the strongest psychic in the world. (Reigen was trying to hide from the zombies, but wound up walking directly into Perona's path on accident)

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Going with Mob here for one big reason, Perona's main fighting style just buffs the kid. Shigeo's body has been shown to quickly and rapidly react to such attacks which would cause serious problems for Perona.

For starters, how would he find her? She has to project his ghosts to him, his spiritual sensing would indicate which direction they are coming from (Perona doesn't really hide her ghosts like that at far ranges) and SBA indicates that Mob knows her general starting direction. As an added bonus Mob might not even need to find Perona in the first place due to his mental reflection ability. Perona mentally links with her ghosts in-character which means she'd be very vulnerable if Mob unleashed any mental assaults back on her instinctually, which while normally could lead to a draw as both go unconscious it instead would be a Mob win as Perona's effects go away once she's knocked out.

Secondly, the physical fight. Persona doesn't really fight on a physical level and almost exclusively goes for depression attacks. While the ghosts are faster, the moment Mob starts absorbing energy they are going to end up being a non-factor as his peak shields will just be absorbing their energy giving him stronger power. Perona's best bet is to just take Mob down in a physical sense before he has time to ramp up, but since this is Perona that isn't really happening.

Lastly, the Stomp Factor. REIGEN ARATAKA! This is one of Reigen's special techniques where he uses his social influence to incapacitate a girl before Mob accidentally kills her. Perona, who was scared straight by someone immune to her hollows powers, fled Thriller Bark immediately in hopes to not have to fight the strongest psychic in the world. (Reigen was trying to hide from the zombies, but wound up walking directly into Perona's path on accident)

Forgot about reigens Si (I was actually about to vote persona too)

Votting mob FRA

 

[Kachon123]

For starters, how would he find her? She has to project his ghosts to him, his spiritual sensing would indicate which direction they are coming from (Perona doesn't really hide her ghosts like that at far ranges) and SBA indicates that Mob knows her general starting direction. As an added bonus Mob might not even need to find Perona in the first place due to his mental reflection ability. Perona mentally links with her ghosts in-character which means she'd be very vulnerable if Mob unleashed any mental assaults back on her instinctually, which while normally could lead to a draw as both go unconscious it instead would be a Mob win as Perona's effects go away once she's knocked out.

Unfortunately Mob's mental attacks on Perona's hollows won't reflect back on her. This is because in One Piece, mind and memories reside within the soul. Attacks of that nature would only affect the ghosts themselves.

Secondly, the physical fight. Persona doesn't really fight on a physical level and almost exclusively goes for depression attacks. While the ghosts are faster, the moment Mob starts absorbing energy they are going to end up being a non-factor as his peak shields will just be absorbing their energy giving him stronger power. Perona's best bet is to just take Mob down in a physical sense before he has time to ramp up, but since this is Perona that isn't really happening.

Perona literally spams danmaku of dura neg shockwaves that she can infinitely spawn by snapping and have more AP than Mob does. Her ultimate attack is also a massive hollow ghost that stuns the target and explodes with a massive AoE that was powerful enough to instantly oneshot someone more durable than Mob. She has several attacks outside of her negative hollows. In fact, she usually combines them to instantly immobilize and kill her opponent in one go. And because her attack speed is much higher than Mob's, this would be blitzing him.

Lastly, the Stomp Factor. REIGEN ARATAKA! This is one of Reigen's special techniques where he uses his social influence to incapacitate a girl before Mob accidentally kills her. Perona, who was scared straight by someone immune to her hollows powers, fled Thriller Bark immediately in hopes to not have to fight the strongest psychic in the world. (Reigen was trying to hide from the zombies, but wound up walking directly into Perona's path on accident)

Why would Reigen be immune to Perona's powers?

 

[Catbowtie]

Why would Reigen be immune to Perona's powers?

It's funny

Mob FRA

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Unfortunately Mob's mental attacks on Perona's hollows won't reflect back on her. This is because in One Piece, mind and memories reside within the soul. Attacks of that nature would only affect the ghosts themselves.

Psychic energy affect souls too, so I don't see how that's an issue. Nothing about that indicates any inherent resistance to such an ability as it's just saying that Big Mom's homies have their memories as it's still their souls, just forgotten, that's like saying characters can't mind hax Keiji or Dimple because their memories reside in their souls. Hell the image even showcases such a thing is possible as Pudding uses her powers to have them recall forgotten memories.

Perona literally spams danmaku of dura neg shockwaves that she can infinitely spawn by snapping and have more AP than Mob does. Her ultimate attack is also a massive hollow ghost that stuns the target and explodes with a massive AoE that was powerful enough to instantly oneshot someone more durable than Mob. She has several attacks outside of her negative hollows. In fact, she usually combines them to instantly immobilize and kill her opponent in one go. And because her attack speed is much higher than Mob's, this would be blitzing him.

That's all in her close range combat. The fight starts in long range so by the time Mob actually reaches her he's going to be above her AP count because, as you mentioned, she's blitzing the kid which means he's going to be reaching peak emotions before he ever reaches her. Far range she's just going to use them to attempt to immobilize Mob and depression diff him, which results in his full power coming out and then it just snowballs into a win for him there.

Why would Reigen be immune to Perona's powers?

Perona's abilities don't work on those already negative and depressed. Reigen is very negative and depressed. He hides it well and holds himself together despite it, but much like Usopp the moment anything happens he's very quick to just panic and doubt himself. Him being on an entire zombie island isn't going to be giving him any favors in that regard so it's very unlikely her initial hollows are going to work on her, giving him time to talk.

 

[Kachon123]

Psychic energy affect souls too, so I don't see how that's an issue. Nothing about that indicates any inherent resistance to such an ability as it's just saying that Big Mom's homies have their memories as it's still their souls, just forgotten, that's like saying characters can't mind hax Keiji or Dimple because their memories reside in their souls. Hell the image even showcases such a thing is possible as Pudding uses her powers to have them recall forgotten memories.

Psychic energy being able to affect souls is irrelevant as I already said that he can interact with the hollows. The only thing being contested is that interacting with the hollows would hurt Perona herself. This isn't a resistance, it's just the fact that mental attacks against the hollows would affect their own minds, not Perona's. Keiji and Dimple are not at all the same. Like at all. This is like me saying that hitting a shadow clone from Naruto with genjutsu would put Naruto himself inside a Genjusu. They have separate minds so there's no reason why it'd affect Perona. You're also just wrong about the whole Big Mom thing as she Pudding didn't insert memories inside of the souls, she just momentarily remove's Big Mom's control which grants them access to their memories and mind again.

That's all in her close range combat. The fight starts in long range so by the time Mob actually reaches her he's going to be above her AP count because, as you mentioned, she's blitzing the kid which means he's going to be reaching peak emotions before he ever reaches her. Far range she's just going to use them to attempt to immobilize Mob and depression diff him, which results in his full power coming out and then it just snowballs into a win for him there.

Perona flies at the same speed as her ghosts. She and her ghosts will be at Mob LONG before he reaches anywhere near her body, where she will have free rein to attack him. The Negative Hollows will immobilize Mob and just one will not fill him to 100% before he gets killed by dozens of Mini Rap Hollows or a massive Special Hollow to oneshot him.

Whether or not the Negative Hollows would even fill him emotion % is debatable as Perona described the Negative Hollows as "emptying the human heart," which would indicate that its ridding the heart of any emotion rather than filling it with a negative one.

Perona's abilities don't work on those already negative and depressed. Reigen is very negative and depressed. He hides it well and holds himself together despite it, but much like Usopp the moment anything happens he's very quick to just panic and doubt himself. Him being on an entire zombie island isn't going to be giving him any favors in that regard so it's very unlikely her initial hollows are going to work on her, giving him time to talk.

Yeah, no. Comparing depression to whatever Usopp has is just laughable. It's not the same at all. Perona's powers aren't limited by people who are negative and depressed. It doesn't work against Usopp because that's literally who he is as a person down the the depths of his soul. Like he is literally walking pessimism. Reigen does not compare.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Why Perona explosions negates durability when Usopp literally tanks them?

Right now the pages logic is that a 6-C explosion did not kill instantly a low 7-B character

And mind you, I still believe Perona just makes Mob and Reigen completely depressed, activating 100% sadness, which is useless in combat, it would just repair the battlefield or 100% courage which one of the 100% that can make Shigeo fight

And that is only if Shigeo can recover from "layered empathic hax"

 

[Kachon123]

Right now the pages logic is that a 6-C explosion did not kill instantly a low 7-B character

Usopp has 6-C durability.

Why Perona explosions negates durability when Usopp literally tanks them?

Shockwaves similar to the impact dial that Usopp used in that fight, which are durability negation.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Usopp has 6-C durability.

Understood, the page was changed

Shockwaves similar to the impact dial that Usopp used in that fight, which are durability negation.

Add the "minor" and then everything is good then

 

[Kachon123]

Add the "minor" and then everything is good then

I don't think I'd consider this very minor. Especially when its dozens of them on every square inch of the target's body.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

I don't think I'd consider this very minor. Especially when its dozens of them on every square inch of the target's body.

We would need to remove the minor from the pages with a CTR then

 

[Kachon123]

We would need to remove the minor from the pages with a CTR then

The only reason it's listed as minor is because it acts through shockwaves. It still works functionally the same as any other type of durability negation within the scope of this match, especially since she has the superior AP by over 2x.

 

[Kachon123]

Also, It's important to note that Perona can summon hundreds if not more Hollows of different types at once and her main body can fly as well, so even in Mob finds Perona's main body and tries to attack her, she can use her flight, much greater speed, and Hollows to still fight competitively and even still win.

 

[Kachon123]

Mob FRA

Any particular reason? Mob's going to have a lot of trouble landing hits and getting through Perona's army of extremely fast ghosts since any one of them can either deal significant amount damage per hit or incapacitate him.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

This isn't a resistance, it's just the fact that mental attacks against the hollows would affect their own minds, not Perona's. They have separate minds so there's no reason why it'd affect Perona.

Alright, this is the main point of your argument. I counter with

She can link her consciousness to her ghosts and form a "ghost network"

That entire point is irrelevant as Perona straight up links her mind to the ghosts.

This is like me saying that hitting a shadow clone from Naruto with genjutsu would put Naruto himself inside a Genjusu.

For the record, Shadow Clones are affected by factors from other bodies because of the mental link. Genjutsu doesn't affect the main body because the link is intentionally weak, allowing for commandment of the body is separated, but your examples are not viable counterarguments because Perona's mental link isn't ever stated to be as subtle or disconnected as the shadow clones which typically only ever send whatever info they receive once they are unsummoned. You'd need to argue that Perona linking her mind to her ghosts wouldn't allow mental attacks to the ghosts to affect her once linked, the source of the mind or irrelevant examples don't prove anything as there is direct connection.

Perona flies at the same speed as her ghosts. She and her ghosts will be at Mob LONG before he reaches anywhere near her body, where she will have free rein to attack him. The Negative Hollows will immobilize Mob and just one will not fill him to 100% before he gets killed by dozens of Mini Rap Hollows or a massive Special Hollow to oneshot him.

Perona doesn't start off with her Mini Rap Hollows or Special Hollow, it's always the Negative Hollows she starts off with as she leaves the others for either stronger opponents (Kuma) or those she can't beat with Negative Hollows (Usopp). So yes just one is going to fill him to 100% before he gets killed by dozens of them because Perona really likes seeing her depression powers at work, especially since it already fills them with enough emotion to trigger it in an instant. She's basically hitting a fast forward button on his transformation and in-character she isn't going to be obliterating him before he goes ballistic.

Whether or not the Negative Hollows would even fill him emotion % is debatable as Perona described the Negative Hollows as "emptying the human heart," which would indicate that its ridding the heart of any emotion rather than filling it with a negative one.

That isn't the win condition you think it is as that'd only result in ??? breaking out, which is obliterating Perona and passively absorbing all her attacks. Going with that interpretation is basically akin to giving Mob a stomp win as he's no longer holding it back. Him losing control is the last thing you want to argue.

 

[Catbowtie]

Any particular reason?

No

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

So yes just one is going to fill him to 100%

Yes

And what 100% is gonna be filled? One of the useless ones or one who can fight?

Because depending of the mode, he instaloses or he can start even fighting

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

And what 100% is gonna be filled? One of the useless ones or one who can fight?

5 possible options

1. 100% Sadness (Unlikely as this isn't exactly how Perona's power works)
2. 100% Rejection (Most likely considering this is an instinctual power in a similar situation, results in the mental assault back to Perona)
3. 100% Shame (More likely with Perona's powers, Shigeo immediately flies up to the sky to go cry in the clouds. Given the short duration of Perona's power this could just lead to a natural reset.)
4. ??? (Under the assumption that this just empty Mob's heart, this would result in his strongest form coming out)
5. An unknown form as this is different than his others.

 

[Kachon123]

Alright, this is the main point of your argument. I counter with


That entire point is irrelevant as Perona straight up links her mind to the ghosts.

This is never directly stated, she can just see and talk through them. Regardless, how you concluded from this that mental attacks to the ghosts would be reflected onto Perona is beyond me.

For the record, Shadow Clones are affected by factors from other bodies because of the mental link. Genjutsu doesn't affect the main body because the link is intentionally weak, allowing for commandment of the body is separated, but your examples are not viable counterarguments because Perona's mental link isn't ever stated to be as subtle or disconnected as the shadow clones which typically only ever send whatever info they receive once they are unsummoned. You'd need to argue that Perona linking her mind to her ghosts wouldn't allow mental attacks to the ghosts to affect her once linked, the source of the mind or irrelevant examples don't prove anything as there is direct connection.

Perona's mental link isn't ever stated period so this isn't the best argument to hinge on. Her mind is not their minds, their minds are not her minds. Affecting the minds of the ghosts is not going to affect Perona's mind. Perona can link her minds, it does not say her mind is always linked. Perona is the ability to see and talk through her ghosts, that doesn't mean she's constantly doing so. She has only ever used this ability when specifically asked by Gecko Moria to snoop on Oars. Why would she be doing this in the context of a battle? Make it make sense brother.

Perona doesn't start off with her Mini Rap Hollows or Special Hollow, it's always the Negative Hollows she starts off with as she leaves the others for either stronger opponents (Kuma) or those she can't beat with Negative Hollows (Usopp). So yes just one is going to fill him to 100% before he gets killed by dozens of them because Perona really likes seeing her depression powers at work, especially since it already fills them with enough emotion to trigger it in an instant. She's basically hitting a fast forward button on his transformation and in-character she isn't going to be obliterating him before he goes ballistic.

You can not determine what she "always" uses with in battle or what her tactics are against different opponents as she's only been in one proper. From what is shown, she simply uses her abilities whenever it makes sense to use them. She wanted to instantly defeat several opponents at once? Use a Negative Hollow. She couldn't physically attack in ghost form? Use shockwaves. She wanted to overwhelm an opponent? Negative Hollows and shockwaves. Against Mob, she will be under SBA, meaning her motives of this battle are to win. If she sends over several Negative Hollows at Mob and they hit him, she has no reason not to follow up with an actual attack (Rap) as the immobilization from Negative Hollows don't last forever meaning it wouldn't count as a victory for her.

That isn't the win condition you think it is as that'd only result in ??? breaking out, which is obliterating Perona and passively absorbing all her attacks. Going with that interpretation is basically akin to giving Mob a stomp win as he's no longer holding it back. Him losing control is the last thing you want to argue.

He's losing his will as well so he wouldn't be able to lift a finger. This wouldn't activate ???.

 

[Kachon123]

No

Okay lol.

 

[Catbowtie]

Okay well now you said that it's just me being a jerk so I'll actually read the arguments

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

This is never directly stated, she is can just see and talk through them. Regardless, how you concluded from this is that mental attacks to the ghosts would be reflected onto Perona is beyond me.

Because if a mind is linked then a mental assault would affect it? That's a pretty standard assumption to make for an ability like this, her seeing and talking through them doesn't change the fact that her mind is still tied to the ghosts meaning if you mentally attack them she would be connected to said attack.

Perona's mental link isn't ever stated period so this isn't the best argument to hinge on. Her mind is not their minds, their minds are not her minds. Affecting the minds of the ghosts is not going to affect Perona's mind. Perona can link her minds, it does not say her mind is always linked. Perona is the ability to see and talk through her ghosts, that doesn't mean she's constantly doing so. She has only ever used this ability when specifically asked by Gecko Moria to snoop on Oars. Why would she be doing this in the context of a battle? Make it make sense brother.

Because it was using the scenario of her fighting from far range and not dropping right in-front of Mob. As she is a ranged fighter and doesn't typically fight like that unless someone else runs up to her. In the scenario where she's right next to him she's more vulnerable to the immediate effects of Mob's backlash.

You can not determine what she "always" uses with in battle or what her tactics are against different opponents as she's only been in one proper. From what is shown, she simply uses her abilities whenever it makes sense to use them. She wanted to instantly defeat several opponents at once? Use a Negative Hollow. She couldn't physically attack in ghost form? Use shockwaves. She wanted to overwhelm an opponent? Negative Hollows and shockwaves. Against Mob, she will be under SBA, meaning her motives of this battle are to win. If she sends over several Negative Hollows at Mob and they hit him, she has no reason not to follow up with an actual attack (Rap) as the immobilization from Negative Hollows don't last forever meaning it wouldn't count as a victory for her.

Her reasoning for not following up with an actual attack is because her literal environment encourages her not to. In character she prefers to let the zombies handle the hollow victims. Capturing Mob in a prison would count as a victory for her and she has no prior knowledge to his abilities meaning all she thinks is that he's just some kid. She has no reason to go for her extra attacks as her default on Thriller Bark is incapacitating via depression and capture. (Even assuming the SBA removes the zombies, she would just put him in a cage)

He's losing his will as well so he wouldn't be able to lift a finger. This wouldn't activate ???.

"When Mob is under extreme stress and suddenly loses control or is knocked out, ???% Mode emerges"

If Mob loses his willpower, ??? comes out and does his own thing. Side note, why doesn't ??? have Multiple Selves since it should qualify for the ability. It's repeatedly considered a separate mind from Shigeo himself, they don't share memories, other characters sensing it consider it something else than Mob, and it straight up follows several of the page's criteria.

 

[Kachon123]

Because if a mind is linked then a mental assault would affect it? That's a pretty standard assumption to make for an ability like this, her seeing and talking through them doesn't change the fact that her mind is still tied to the ghosts meaning if you mentally attack them she would be connected to said attack.

Perona's mental link isn't ever stated period so this isn't the best argument to hinge on. Her mind is not their minds, their minds are not her minds. Affecting the minds of the ghosts is not going to affect Perona's mind.

Because it was using the scenario of her fighting from far range and not dropping right in-front of Mob. As she is a ranged fighter and doesn't typically fight like that unless someone else runs up to her. In the scenario where she's right next to him she's more vulnerable to the immediate effects of Mob's backlash.

They start 50 meters away from each other as noted in the OP. She has no reason to need to see or act through her ghosts. She's never done so except in very specific scenarios. This isn't a wincon for Mob at all.

Her reasoning for not following up with an actual attack is because her literal environment encourages her not to. In character she prefers to let the zombies handle the hollow victims. Capturing Mob in a prison would count as a victory for her and she has no prior knowledge to his abilities meaning all she thinks is that he's just some kid. She has no reason to go for her extra attacks as her default on Thriller Bark is incapacitating via depression and capture.

Oh, so you want Perona plus the hundreds of 6-C zombies vs Mob? They all have higher AP than Mob as well so their attacks would be doing significant damage while he's immobilized

Don't answer that by the way, it was a rhetorical question. If this was Perona plus her fodders vs Mob I would have noted so in the OP. Plus, SBA states:

Outside Influence: None. No characters of either verse, aside from those participating in the battle, may influence the outcome of the battle in any way. That means they may not join the fight, grant buffs, create shields, provide information etc. Exceptions are things like blessings, calling upon some higher entities' power for a spell, summoning familiars to battle for them, having another character as equipment, or more generally spoken the things which are listed on the profile as part of a character's own powers and abilities.

"When Mob is under extreme stress and suddenly loses control or is knocked out, ???% Mode emerges"

If Mob loses his willpower, ??? comes out and does his own thing. Side note, why doesn't ??? have Multiple Selves since it should qualify for the ability. It's repeatedly considered a separate mind from Shigeo himself, they don't share memories, other characters sensing it consider it something else than Mob, and it straight up follows several of the page's criteria.

How did you equate the effects of the Negative Hollows to "suddenly losing control"? Those just aren't the same thing lol

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

They start 50 meters away from each other as noted in the OP.

Forgot that part of the fight

Oh, so you want Perona plus the hundreds of 6-C zombies vs Mob? They all have higher AP than Mob as well so their attacks would be doing significant damage while he's immobilized

Ok, for starters "hundreds of 6-C zombies" is inaccurate as she only commands the wild zombies weaker/comparable to Absalom's soldier zombies, which themselves could be harmed by Nami, Usopp, and Chopper. All of them are several times weaker than Mob starting out as as I mentioned SBA would likely remove them anyway.

Regardless, that doesn't go against the point of my message which was Perona goes for capture wins against those vulnerable to her powers. SBA doesn't indicate that she suddenly sees Mob as an all powerful threat that she needs to knock out right away, she sees a middle school kid that looks kinda weak that she speed blitzes into depression. She has no reason to use her shockwaves and no reason to not just immediately try and put Mob into a containment win-condition.

How did you equate the effects of the Negative Hollows to "suddenly losing control"? Those just aren't the same thing lol

Losing control is in reference to his emotions, which you have been arguing. If Mob loses his willpower and is no longer holding ??? back then it will come out. It is the same thing as you literally argued that Mob would lose all his other emotional options, this would lead to the only other option being ??? as Mob no longer has the ability to control it as it wreaks havoc over Mob's hollow feelings.

"Losing control" is entirely revolving around Mob's emotions, without them all that's left is the destructive other self with nothing holding it back.

 

[Kachon123]

Ok, for starters "hundreds of 6-C zombies" is inaccurate as she only commands the wild zombies weaker/comparable to Absalom's soldier zombies, which themselves could be harmed by Nami, Usopp, and Chopper. All of them are several times weaker than Mob starting out as as I mentioned SBA would likely remove them anyway.

Perona is literally the commander of Wild Zombies. The zombies around her would be the Wild Zombies. All of them are stronger than Mob.

Regardless, that doesn't go against the point of my message which was Perona goes for capture wins against those vulnerable to her powers. SBA doesn't indicate that she suddenly sees Mob as an all powerful threat that she needs to knock out right away, she sees a middle school kid that looks kinda weak that she speed blitzes into depression. She has no reason to use her shockwaves and no reason to not just immediately try and put Mob into a containment win-condition.

Moria and Perona were quite literally was not trying to kill Luffy in that moment and in that page it literally shows Moria grabbing his shadow to remove it. Perona will try to finish the job. Stop arguing this point seriously or I'll just note the mindset of both characters in the OP because you're grasping at straws right now.

Losing control is in reference to his emotions, which you have been arguing. If Mob loses his willpower and is no longer holding ??? back then it will come out. It is the same thing as you literally argued that Mob would lose all his other emotional options, this would lead to the only other option being ??? as Mob no longer has the ability to control it as it wreaks havoc over Mob's hollow feelings.

Yeah I'm aware that losing control is in reference to his emotions. Mob's emotions are not losing control, that's the point being made. Mob losing his will to fight or do anything doesn't mean that ??? comes out dawg I'm so confused on how you're drawing these correlations.