Popular/Controversial Verses and the Determination Thereof

[Mr. Bambu]

My impression of JoJo's is that it's a suitable fit, but I haven't interfaced with the verse for a long time. I would like it if some evaluating staff who might be familiar could offer a judgement call, I think I'd value that over looking at an incomplete picture.

 

[KingTempest]

I disagree with keeping Jojo there
Nobody touches it except Chariot when he feels like it once every 3 years
Please leave Jojo out

 

[FinePoint]

I disagree with keeping Jojo there
Nobody touches it except Chariot when he feels like it once every 3 years
Please leave Jojo out

I will say, that despite its popularity, I rarely get asked to evaluate JoJo's threads.
So this seems to pass the vibe check for me at least.

 

[Antvasima]

I also think that we can remove Jojo, Undertale, and maybe Gravity Falls.

 

[FinePoint]

I also think that we can remove Jojo, Undertale, and maybe Gravity Falls.

I also think that's reasonable, but I'll wait for another admin before posting yet another 'final' list.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Hi. Non staff member stopping by. Just wanted to bump this again.

 

[Antvasima]

So what are our current conclusions and what do we still need to decide here?

 

[FinePoint]

So what are our current conclusions and what do we still need to decide here?

We need more admin input on Jojo, Undertale, and Gravity Falls.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I also think that we can remove Jojo, Undertale, and maybe Gravity Falls.

This is fine with me too

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[Dereck03]

but I want to know what would be the minor revision case for those verses, for example, this character can create a fireball so fire manipulation or this character can rewind time so time manipulation, minor things like that would need the 3 staff per revision as well?

No one has answered this. What will happen to minor revisions for the verses listed here? Would they need three as well?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I suppose my opinion would be that they should need two. But determination of something being a minor revision falls to the staff- I have noticed many members describing their own revisions as minor, with some being certainly not-so-minor. Let it be known this ought not be the case, especially here.

 

[FinePoint]

I suppose my opinion would be that they should need two.

I was also thinking this would be a logical extension, and actually the current rules already completely exempt popular verses from the minor revision clause.

It is important to note that this guideline does not apply to revisions for popular or widely-recognized verses.

Though this would imply three by the current rules, so we'd need to rewrite it slightly.

 

[Dereck03]

What that indicates is that popular verses or verses that are long recognized are exempt from that rule, but some of the verses listed there are not even that well known (even more when comparing them to the likes of DB, MHA, Bleach, etc) but here on the wiki are controversial due to their long history of revisions and so on, so I don't know how clear that rule would be right now.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I was also thinking this would be a logical extension, and actually the current rules already completely exempt popular verses from the minor revision clause.

Though this would imply three by the current rules, so we'd need to rewrite it slightly.

Bump? It's been more than a month after all.

 

[KLOL506]

Bump

 

[FinePoint]

This still needs to be resolved. All we need are some more votes. Most of the details have already been hashed out at this point.

 

[KLOL506]

What do we need to vote on? I can tag the admins.

 

[Antvasima]

Can somebody summarise our progress so far here, and which staff members who think what here, please?

 

[KLOL506]

In alphabetical order, as requested.

Spoiler: Final Final List

Ben 10
Bleach
Chainsaw Man
DC
Demon Slayer
Devil May Cry
Dragon Ball
Fairy Tail
Four Knights of the Apocalypse
Fujitakaverse (including Instant Death)
Genshin Impact
God of War
Hellaverse
Jojo's Bizarre Adventures
Jujutsu Kaisen
MCU/Marvel
Mario
Megami Tensei
My Hero Academia
Naruto
Nasuverse
One Piece
One-Punch Man
Pokemon
Sonic
That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime
The Misfit of Demon King Academy
Tokyo Revengers
Undertale
World of Darkness

Found the list, from what I recall JoJo, Undertale and Gravity Falls were agreed to be removed, but I don't recall where exactly such a list should be put in.

Also, have we decided how many CGMs would be needed to approve a calc from these verses?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I don't think more CGMs should be necessary. In theory, CGMs are solely meant to check the math of a calc (though they can discredit a calc if it fails on other fronts); the only reason we would want multiple CGMs was if there was concerns on their being wrong. It's a more concrete thing than voting on threads, which frequently fall to interpretations.

 

[KLOL506]

I don't think more CGMs should be necessary. In theory, CGMs are solely meant to check the math of a calc (though they can discredit a calc if it fails on other fronts); the only reason we would want multiple CGMs was if there was concerns on their being wrong. It's a more concrete thing than voting on threads, which frequently fall to interpretations.

So... just one CGM would be enough for these verses?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Yeah, I don't think we need a special policy to accept a Dragon Ball calc or whatever.

 

[Psychomaster35]

In alphabetical order, as requested.

Spoiler: Final Final List

Ben 10
Bleach
Chainsaw Man
DC
Demon Slayer
Devil May Cry
Dragon Ball
Fairy Tail
Four Knights of the Apocalypse
Fujitakaverse (including Instant Death)
Genshin Impact
God of War
Hellaverse
Jojo's Bizarre Adventures
Jujutsu Kaisen
MCU/Marvel
Mario
Megami Tensei
My Hero Academia
Naruto
Nasuverse
One Piece
One-Punch Man
Pokemon
Sonic
That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime
The Misfit of Demon King Academy
Tokyo Revengers
Undertale
World of Darkness

Looking at the list again, do you think Hellaverse could be removed from this? It was only ever controversial when they were talking about the hotel split feat, but ever since Season 2 came out with a new feat everyone scales to that is straightforward, I haven't seen much controversy with this series. Not to mention, it's a less iconic webseries than The Amazing Digital Circus which we already removed from the list.

 

[StrymULTRA]

but ever since Season 2 came out with a new feat everyone scales to that is straightforward

There's literally a pretty heated CRT on the feat right now, though.

Helluva Fast Downgrades (Hellaverse Tier 5 Removal)

Recently, like, very recently, it was accepted in this thread that the vast majority of Hazbin Hotel (and some Helluva Boss) characters would be getting upgraded to 5-B and then later in this thread to 5-A, due to a showing in the finale involving the Might of Lilith piercing the barrier to...

vsbattles.com

 

[DaReaperMan]

Looking at the list again, do you think Hellaverse could be removed from this? It was only ever controversial when they were talking about the hotel split feat, but ever since Season 2 came out with a new feat everyone scales to that is straightforward, I haven't seen much controversy with this series. Not to mention, it's a less iconic webseries than The Amazing Digital Circus which we already removed from the list.

On one end, yeah, most Crts are relatively smooth

On the other end though, the reason that is the case is because we do most of the controversial arguing in DMs or on the discussion thread, and when that doesn't happen, we get threads like this:

Helluva Fast Downgrades (Hellaverse Tier 5 Removal)

Recently, like, very recently, it was accepted in this thread that the vast majority of Hazbin Hotel (and some Helluva Boss) characters would be getting upgraded to 5-B and then later in this thread to 5-A, due to a showing in the finale involving the Might of Lilith piercing the barrier to...

vsbattles.com

....

...

...

Also literally nobody brought this up when I was upgrading the verse. We did not know we needed 3 mods.

 

[Antvasima]

Also literally nobody brought this up when I was upgrading the verse. We did not know we needed 3 mods.

Can't the original upgrade thread be reopened to gather more staff input instead? If there is an accepted calculation as a basis, the revision seems self-evident.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Can't the original upgrade thread be reopened to gather more staff input instead? If there is an accepted calculation as a basis, the revision seems self-evident.

There's a downgrade happening currently, so I'd rather get more input onto the thread posted above. If the downgrade fails, then someone can hop onto the original upgrade thread and review it, though it's already been applied.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, if the main reason for the downgrade thread is that you needed an extra evaluation, attempting to get one seems like a good idea.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Well, if the main reason for the downgrade thread is that you needed an extra evaluation, attempting to get one seems like a good idea.

No it's entirely on the feat used itself.

REGARDLESS, I only posted here because I felt I had something to add to the prompt. If that is all, I will take my leave.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Just wondering, would the requirement also impact minor and self-evident CRTs?

 

[Shadowslash125]

Knock knock, got perms. Here to preach why Fairy Tail shouldn't be on the list.

FT is almost a dead verse, except for the fact that it got reawakened to be revised one day, though it took pretty long. The series itself isn't mainstream compared to the other shonen series, and far as I'm aware, most shenanigans they pull aren't really controversial beyond the few funny ***** with Zeref. With time and effort taken to revise it back, I can't say whether it would find itself back at the list, but in the state it is in, not only does it not meet the conditions to even have a spot here, it would actively bring detriment to the revising party. Here are the two revising crts btw (should be done already, not an advert).

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Subject to future changes if it picks up again, I would agree for now that Fairy Tail probably isn't in a position to be troublesome enough to warrant the controversial tag.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I can agree with removing FT from the controversial list.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I think staff members who were seen as FT's main supporters left and a lot of users who assisted also seemed to, but it doesn't seem controversial anymore.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I think staff members who were seen as FT's main supporters left and a lot of users who assisted also seemed to, but it doesn't seem controversial anymore.

I never left, I’m right here, watching


Always watching

 

[KingTempest]

I never left, I’m right here, watching


Always watching

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I never left, I’m right here, watching


Always watching

Fair enough

That just means he stepped down from staff, doesn't mean he left the platform.

 

[KLOL506]

That just means he stepped down from staff, doesn't mean he left the platform.

I'm pretty sure he's just joking all things considered