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Hellaverse Speed (MASSIVE Downgrades and Possible Upgrade) CRT

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2nd CRT ever and it's continuing the trend of downgrading the verse that I'm a supporter for...mostly. How fun!

Subsonic/Supersonic downgrade for Literally everyone, Possibly Hypersonic+ for Overlords, Goetia, ect

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According to DaReaper, the Robo fizz feat was agree to be removed. As such, due to having no calcs puting them higher, Everyone's at least SUBSONIC from the Cherri bomb feat with imps being baseline and we'll remove it from the verse page! Though, it might be possible to for the overlords to still be hypersonic+ due to Alastor's performance against adam since i still do believe adam should downscale lucifer at most. Also, due the many many many bullet timing feats that haven't been calced yet, everyone's likely baseline and above supersonic How fun this verse truly is

Possible Sins and Transformed Charlie Upgrade



The Sins are super top on the board in hell so they might just downscale lucifer's feat and his speed. Fully Transformed Charlie reacted to and intercepted Enraged Adam's flying punch with Adam. as i said, should downscale Lucifer's feat at most. Not married to either though and the sins could just be unquantifiably higher while Fully transformed Charlie could just downscale Mach 19 like adam should

FTL removal

Striker, who is far slower than Goetia, can catch Stolas midflight while he was trying to fly away for his life while comparable characters haven't shown this level of speed and reactions.

Low tiers - At least Mach 0.1 (Downscale to baseline), likely Mach 1.1
Blitzo (relative but inferior to Robo fizz)
Millie (relative but inferior to Robo fizz)
Moxxie (relative but inferior to Robo fizz)
Loona (relative to the cast and can transformed to be faster and stronger by an unknown amount)
Robo Fizz (Scales to own feat)
Striker (Superior to the cast)
Sallie May (Scales to Millie)
Barbie Wire (apparently scales to blitz)
Rolando (Scales to blitz)
Human Martha (scales to Blitz)


Low Mid tiers - At least Mach 0.1609, likely above Mach 1.1
Angel Dust (Largely upscales imps as a Sinner)
Sir Pentious (upscales imps, relative but inferior to Angel Dust)
Cherri Bomb (Comparable to Angel Dust)
Husk (comparable to Angel and was a former overlord)
Possibly Sinner Martha (is a sinner and should be much superior to her human form but otherwise has no scaling)
Vaggie (Superior to Angel Dust as a fallen angel AND former exorcist)
Lute (Comparable to vaggie after her training with camila)


Mid tiers - Far Superior to Mach 0.1609 to Mach 1.1, Possibly downscales to Mach 10 (Baseline Hypersonic+)
Alastor (Killed overlords, one of the most powerful beings in hell, comparable to stolas, and has power that far exceeds most demons. Repeatedly dodged a casual Adam)
Vox (Comparable to alastor and beat him in some unknown capacity)
Carmilla Carmine (toyed with Vaggie and was merely training the girl. Killed excocists and should be comparable albeiet inferior to Alastor)
Valentino (Superior to Angel Dust, is an overlord, Alastor stated Vox would be powerless without him and velvette [though this might be bluster to get under Vox's skin])
Velvette (Part of the Vees, is an overlord, Superior to Sir Pentious, Alastor stated Vox would be powerless without her and Val [though this might be bluster to get under Vox's skin])
Stolas (Is a goetia and should be far superior to most demons. Comparable to Alastor)
Andreaphus (Is a goetia and is able to keep up with I.M.P and a heavily weakened stolas)
Base Charlie (is the daughter of lucifer and possesses power that far exceeds most demons)


High tiers - Downscales Mach 19
Adam (Downscales Lucifer. Offscreen a semi-transformed Charlie and called her attempt to fight him "cute". Blitzed Alastor when serious, i guess)
Fully Transformed Charlie (reacted to and blocked an Enraged Adam Punch, shocking him)
Possibly The 6 Deadly Sins (Surpass Hell and rule a section of hell just like lucifer)

Let's see how this goes. MB for any errors.

At least Subsonic, likely Supersonic Imps, Sinners, Overlords, etc.
Agree: @LegendariumOfLies, @FinePoint, @DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt, @Godernet, @ActuallySpaceMan42,
Disagree:

Overlords possibly downscaling to baseline hypersonic+ due to Alastor's fight against Adam
Agree: @DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt (Believes Alastor is superior to Adam in combat speed and only Vox should scale to Alastor), @TheOrangeGuy09 (Believes Alastor is superior to Adam in combat speed and only Vox should scale to Alastor)
Disagree:

FTL Removal
Agree: @DaReaperMan, @OrangeFR, @LegendariumOfLies, @FinePoint, @TheOrangeGuy09, @DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt, @Godernet, @ActuallySpaceMan42,
Disagree:

Sins and Fully Transformed Charlie downscale from Lucifer's speed feat (Cool, ig)
Agree: @DaReaperMan (is iffy on this), @OrangeFR, @LegendariumOfLies, @FinePoint, @DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt, @Godernet,
Disagree:
 
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The RoboFizz calc was agreed to be removed(for bogus reasons by a currently banned member--)

Frankly, I think new feats ought to be found anyway. We've got a lot more since those ratings were set up lmfao

Oh, and I think Adam should be downgraded from being FTL at all anyway, and the feat that's FTL has been contested hard-core before, so... yeah.
 
man i don't even know what the **** is happening with this verse at this point.
first they destroy the vox feat (and not is useless in every sense of the word)then the Adam feat, i don't really care, then the speed scaling.
AND WE STILL HAVE THE SAME ******* PROBLEM OF NOT ACCEPTING THE STORY OF HELL JUST FOR SOME BULLSHIT THEORIES.
 
man i don't even know what the **** is happening with this verse at this point.
first they destroy the vox feat (and not is useless in every sense of the word)then the Adam feat, i don't really care, then the speed scaling.
AND WE STILL HAVE THE SAME ******* PROBLEM OF NOT ACCEPTING THE STORY OF HELL JUST FOR SOME BULLSHIT THEORIES.
How DARE people have other interpretations, I know!
 
How DARE people have other interpretations, I know!
look, i understand the Adam feat, actually, **** i don't care, but the vox one???and what kind of interpretation is basically theory crafting and saying that the story of hell is unusable is that?
 
look, i understand the Adam feat, actually, **** i don't care, but the vox one???
Funny thing about you complaining about the Vox feat, every calc for it assumes a day of power or a stupid high capacity, neither of which can strictly be true lmfao
and what kind of interpretation is basically theory crafting and saying that the story of hell is unusable is that?
I have nothing to say to you on this that isn't some rendition of "Deal with it"

Also complain on the discussion thread not here lmfao
 
The RoboFizz calc was agreed to be removed(for bogus reasons by a currently banned member--)
This Verse got nothing lmao. Gonna change this so we can remove that feat and this verse goes back to subsonic, ig
Frankly, I think new feats ought to be found anyway. We've got a lot more since those ratings were set up lmfao
k. I'll try requesting those feats get calc but give me the feats you got off the top of your head so i can request them
Oh, and I think Adam should be downgraded from being FTL at all anyway, and the feat that's FTL has been contested hard-core before, so... yeah.
gotcha
 
Oh, and I think Adam should be downgraded from being FTL at all anyway, and the feat that's FTL has been contested hard-core before, so... yeah.
K, you don't like the ftl thing. What are your arguments against it so i can add it as a possible removal and do you think the sins, Transformed Charlie, And Adam Downscale from Lucifer's hypersonic+ speed feat?
 
This Verse got nothing lmao. Gonna change this so we can remove that feat and this verse goes back to subsonic, ig

k. I'll try requesting those feats get calc but give me the feats you got off the top of your head so i can request them
Off the top of my head... Millie kicking a bullet out of the air in the mafia episode, FleshyFizz moving Blitz to defend himself in S2E5, can't remember for the life of me if the second Cherub fight has anything

But to be fair my brain half-rotted away after Helluva focused on Stolitz again, and I don't know for the life of me if anyone does anything worth a value in Hazbin.
 
Off the top of my head... Millie kicking a bullet out of the air in the mafia episode, FleshyFizz moving Blitz to defend himself in S2E5, can't remember for the life of me if the second Cherub fight has anything

But to be fair my brain half-rotted away after Helluva focused on Stolitz again, and I don't know for the life of me if anyone does anything worth a value in Hazbin.
Gotcha. thx. I'll look into it and attempt to request calcs for it. (We won't get anything for a while if it does get calced)
 
K, you don't like the ftl thing. What are your arguments against it so i can add it as a possible removal
The same as before, Lucifer was screwing around for that entire fight and there's literally nothing proving Adam reacted to anything Lucifer was serious about.

As for the Stolas feat itself, the accursed thing has a lot of weird shit happening in it. Not necessarily an illusion, I don't agree with that line of logic, but it's definitely got enough weird things happening that I can't put my finger on...

But it's also a ******* outlier for big bird. Striker caught the man while he was flying for his life, and comparable characters never show anything even close to this sort of speed flying or otherwise.
and do you think the sins, Transformed Charlie, And Adam Downscale from Lucifer's hypersonic+ speed feat?
That's fine, I guess?
 
The same as before, Lucifer was screwing around for that entire fight and there's literally nothing proving Adam reacted to anything Lucifer was serious about.

As for the Stolas feat itself, the accursed thing has a lot of weird shit happening in it. Not necessarily an illusion, I don't agree with that line of logic, but it's definitely got enough weird things happening that I can't put my finger on...

But it's also a ******* outlier for big bird. Striker caught the man while he was flying for his life, and comparable characters never show anything even close to this sort of speed flying or otherwise.
Gotcha. i'll be sure to add that for reasoning
That's fine, I guess?
Honestly fair, I feel similar.
How do you feel about the new addition with Al and overlords possibly being Mach 10 due to Alastor boxing with Adam to the point he had to get serious and used his laser which has far higher speed than he does?
 
Off the top of my head... Millie kicking a bullet out of the air in the mafia episode, FleshyFizz moving Blitz to defend himself in S2E5, can't remember for the life of me if the second Cherub fight has anything

But to be fair my brain half-rotted away after Helluva focused on Stolitz again, and I don't know for the life of me if anyone does anything worth a value in Hazbin.

I guess Cletus reacting and blocking bullets after they were already shoot at 15:15
 
I gotta say, this is one h*ll of a verse

...say that again
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anyways bump
 
"Subsonic Imps, Sinners, Overlords, etc."
I'm pretty sure with the many MANY feats we have, the imps (and rest of the cast as a result) will at least be supersonic, but for the most part, I think the overlords shouldnt scale down to the low tiers

"Overlords possibly downscaling to baseline hypersonic+ due to Alastor's fight against Adam"
I made a whole post about this, to sum it up, Alastor is demonstratably AT LEAST on par with Adam, I can accept him downscaling a bit with the reasoning of it being more a combo of dex+better BiQ that kept him safe, but too much dodging happened in that fight for me to accept AL as significantly slower than Adam, even catching him off guard a few times. And the other Overlords should scale to that, though, AL has been stated in-verse to be a bit abnormal, even implied for overlord standards, so theres that. Basically, they should scale definitively, not as a possibly.
 
"Subsonic Imps, Sinners, Overlords, etc."
I'm pretty sure with the many MANY feats we have, the imps (and rest of the cast as a result) will at least be supersonic, but for the most part, I think the overlords shouldnt scale down to the low tiers
Many feats, next to no calcs 💀. I'll try putting on a supersonic rating as a possiblity due to their bullet timing but without the nessasary calcs they'll either go down to the next highest calc they'll scale to (Subsonic) or supersonic.
"Overlords possibly downscaling to baseline hypersonic+ due to Alastor's fight against Adam"
I made a whole post about this, to sum it up, Alastor is demonstratably AT LEAST on par with Adam, I can accept him downscaling a bit with the reasoning of it being more a combo of dex+better BiQ that kept him safe, but too much dodging happened in that fight for me to accept AL as significantly slower than Adam, even catching him off guard a few times. And the other Overlords should scale to that, though, AL has been stated in-verse to be a bit abnormal, even implied for overlord standards, so theres that. Basically, they should scale definitively, not as a possibly.
Dw, i really want Al being that high but i'm just prepared for the fact not everyone sees it that way. but, i'll try
 
Dw, i really want Al being that high but i'm just prepared for the fact not everyone sees it that way. but, i'll try
I do not, since Adam was also ******* around that entire fight.

Basically, I'm an equal opportunity hater, Adam doesn't scale to Lucifer and Alastor doesn't scale to Adam lol
 
I do not, since Adam was also ******* around that entire fight.

Basically, I'm an equal opportunity hater, Adam doesn't scale to Lucifer and Alastor doesn't scale to Adam lol
Fair enough, i also don't think he scales. But, one question though. If you've already agreed the sins and Full power transformed charlie downscale lucifer's feat, shouldn't adam have the same thing since he's at least equal to fully transformed charlie (don't need to discuss the fact he offscreen her semi-transformed self) and Al should downscale him?
 
Fair enough, i also don't think he scales. But, one question though. If you've already agreed the sins and Full power transformed charlie downscale lucifer's feat, shouldn't adam have the same thing since he's at least equal to fully transformed charlie (don't need to discuss the fact he offscreen her semi-transformed self) and Al should downscale him?
Like I said, "I guess". With the addendum that Full Power Charlie is a very strange case. I mean so is Sin scaling but that's a discussion for another time.
 
Alastor should absolutely scale relative to Adam, even if it's a downscale, my whole rant goes into more depth why, but the long and short of it is that
1. To say Adam has that level of self control to hold back on speed when he is constantly missing a target just makes no sense narratively or logically
2. Alastor was also screwing around that whole fight, literally laughing at the guy and bothering to get close to Adam for literally no other reason than to be annoying to him
And 3. Being more powerful doesn't have to mean faster, everyone in a given verse can be relative in speed and have the changing factor be sheer power, (MCU anyone?) which is what that whole fight displayed
 
subsonic hellaverse less goo, i wanna see where this goes so bad
After much consideration and recollection (people told me feats), I realized I likely can't but them fully to subsonic due to the many many many bullet timing feats from the Imps (these things carry the speed of this verse man) so I put an at least rating for Subsonic and a likely for them to be supersonic.
This verse just got soo lucky
 
After much consideration and recollection (people told me feats), I realized I likely can't but them fully to subsonic due to the many many many bullet timing feats from the Imps (these things carry the speed of this verse man) so I put an at least rating for Subsonic and a likely for them to be supersonic.
This verse just got soo lucky
Supersonic Alastor vs Supersonic JJK when?
 
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