Shadow Fight upgrade (New event + Statements)

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[Mr. Bambu]

These "planes" and "worlds" are actually called timelines, universe, space-time, etc, many times in the game and even extra sources.

Not a single one of these scans mentions planes. I don't hold issue necessarily with the cosmology containing many timelines, I'm asking where it is confirmed that planes are all individual timelines.

I think you've heavily misunderstood this, all knowledge doesn't exist in the void, since the void is infinite nothingness, hence it lacks time. Due to that, everything(the past, present & future) from the voids perspective is simultaneous. Because of this things or characters that exist in the void can see them all at once like the void room, which is a room in the void which doesn't predict but states, or the stranger who exists in the void room and he can see the space and time as on open book and knows the secrets of space and time , or the liberator of mortals, who is one of the finest copies of stranger who broke the chains of time and knew everything about space and time.
Its not a wild assumption to think that tenebris, the creator of the worlds is smarter and more Knowledgeable than these characters.

Okay.

Suppose I have an open book, then, that contains the secrets of space and time. This book is infinitely sized but contains the net sum of all knowledge. I can read through it and find whatever I want to know, but I don't have any particular ability to read through it faster or find the knowledge I want any sooner. I wouldn't be Omniscient (or Nigh-Omniscient). I'd still only be as intelligent as I am.

That is, to my understanding, more or less the situation here. Even if all information is theoretically available, there's no evidence (or at least, none provided) that Tenebris has the ability to ascertain that information sufficiently to be called Nigh-Omniscient. We also wouldn't give greater credence to the idea for him being the Creator, whether planes are universes or not (I'm not opposed to this latter idea, I just need actual verification that it is so).

I understand your concern about not wanting discord notifications to distribute abilities amongst characters, However, there are still other things in game that can grant them that.
Firstly, every being in shadow fight whether he is a human a robot, etc exists as a program and the souls have been described as data, matrices and there is also data on connections between the souls.
As for information, information in shadow fight exists in the form of energy. This information is both specific and fundamental.
Since tenebris created all of this, I think he can get data manipulation and Information Manipulation.

I feel like. This is more important than being a comment and should be a CRT in of itself. So I'm going to move on from this for now.

I'll quote the exact statement from the paragraph, "Thick Ink Phase. The effects of the Perfect ink are strengthened and new ones are added. The boss is obsessed with Ink: all of his abilities are enhanced, and he can now also teleport away from you", Ink thickens based on the character's health --> amplifies the already existing effects and adds new ones, which qualifies as stat amp, unless stat apm is tied only to physical characteristics.

We don't tend to consider enhanced abilities to be Stat Amp, Stat Amp tends to refer to the attributes of the characters themselves- their statistics, as it were. Still, I also don't really care if we apply it in a weird way, so I guess I'll pivot to neutral to wash my hands of this bit of conversation.

My bad, should've added context for this one. The eternals are Tenebris' children; he is their power source, I'll quote Arkhos' (one of the eternals) dialogue after he is defeated "Whom shall I worship in this last hour of mine? O Creator (Tenebris), why hast thou forsaken me? Thou gave me power to lead them, but I have failed thee...", this is also the reason why tenebris has fate manipulation, curse manipulation and conceptual manipulation, tenebris is implied to be far better than all his children at their own concepts. Hoaxen is one of his children, the embodiment of illusion.

I'll need more than context, I will need scans.

That's an in-game description straight from the SF3 devs, not the character. Sometimes, they word it that way to tease and maintain hype until the character is brought to the game (yeah, Tenebris is set to appear later in the game).

It's still worded as hearsay. I disagree with it being treated as solid.

Shadow Fight 3 has a habit of referring to timelines as planes.
For context, I'll explain about the first time the term "planes" was used; After his wife's death, Shadow plans to destroy the timeline and recreate it. Bolo is the smartest man alive, and his particle accelerator (accelerator core) can help Shadow achieve his goal, so shadow forcefully ceases the prototype from bolo and gets full access to it. Bolo travels back to the past so many times to stop Shadow, but Shadow always attains his goal (due to shadow's fate manipulation), to demonstrate how futile their attempts are, bolo sends the protagonist back in time thrice to stop shadow from getting the prototype, Bolo mentions it will activate timelines (time travelling creates new timelines in this verse, due to time travel paradoxes, later in the game stranger mentions this feat, that's where the timelines were called planes, from then on, the term "planes" has been used to describe timelines/universes. In this verse, there's no other meaning for planes or worlds - they always refer to timelines or universes.

Alright. This one is finally evidence. The game does use the phrase "plane" to refer to "time lines". I can't confirm the 2-A shit since it's not in English still (looks like French, for some odd reason?), but I can at least accept this facet of the discussion.

 

[Dashio_Tessai]

Alright. This one is finally evidence. The game does use the phrase "plane" to refer to "time lines". I can't confirm the 2-A shit since it's not in English still (looks like French, for some odd reason?), but I can at least accept this facet of the discussion.

I'll be as blunt as possible on this one. Thing is, the Russian (original) version of the dialogue uses the term "бесчисленные", whose primary meaning is seems to be "countless" when asking Google and Yandex Translate. The English version of the dialogue uses the term "countless", too. Since the French version uses the term "infinite" in the same dialogue, I reckon it could be used as a substitute for the former two since it's less vague than "countless". Wasn't "countless" as a term on this wiki considered non-infinite on its own until further context shows that it is used to portray an infinite number ? In this case, since the English and French localization are done by the same company, wouldn't that count as proof that at least in English "countless" refers to an infinite number in that dialogue ?

 

[Dark_The_Heroes]

No. In this context, we are talking about 500 000 000 . timelines + the lines created by Bolo when he tried to stop the Shadow. In the case of Bolo, the same word is used as in the case of Mnemos. Бесчисленные.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I'll be as blunt as possible on this one. Thing is, the Russian (original) version of the dialogue uses the term "бесчисленные", whose primary meaning is seems to be "countless" when asking Google and Yandex Translate. The English version of the dialogue uses the term "countless", too. Since the French version uses the term "infinite" in the same dialogue, I reckon it could be used as a substitute for the former two since it's less vague than "countless". Wasn't "countless" as a term on this wiki considered non-infinite on its own until further context shows that it is used to portray an infinite number ? In this case, since the English and French localization are done by the same company, wouldn't that count as proof that at least in English "countless" refers to an infinite number in that dialogue ?

This is such a roundabout way of reaching a conclusion.

I know Russian people, I could just ask one of them to help out, begrudging though they may be to do it. From this evidence alone, no, we would not accept this as Infinite. We can't just use one random language that is neither English nor the original language that happens to use "infinite" instead of "countless" as evidence that the original meant to say "infinite".

Would you like me to speak my Ruskie friend on this? If so, give me the original scan (is that the one you linked?)

 

[Dark_The_Heroes]

Not necessarily, I'm a Russian-speaking person (But my English is extremely poor), and I played all the parts of Shadow Fight in the original Russian version.

There, the term "Бесчисленный" implies that "the world" can strive for an infinite number of timelines, making it impossible to count them. In this context, the term "Бесчисленные" refers to an "uncountable" quantity.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I spoke to my Russian.

In this context, I would not take "countless" to mean "infinite", and I wouldn't prioritize French over other languages. So on that front I would vote against it.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, Countless just means big number; not quite infinite. If it said Endless instead of Countless, that's a different story.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Yeah, Countless just means big number; not quite infinite. If it said Endless instead of Countless, that's a different story.

I agree with you.

 

[Secimatar]

Yeah, Countless just means big number; not quite infinite. If it said Endless instead of Countless, that's a different story.

Obviously we are aware that the wiki considers countless to be numerous and doesn't mean infinite by default but the problem in hand is different from that. We have scans from English and Russian (original languages) that use the word countless/Innumerable whereas the official French scan uses the word infinite. I know that usually the translations of stuff is not allowed her for stuff like manga, shows or comics cuz the localisation team working on the just does the translation and has nothing to do with the original creators but in this case things are different. Nekki (publishers) very closely supervised everything regarding localisation. Nekki provided Inlingo with detailed character profiles, story backgrounds, and tone guidelines before any translation began. That includes how characters speak and relate, ensuring authenticity to the game's voice. For test translations (e.g. German and French), Nekki reviewed multiple stylistic versions and chose their preferred tone. That style choice then served as the template for all other translations via a style guide Inlingo produced. The Inlingo(localisation)team iterated chapter by chapter and made adjustments in consultation with Nekki, especially for complex items like character dialogues or weapon translations that needed precision. Nekki even had native speakers review drafts before final approval, showing they remained actively involved in quality control throughout. All of this stuff can be found on inlingo's website. Since Nekki was directly involved with the localisations, we argue that the localisation can be used here. I would like to know your stand in this.

 

[Dark_The_Heroes]

There's a new event where a character can open rifts right at the moment of a supernova explosion. Will anyone analyze this? 0.15-0.22

 

[Richard5128pm]

I'm terribly sorry about this thread. I forgot about this after my university classes began, I had to be reminded of this. The revision is very close to being concluded (and closed), with 3 staff inputs already, I want to make a few things clear.

the scan is not in English. Not to mention the simple fact that worlds aren't always referring to separate space-times, it could also just mean planets.

Yeah, Countless just means big number; not quite infinite. If it said Endless instead of Countless, that's a different story.

I can't confirm the 2-A shit since it's not in English still (looks like French, for some odd reason?), but I can at least accept this facet of the discussion.

I brought up the 2-A argument (French scan) because it was accepted in a previous revision, and it is currently being used to scale the void, lemme quote Architect's profile for this

Multiverse level, likely Multiverse level+ with Plot Manipulation and Data Manipulation (Architect is responsible with the creation of Shadow Fight, both in terms of its narrative as well as its nature as a mobile game, and is just as capable of rewriting its story from scratch as well as deleting the game as a whole [1, 2, 3] with the Shadow Fight verse containing at the very least half a billion timelines [1] , if not an infinite amount [1, 2]

We have two options now, we can proceed with the already accepted 2-B, likely 2-A rating, OR ditch it and consider only the 2-B rating. I'll update the OP based on what you guys recommend.

Suppose I have an open book, then, that contains the secrets of space and time. This book is infinitely sized but contains the net sum of all knowledge. I can read through it and find whatever I want to know, but I don't have any particular ability to read through it faster or find the knowledge I want any sooner. I wouldn't be Omniscient (or Nigh-Omniscient). I'd still only be as intelligent as I am.

That is, to my understanding, more or less the situation here. Even if all information is theoretically available, there's no evidence (or at least, none provided) that Tenebris has the ability to ascertain that information sufficiently to be called Nigh-Omniscient. We also wouldn't give greater credence to the idea for him being the Creator, whether planes are universes or not (I'm not opposed to this latter idea, I just need actual verification that it is so).

It's still worded as hearsay. I disagree with it being treated as solid.

About this, I've added some arguments to the OP regarding it. Recently, there have been lots of in-game talks about Tenebris and their origin.

The Infinity Beacon plays a major role in The Void storyline. The void is so huge that travelling from one part to the other is almostimpossible, so the first masters of the void created a communication and transportation station that stretches to every part of the void. It is said to be the most ancient technology in the void, and it was revealed that tenebris created the beacon. I believe making something like this is well into Supergenius territory. If possibly Nigh-Omniscient gets rejected, Supergenius might be the most appropriate rating for tenebris.

Tenebris is referred to as the gods who created everything in the void with their technology and words (tenebris language). This reinforces the above scan that says they created the planes/universes with their language. It's important to note that Tenebris didn't create the void (nothingness) itself, but the countless worlds that are part of it.

 

[Secimatar]

We have two options now, we can proceed with the already accepted 2-B, likely 2-A rating, OR ditch it and consider only the 2-B rating. I'll update the OP based on what you guys recommend.

I believe this topic should be held on hold for some while or this thread should be closed and the topic can be reopened in future with in another thread as we are getting a lot of new information that has completely changed our perspective of the verse such as Tenebris being a multi entity with all of the tenebris being different, yet the same. How tenebris would scale requires more information and clarity on this subject which we don't currently have.

 

[Richard5128pm]

Sure, we can consider holding this thread for another week or so (since the game developers have promised a big event for Christmas).