Hellaverse HUGE Changes

[Comiphorous]

Vees could have sneak attacked. And we don’t know if Alastor used his strongest attacks and stuff or just basic attacks, and if he did it to a Full Demon Form before intervention.
Season 2 is out and you are still on assumption-scaling

But i'm asking you a simple question? I'm not "assumption scaling" im asking you to fix the issue in your scaling. I'm asking you how this effects Vox and the Vees since as far as we know it was a direct fight and you yourself have given a plethora of evidence suggesting the three fought and defeated him at full power. Even if it were a sneak attack that means they harmed him and scale to him anyways, since you can't holdback your own durability. (which by the way that would be a very big assumption by you, for someone calling me "assumption-scaling")

Do they scale according to the fact the three were able to squeak out a victory on him or do we ignore that statement and evidence YOU brought up regarding it and scale him only to the weakened version of Alastor?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

But i'm asking you a simple question? I'm not "assumption scaling" im asking you to fix the issue in your scaling. I'm asking you how this effects Vox and the Vees since as far as we know it was a direct fight and you yourself have given a plethora of evidence suggesting the three fought and defeated him at full power. Even if it were a sneak attack that means they harmed him and scale to him anyways, since you can't holdback your own durability.

You can be offguarded + prove that he was in his Demon Form, since that’s what I’m proposing to change, not his base which gets freaking one-shotted just like his huge shield.

There is zero evidence they harmed or tanked his electrified tentacles or harmed his Demon Form. This is indeed an assumptious scaling.

Anyways, if what I’m seeing on Reaper’s wall is an agreed cooperation plan for CRTs on the verse, I’ll ask this to be closed anyways, so further back-and-forth debate is useless.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

But i'm asking you a simple question? I'm not "assumption scaling" im asking you to fix the issue in your scaling. I'm asking you how this effects Vox and the Vees since as far as we know it was a direct fight and you yourself have given a plethora of evidence suggesting the three fought and defeated him at full power. Even if it were a sneak attack that means they harmed him and scale to him anyways, since you can't holdback your own durability.

Do they scale according to the fact the three were able to squeak out a victory on him or do we ignore that statement and evidence YOU brought up regarding it and scale him only to the weakened version of Alastor?

Didn't AL literally say something about how Vox wouldn't want his defeat broadcast AGAIN? we know that he manipulates the media and AL doesnt really care, so he prolly just spun the story he wanted, they were struggling with him WEAKENED, theres enough evidence that Vox outright lied and the others do as well for their ego

 

[DaReaperMan]

So we were discussing Full demon the whole time, Orange?

sigh

That is maybe fine, since I doubt his cane changes durability. I don't like the feats used for tentacles, but if I'm outvoted that's that.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

So we were discussing Full demon the whole time, Orange?

sigh

That is maybe fine, since I doubt his cane changes durability. I don't like the feats used for tentacles, but if I'm outvoted that's that.

Oh yuck. Man I should have made that more clear. Would have saved us lots and lots of time.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

Also AL dodged 2 gunshots without seeing them, only after they passed through the smoke, and he'd have no clue where they'd come from based on sound, so shouldn't that be calced?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Also AL dodged 2 gunshots without seeing them, only after they passed through the smoke, and he'd have no clue where they'd come from based on sound, so shouldn't that be calced?

I’m planning to calc that after I watch the second season fully. Also maybe use spoilers.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

I’m planning to calc that after I watch the second season fully. Also maybe use spoilers.

how pls

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

how pls

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

thanks

 

[Comiphorous]

You can be offguarded + prove that he was in his Demon Form, since that’s what I’m proposing to change, not his base which gets freaking one-shotted just like his huge shield.

There is zero evidence they harmed or tanked his electrified tentacles or harmed his Demon Form. This is indeed an assumptious scaling.

Anyways, if what I’m seeing on Reaper’s wall is an agreed cooperation plan for CRTs on the verse, I’ll ask this to be closed anyways, so further back-and-forth debate is useless.

Isn't alastor not in demon form when hitting Adam? This here is prosumably when he enters demon form, and the chin hit happens before that. I assumed considering that this applied to base Alastor.

Didn't AL literally say something about how Vox wouldn't want his defeat broadcast AGAIN? we know that he manipulates the media and AL doesnt really care, so he prolly just spun the story he wanted, they were struggling with him WEAKENED, theres enough evidence that Vox outright lied and the others do as well for their ego

If he was twisting the media to lie about Alastor's defeat, Val wouldn't have talked about defeating him in the first place, since they'd know they lost in reality.

Edit- People below me have answered this.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Would like to point out some dialogue from the newest shiz, Alastor and Vox make another comment on their past encounters where its outright stated Vox lost the first fight when it was just him and Alastor. This basically confirms Alastor and Vox did just have a straight up 1v1, Vox lost, and then something saved his TV hide (I havent watched the episodes yet just saw the fight on youtube, so if there's a flashback to the encounter then ignore me)

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

Would like to point out some dialogue from the newest shiz, Alastor and Vox make another comment on their past encounters where its outright stated Vox lost the first fight when it was just him and Alastor. This basically confirms Alastor and Vox did just have a straight up 1v1, Vox lost, and then something saved his TV hide (I havent watched the episodes yet just saw the fight on youtube, so if there's a flashback to the encounter then ignore me)

no counter, vox lost, he lied, Val and Vel prob werent there at the time, not like they would add much

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

oh yeah another thing to note is Alastor's new Adam-induced weakpoint. While he has stitched it as best he can, that's clearly shown to hurt like hell for him when its interacted with. So thats something to add on the weakness page

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

oh yeah another thing to note is Alastor's new Adam-induced weakpoint. While he has stitched it as best he can that's clearly shown to hurt like hell for him when its interacted with. So thats something to add on the weakness page

Yuh, and also additional disadvantage he had against Vs and still kept up.