Massive Homestuck Overhaul (Additions, Removals and changes) (Act 2)

[Thelastmlg]

alright, since the cosmology upgrade went through, is time to go through time, so anything noteworthy to add, remove or change

 

[Deonment]

alright, since the cosmology upgrade went through, is time to go through time, so anything noteworthy to add, remove or change

ignoring scaling stuff which I'll deal with in the scaling thread, I don't really have any issues unless you managed to add like, 50 powers in the meantime

 

[Deonment]

Oh, wait, just caught smth

'Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Non-Physical Interaction (Sburb players can interact with ghosts, which aren't corporeal), Limited Cosmic and Fourth Wall Awareness, Dimensional Storage, Accelerated Development (Levelling, Physical Statistics, Can ascend in her Echeladder just by doing random actions or slaying enemies, making her stronger and more durable with each rungs), Pocket Reality Manipulation, Reality Warping, Dream Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Memory Manipulation and Information Manipulation (Created her own Dream bubble, of which no information could escape from and seemingly altered it's background to showcase a black hole sucking a star. Dream bubbles are liminal spaces made of the same stuff memories are made of and are made to capture the souls of dead players and dream selves. Hijacked someone's Dream Bubble and altered it into her liking, which contained other dream bubbles all existing in real space), Regeneration with the Ring of Life (At least Low-Godly, Likely Mid-Godly with the Ring of Life, Aranea stated that it made her more immortal than normal, referencing to god tier immortality, and the ring gives a physical form to souls, even if they shared a body with someone else, Aranea quickly healed cuts from Dirk), Shapeshifting/

In Calliope's profile, something happened that resulted in the entire thing getting italicized

 

[Thelastmlg]

fixed, as for changes since then

i removed Lord English's AE since the whole "essence" thing seems to be simply referring to the souls inside of Lil cal, not only that, this form only happens when he's inside of lil cal, meaning he doesn't have access to it when he's fully born unless he had a lil cal key

i added a "likely planetary" part for caliborn and union jack's range since the "destroyed the concept of light at it's very source" line is rather vague on if it is literal or not, but if it is metaphorical, it still heavily implies he destroyed the rest of his session besides his threater, since no one there could find the Earth, his seizure inducing land or the black hole which seemed to have an acression disk, those last 2 being the size of moons

 

[Accelerate420]

fixed, as for changes since then

i removed Lord English's AE since the whole "essence" thing seems to be simply referring to the souls inside of Lil cal, not only that, this form only happens when he's inside of lil cal, meaning he doesn't have access to it when he's fully born unless he had a lil cal key

I haven't read all the profiles yet but things seem good on a glance, just interjecting to ask what 'AE' stands for? It's not an abbreviation I'm familiar with and I haven't gotten to checking Caliborn's profile yet before it was changed.

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

I haven't read all the profiles yet but things seem good on a glance, just interjecting to ask what 'AE' stands for? It's not an abbreviation I'm familiar with and I haven't gotten to checking Caliborn's profile yet before it was changed.

It means Abstract Existence

 

[Eseseso]

Do you plan on changing the tiers because of the new cosmology?

 

[Deonment]

Do you plan on changing the tiers because of the new cosmology?

Temporarily to my understanding cause there should be a scaling thread made after this and I may or may not be planning to go for the throat on some of the scaling to 1-A (now High 1-A)

 

[Thelastmlg]

You mean the tiers in the pages in the overhaul blog? Cause they are not the focus, we already changed the tiers in the pages that had to be upgraded, the tiers in my blog was just from me copy and pasting the pages there, only the abilities, justifications and range would be changed

 

[Accelerate420]

After looking over the profiles properly and the thread, I don't have any objections to what's currently up, nor do I have any extra additions I can think of at the moment. Is there anything else to be done here or should we start wrapping this up?

 

[Zarovut]

Just a thought. So I was reading through the wiki when I came across this in the Beyond-Dimensional Existence page:

Type 3: Characters who exceed dimensionality through a qualitative superiority over lesser things, which is to say: Ontologically surpassing all the contents of a lower reality, and being above their physical composition and differentiation. Characters of this nature don't simply lack all physicality and composition (As in Type 1), but surpass it altogether, being of a wholly superior nature that is not reachable by lower states of existence. But as stated at the beginning of the page, these beings can still operate on a higher notion of dimensionality that is fundamental to their own nature and reality.

So apparently, there is now BDE Type 3 which is basically a qualitative superiority over dimensions.

(Back then, BDE Type 2 used to host both quantitative and qualitative superiority over dimensions. But it has since been separated, with BDE Type 2 now only being a quantitative superiority, and the new BDE Type 3 being a qualitative superiority.)

With that in mind, are there any Homestuck characters that could receive BDE Type 3?

 

[Thelastmlg]

Ultimate Selves and alt Calliope i believe

 

[Thelastmlg]

Bump, i just realized we only need one more staff vote, who should i call?

 

[Thelastmlg]

Bump, is there anything else to change on the profiles before i try to call for staff now that the downgrade is over?

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

Bump, is there anything else to change on the profiles before i try to call for staff now that the downgrade is over?

Lord English’s Type 4 Acausality

I think it looked fine from what I remember. Might run through it again soon.

 

[Deonment]

Should be fine, honestly

 

[Eseseso]

What needs to be done?

 

[Deonment]

What needs to be done?

We quite literally just need more staff

 

[Thelastmlg]

i added LE's acausality, and i figured i'd adjust the jenga tower thing since it isn't considered to be narratives anymore, is really just changing text and removing plot manip from one of MSPAReader's keys, besides that i mostly adjusted a bit of caliborn's stuff to be consistent such as his range

from what i can tell we just need 1 more staff vote

 

[Deonment]

and i figured i'd adjust the jenga tower thing since it isn't considered to be narratives anymore

Well, they're still narratives to some degree, since plot and causality are either deeply interconnected or just one and the same (along with time, but that's for a separate thread), so I think it should stay

 

[Thelastmlg]

Well, they're still narratives to some degree, since plot and causality are either deeply interconnected or just one and the same (along with time, but that's for a separate thread), so I think it should stay

i'm not sure tho, cuz we had the whole downgrade where we considered that they weren't speaking about the same creators as the director, otherwise i'm pretty sure they would qualify for R>F

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

i'm not sure tho, cuz we had the whole downgrade where we considered that they weren't speaking about the same creators as the director, otherwise i'm pretty sure they would qualify for R>F

I think the issue was more that the R>F didn’t exactly qualify for 1-A, that was it (kinda why in hindsight I’m not big on R>F being used to auto gain 1-A, but that’s a me thing)

 

[Deonment]

i'm not sure tho, cuz we had the whole downgrade where we considered that they weren't speaking about the same creators as the director, otherwise i'm pretty sure they would qualify for R>F

The rivers being narratives unto themselves, was not part of the reason why they got downgraded, so it should still be fine

 

[Thelastmlg]

i'm back at disagreeing with the downgrade and will continue arguing the verse is high 1-A outside of vsb then cuz that's ******* stupid

anyway imma add the plot stuff back the rivers then, in the meanwhile, what staff should i contact too

 

[Deonment]

in the meanwhile, what staff should i contact too

Fine point could show up I'd imagine, maybe Vetthai also?

Also did realize that because of the downgrade threads MSPA Reader's Transcendence Path's AP justification will have to change (since it was agreed that the full light of reality didn't transcend the FR, it was just the FR), but I'm not sure if this would be the thread for it tbh