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The Shadow Monarch vs The one who walks in the darkness (6-12-0)

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Good call about the range and minor information.

Jinwoo would have his shadow soldiers occupying many kilometers of space. So Sasuke is going to have some trouble actually getting off the Genjutsu on him.

Jinwoo is also 7x faster than Sasuke's base and has the power to one-shot.
I was about to say maybe flame control, but SJW has heat hax resistance up to lightning on his pf....

Strongest aurafarmer of today FRA
 
Is everyone blind or just can't see Sasuke is small country+ in base? I don't see the op restricting it anywhere
 
hmm might vote SJW then

Since OP didn't specify the distance, then assuming SBA, SJW, and Sasuke are like 4KM apart, so Sasuke is never applying enough pressure to stop Jin Woo from summoning soldiers, which Jin Woo would definitely do immediately coming into the battle with minor knowledge + stack this with stealth and speed amps to dodge around Sasuke's line of sight. For example, I could see SJW standing behind the back of a shadow dragon at an angle where Sasuke can't look him in the eyes

At that point, the soldiers drop in and make quick work of bro while he just jumps in and uses speed amps to maneuver around him for added support


To top it all off SJW has class T TK on Sasuke's class G physicals so he'd eventually use it to break sasukes bigger susanoos
Sasuke has ftl movement speed with shunshin. He's immediately closing the distance.

Pre time skip Sasuke LS is class T. No one ever bothered to update post time skip coz bigger revision are coming up. Just check kid Sasuke LS It's class T.

Finally Sasuke is possibly small country+ level. Jinwoo option here is EE .

Considering genjutsu is just going to happen in one look, Sasuke takes this 9/10 before breath of destruction can land
 
I am assuming he is using the 6-C version? Why would he put a 6-C against a Low 6-B?
His 6c key is also low6B.

And considering the op never even restricted susanoo and that's like H6B , why would I think the op would restrict it?
thats "possibly" and OP never specified if we should use it
Op is meant to specify that he shouldn't use it
 
Sasuke has ftl movement speed with shunshin. He's immediately closing the distance.
Sasuke has to cover 4 km before Jinwoo just summons his shadows which is thought based and far less distance for them to cover
Pre time skip Sasuke LS is class T. No one ever bothered to update post time skip coz bigger revision are coming up. Just check kid Sasuke LS It's class T.
Jinwoo's is still better by almost double
Finally Sasuke is possibly small country+ level. Jinwoo option here is EE .
Its possibly for a reason. We'd just assume the 6-C end
 
Sasuke has ftl movement speed with shunshin. He's immediately closing the distance.
Does he start with shunhin?
Pre time skip Sasuke LS is class T. No one ever bothered to update post time skip coz bigger revision are coming up. Just check kid Sasuke LS It's class T.
Nvm, guess the pf is just dated (shoulda figured with how mid the chakra section kinda looks)
Finally Sasuke is possibly small country+ level. Jinwoo option here is EE .
I really don't think OPs intention was low 6B
Considering genjutsu is just going to happen in one look, Sasuke takes this 9/10 before breath of Destruction can land
Assuming he can find jin woo through all the 10000000 shadow soilders, then sure, potential gg ig, but idk how he's doing this
 
Minor information doesn't really cover the whole "oh this guy has a technique that has 4 times more layers/potency and is capable of incapping you"

The idea was that both know the basics of each other's kit and thus know what to expect
Jinwoo is also 7x faster than Sasuke's base and has the power to one-shot.
Mangekyo gives him FTL reactions in his previous key, EMS is supposed to be superior and give him way better stats than the normal Mangekyo so there are no blitzes happening here (that's why I didn't make it equal speed)




Also yeah guys, I indented for both to be 6-C
 
Minor information doesn't really cover the whole "oh this guy has a technique that has 4 times more layers/potency and is capable of incapping you"
The sharingan is notorious even to non uchiha as an insta win that makes uchiha extremely dangerous in a 1v1. he'd at worst know to avoid eye contact seeing as how from his POV that's an instant L.
 
The sharingan is notorious even to non uchiha as an insta win that makes uchiha extremely dangerous in a 1v1. he'd at worst know to avoid eye contact seeing as how from his POV that's an instant L.
doesn't he have resistance to basic genjutsu like abilities? someone even said so earlier in the match
 
Yeah but the sharingan isn't seen as basic genjutsu it's seen as way better than that actually.
not exactly covered by "minor information" but aight

my idea was "Sauce knows Sung can summon an army, uses shadows and is comparable to him" while "Suggs knows sauce can cast illusions, uses lightning and fire, is comparable to him and can summon shit"
 
oh boy, pitting two characters i love against each other? 💔

Sadly Sasuke dogwalks

I'm still continuing with Naruto in chapters 470+
too long, too lazy 💀
470-559 ish stretch of chapters will be a lil drag to get through but once you hit 560 you'll be hooked like a magnet (happened to my roommate lol)
 
Sasuke has to cover 4 km before Jinwoo just summons his shadows which is thought based and far less distance for them to cover

Jinwoo's is still better by almost double

Its possibly for a reason. We'd just assume the 6-C end
1. I didn't say he's reaching jinwoo faster than he summons his shadows. I said he closes the gap pretty quickly. None of the shadows are touching Sasuke before he does that.
Sasuke is used to fighting thousands of people via dealing with Naruto and used to focusing on just a single being instead of their minions just like he did against the ten tails. He'll most likely just ignore the flies and head straight to jinwoo. What's crazy? He would just put all jinwoo generals under his control and make them clear his path better.

2. Than a pre time skip kid Sasuke? If that's what you're saying then maybe. I don't see how this helps him here.

3. No possible is assumed to be used in matches. It can just be restricted if the op specifies.
Does he start with shunhin?

Nvm, guess the pf is just dated (shoulda figured with how mid the chakra section kinda looks)

I really don't think OPs intention was low 6B

Assuming he can find jin woo through all the 10000000 shadow soilders, then sure, potential gg ig, but idk how he's doing this
1. Idk why he won't considering the guy is 4kms away from him. And he has started with shunshin in some of his matches there.

2. Well the op never restricted anything. Just said their keys.

3. He has the sharingan. He can trace their mana source. Also he can just control the generals to lead him to jinwoo.
Minor information doesn't really cover the whole "oh this guy has a technique that has 4 times more layers/potency and is capable of incapping you"

The idea was that both know the basics of each other's kit and thus know what to expect

Mangekyo gives him FTL reactions in his previous key, EMS is supposed to be superior and give him way better stats than the normal Mangekyo so there are no blitzes happening here (that's why I didn't make it equal speed)




Also yeah guys, I indented for both to be 6-C
You know base Sasuke is also possibly low 6b right? And his perfect susanoo is H6B
 
1. I didn't say he's reaching jinwoo faster than he summons his shadows. I said he closes the gap pretty quickly. None of the shadows are touching Sasuke before he does that.
All the shadows are FTL as well
Sasuke is used to fighting thousands of people via dealing with Naruto and used to focusing on just a single being instead of their minions just like he did against the ten tails
When did Sasuke get through 10,000,000 (Naruto never even dropped 5,000 on him) characters one-tap levels stronger than him, with low-godly regen.
He'll most likely just ignore the flies and head straight to jinwoo
"The flies" and they're all stronger than he is
What's crazy? He would just put all jinwoo generals under his control and make them clear his path better.
Right because Jinwoo is an idiot and lets his generals be put under someone else's control instead of simply recalling them or even just not letting them get put under GJ in the first place (he has minor knowledge so he'll know that Sasuke's eyes are gg for anyone except for maybe himself)
2. Than a pre time skip kid Sasuke? If that's what you're saying then maybe. I don't see how this helps him here.
We can't quantify the gap in lifting strength between them, so by wiki rules, Jinwoo has the lifting strength advantage
3. No possible is assumed to be used in matches. It can just be restricted if the op specifies.
Well its a good thing the OP intended for Sasuke to be 6-C
1. Idk why he won't considering the guy is 4kms away from him. And he has started with shunshin in some of his matches there.
Maybe because he'll be busy getting clapped by 10,000,000 other dudes and he simply can't get to him?
2. Well the op never restricted anything. Just said their keys.
Also yeah guys, I indented for both to be 6-C
3. He has the sharingan. He can trace their mana source. Also he can just control the generals to lead him to jinwoo.
See above, Jinwoo would have to be ******* stupid to let Sasuke get up close to him like that. Even if he couldn't just withdraw them for whatever reason, he can simply make it so Sasuke is Sasukn't
 
You know base Sasuke is also possibly low 6b right? And his perfect susanoo is H6B
It's upto the thread maker if they wish to use the possibly ratings, in this case they specified they wish to proceed with his 6C physicals so there is no need to keep arguing about this



and Sasuke does have High-6B ratings for his Susano which he can spawn instantly and one shot Jinwoo with, OP if you don't wish for Sasuke to have that you'd have to mention the susano is restricted in your OP (but i think it is fair for Sasuke to have some edge via susano if his bodily physicals are getting outclassed, it'd also help to link the actual profiles and relevant stat values in the OP too)
 
and Sasuke does have High-6B ratings for his Susano which he can spawn instantly and one shot Jinwoo with, OP if you don't wish for Sasuke to have that you'd have to mention the susano is restricted in your OP (but i think it is fair for Sasuke to have some edge via susano if his bodily physicals are getting outclassed, it'd also help to link the actual profiles and relevant stat values in the OP too)
Okay let me put this in an easy to understand way
Jin-Woo has thought based existence erasure. He could play the fight in the most stupid way possible, walk up to Sasuke and tell him to put him under Genjutsu while looking him dead in the eye, give Sasuke an an entire day of doing whatever he wants, then get bored, and just kill him. Instantly, while still in Gejutsu.
"Sasuke can simply make him kill himself"
He has low-godly regen. There is nothing Jinwoo could do to himself under Sasuke's control to actually end his life.
 
All the shadows are FTL as well

When did Sasuke get through 10,000,000 (Naruto never even dropped 5,000 on him) characters one-tap levels stronger than him, with low-godly regen.

"The flies" and they're all stronger than he is

Right because Jinwoo is an idiot and lets his generals be put under someone else's control instead of simply recalling them or even just not letting them get put under GJ in the first place (he has minor knowledge so he'll know that Sasuke's eyes are gg for anyone except for maybe himself)

We can't quantify the gap in lifting strength between them, so by wiki rules, Jinwoo has the lifting strength advantage

Well its a good thing the OP intended for Sasuke to be 6-C

Maybe because he'll be busy getting clapped by 10,000,000 other dudes and he simply can't get to him?



See above, Jinwoo would have to be ******* stupid to let Sasuke get up close to him like that. Even if he couldn't just withdraw them for whatever reason, he can simply make it so Sasuke is Sasukn't
1. That's just not true. Ftl is for sun jinwoo for intercepting breath of destruction. Only way for shadows to scale is if they scale to jinwoo and that would only be for his generals who fought with monarchs too. The rest of the army are definitely not ftl. Also Sasuke out skills them and has much better reactions with the sharingan. It's going to be very hard for them to touch him and I mean the generals coz the fodders aren't relevant. I stand corrected if all the soldiers are 6c and ftl , if they are enlighten me .

2. I said he is used to fighting thousands of people to show a large army battle isn't something he is new too. I don't recall ever mentioning him fight millions??? . And the millions one tap him? Not only are they just 2.7 time stronger which is not even close to being enough to one tap, there's no way you're telling me all the shadows scale to jinwoo and are 6c. Definitely not. Finally if Sasuke pulls out his susanoo none of them can touch him..

3. All the shadows are not equal to jinwoo

4. So he'll tell them to not look at their opponent? Fight with their feet like guy? Unless you show me a skill feat for them doing something like that then that's just not realistic. He has to keep recalling them back everytime they leave his control. Also falling once just allows Sasuke search their memories and find jinwoo.

5. We can. LS has exact values. Check and see yourself.

6. Even if that's the case he can still wipe out his H6B susanoo at anytime

7. Do you know you can just dash forward and avoid every other person to go straight to your target? Do any of the shadows even have ftl travel speed to catch up with him?

8. There's nothing jinwoo can do. He doesn't have the travel speed to run away from Sasuke. You'd argue better that he retreats to his domain everytime. Most of your arguments are stuff jinwoo never does in character. Jinwoo always leads his armies, not stand at the back and hide like you're arguing
Okay let me put this in an easy to understand way
Jin-Woo has thought based existence erasure. He could play the fight in the most stupid way possible, walk up to Sasuke and tell him to put him under Genjutsu while looking him dead in the eye, give Sasuke an an entire day of doing whatever he wants, then get bored, and just kill him. Instantly, while still in Gejutsu.
"Sasuke can simply make him kill himself"
He has low-godly regen. There is nothing Jinwoo could do to himself under Sasuke's control to actually end his life.
Broski genjutsu is mind control. He ain't walking anywhere. Once he's under it jinwoo just does whatever the **** Sasuke wants him to do without even knowing he is under it.

Also jinwoo doesn't have thought based EE. He has breath of destruction and EE by touch.

Note: Sasuke susanoo can block EE. The part blocked gets erased but he can still block it and come out alive. He did this against the tso and I'm putting it out there Just in case
 
1. That's just not true. Ftl is for sun jinwoo for intercepting breath of destruction. Only way for shadows to scale is if they scale to jinwoo and that would only be for his generals who fought with monarchs too. The rest of the army are definitely not ftl. Also Sasuke out skills them and has much better reactions with the sharingan. It's going to be very hard for them to touch him and I mean the generals coz the fodders aren't relevant. I stand corrected if all the soldiers are 6c and ftl , if they are enlighten me .
He has titans as shadows of which there are hundreds, who scale to the monarchs and are thereby 6-C and relativistic
2. I said he is used to fighting thousands of people to show a large army battle isn't something he is new too. I don't recall ever mentioning him fight millions??? . And the millions one tap him? Not only are they just 2.7 time stronger which is not even close to being enough to one tap, there's no way you're telling me all the shadows scale to jinwoo and are 6c. Definitely not. Finally if Sasuke pulls out his susanoo none of them can touch him..
My bad, they don't one-tap. That's still him being badly outnumbered and mildly outstated. Acting like they're fodder he can easily cut through is just wrong. Naruto being able to summon thousands against him (which is also something he never did as fair as I remember), is not the same as fighting 10,000,000 low godly regen users, many of which are actually just stronger than you. Susano'o is not High 6-B in the Kabuto fight and there is no stated multiplier so even with it we'd treat him as below stronger shadow soldiers and Jinwoo himself. Sasuke also will run out of stamina because of the pain from using Susano'o before the soldiers run out of regen.
3. All the shadows are not equal to jinwoo
Jinwoo heavily upscales the 6-C value, they don't have to be equal to Jinwoo to be 6-C
4. So he'll tell them to not look at their opponent? Fight with their feet like guy? Unless you show me a skill feat for them doing something like that then that's just not realistic. He has to keep recalling them back everytime they leave his control. Also falling once just allows Sasuke search their memories and find jinwoo.
They don't even have to be that skilled to overwhelm him while not looking him in the eye because he's badly outnumbered here, also Jinwoo can directly control them, and if you look at some of the stuff he's done with his senses (particularly under his analytical prediction), you can see that on his page he's easily skilled enough to just not look at Sasuke's eyes. Finding Jinwoo was never the problem, its actually getting to him through hundreds, potentially even millions of people stronger than him that kneecaps Sasuke here.
5. We can. LS has exact values. Check and see yourself.
He doesn't have a quantifiable multiplier over his feat as a kid. So Jinwoo still has better lifting strength.
6. Even if that's the case he can still wipe out his H6B susanoo at anytime
He can still wipe out [thing he doesn't have as of Kabuto fight]
7. Do you know you can just dash forward and avoid every other person to go straight to your target? Do any of the shadows even have ftl travel speed to catch up with him?
Its hard to dash in a straight line with 10,000,000 people in the way. They aren't just gonna politely move aside and let Sasuke get to Jinwoo.
8. There's nothing jinwoo can do. He doesn't have the travel speed to run away from Sasuke. You'd argue better that he retreats to his domain everytime. Most of your arguments are stuff jinwoo never does in character. Jinwoo always leads his armies, not stand at the back and hide like you're arguing
Sasuke gets EE diffed, stat cliffed, bfr'd etc. Why would it be out of character for Jinwoo to not be an idiot and not risk getting put under Genjutsu and losing the fight?
Broski genjutsu is mind control. He ain't walking anywhere. Once he's under it jinwoo just does whatever the **** Sasuke wants him to do without even knowing he is under it.
Who said he was walking anywhere?
Also jinwoo doesn't have thought based EE. He has breath of destruction and EE by touch.
It works by focusing magic energy, they just so happen to be touching their opponent when that happens. If I'm wrong then that still isn't good for Sasuke because while it does mean Jinwoo doesn't outright stomp, he does just touch him and win.
Note: Sasuke susanoo can block EE. The part blocked gets erased but he can still block it and come out alive. He did this against the tso and I'm putting it out there Just in case
Post scans of his surviving getting EE'd
 
He has titans as shadows of which there are hundreds, who scale to the monarchs and are thereby 6-C and relativistic

My bad, they don't one-tap. That's still him being badly outnumbered and mildly outstated. Acting like they're fodder he can easily cut through is just wrong. Naruto being able to summon thousands against him (which is also something he never did as fair as I remember), is not the same as fighting 10,000,000 low godly regen users, many of which are actually just stronger than you. Susano'o is not High 6-B in the Kabuto fight and there is no stated multiplier so even with it we'd treat him as below stronger shadow soldiers and Jinwoo himself. Sasuke also will run out of stamina because of the pain from using Susano'o before the soldiers run out of regen.

Jinwoo heavily upscales the 6-C value, they don't have to be equal to Jinwoo to be 6-C

They don't even have to be that skilled to overwhelm him while not looking him in the eye because he's badly outnumbered here, also Jinwoo can directly control them, and if you look at some of the stuff he's done with his senses (particularly under his analytical prediction), you can see that on his page he's easily skilled enough to just not look at Sasuke's eyes. Finding Jinwoo was never the problem, its actually getting to him through hundreds, potentially even millions of people stronger than him that kneecaps Sasuke here.

He doesn't have a quantifiable multiplier over his feat as a kid. So Jinwoo still has better lifting strength.

He can still wipe out [thing he doesn't have as of Kabuto fight]

Its hard to dash in a straight line with 10,000,000 people in the way. They aren't just gonna politely move aside and let Sasuke get to Jinwoo.

Sasuke gets EE diffed, stat cliffed, bfr'd etc. Why would it be out of character for Jinwoo to not be an idiot and not risk getting put under Genjutsu and losing the fight?

Who said he was walking anywhere?

It works by focusing magic energy, they just so happen to be touching their opponent when that happens. If I'm wrong then that still isn't good for Sasuke because while it does mean Jinwoo doesn't outright stomp, he does just touch him and win.

Post scans of his surviving getting EE'd
1. Great so you established that 99% of the remaining shadow army can't actually hurt Sasuke. Only hundreds who can but are too slow to ever touch him (rel- ftl and higher reactions). Tbh you haven't proved they are even rel. Add to the skill difference between them and sasuke and yeah it would be like I said. Millions of ants that can't do nothing.

2. It's millions of city level characters at best trying to hurt Sasuke. They are thousands of times weaker than him. Sasuke would just ignore them. The few that can hurt him are way to slow to tag him and he can just pull out susanoo at any time. Idk why you're talking about kabuto fight. Read the key used, it's fourth shinobi war, His susanoo there is H6B and ftl. Honestly Sasuke just covers himself with susanoo and blitz them heading straight for jinwoo.

3. There are a few soldiers there that scale to 6c . Remove his generals and the titans, the rest are fodders. 99% of them don't do shit. Sasuke can literally just ignore them ..

4. Fighting an opponent head on and looking elsewhere the entire time is a ridiculously hard thing to do. Also Sasuke can just use illusion to trick jinwoo into looking directly at him , it's not that hard..

I also forgot to mention someone with MS can bypass they eye contact stuff and just use their chakra to directly cast genjutsu.

5. That's not what I'm saying. Class T is a range of values. Look at the exact value jinwoo scales to and look at Sasuke own

6. Why do you keep mentioning kabuto fight? That key is even currently missing in the profile. The key is when he fought obito.

7. He'd simply jump with his susanoo. He did a whole lot of that fighting obito in the air.

8. He can dodge the EE, it's only LS, and he can even block though susanoo takes the blow. Why would jinwoo hide? He resists Mind manipulation so in his head he should be fine against Sasuke. How would he know Sasuke got like 5layers?

9. What I'm saying is once he falls under genjutsu it's GG

10. it's touch based bro
11. In a minute
 
1. Great so you established that 99% of the remaining shadow army can't actually hurt Sasuke. Only hundreds who can but are too slow to ever touch him (rel- ftl and higher reactions). Tbh you haven't proved they are even rel. Add to the skill difference between them and sasuke and yeah it would be like I said. Millions of ants that can't do nothing.
Its speed of light with higher perceptions vs Relativistic and FTL with Shunshin and a bunch of unquantifiable amps, some of which he doesn't even have here.
2. It's millions of city level characters at best trying to hurt Sasuke. They are thousands of times weaker than him. Sasuke would just ignore them. The few that can hurt him are way to slow to tag him and he can just pull out susanoo at any time. Idk why you're talking about kabuto fight. Read the key used, it's fourth shinobi war, His susanoo there is H6B and ftl. Honestly Sasuke just covers himself with susanoo and blitz them heading straight for jinwoo.
Read the O.P fully, its specifically against Kabuto
3. There are a few soldiers there that scale to 6c . Remove his generals and the titans, the rest are fodders. 99% of them don't do shit. Sasuke can literally just ignore them ..
There are hundreds of titans, and probably more at that level. Millions of ants is not a pleasant thing either, they'd get in the way and restrict his movements.
4. Fighting an opponent head on and looking elsewhere the entire time is a ridiculously hard thing to do.
Looking not directly at their eyes? That's not that hard if you have 100+ other guys to back you up and huge EE blasts faster than Sasuke's physicals as well
Also Sasuke can just use illusion to trick jinwoo into looking directly at him , it's not that hard..
He'll use an illusion, to trick the guy into an illusion...
5. That's not what I'm saying. Class T is a range of values. Look at the exact value jinwoo scales to and look at Sasuke own
I did and Jinwoo's is higher
6. Why do you keep mentioning kabuto fight? That key is even currently missing in the profile. The key is when he fought obito.
OP specifies its against Kabuto
7. He'd simply jump with his susanoo. He did a whole lot of that fighting obito in the air.
Good thing he
a. doesn't have a susano'o you can jump with
b. Jinwoo's giants can also jump
8. He can dodge the EE, it's only LS, and he can even block though susanoo takes the blow.
Him blocking a TSO aimed at someone else is not the same as being able to counter EE
hy would jinwoo hide? He resists Mind manipulation so in his head he should be fine against Sasuke. How would he know Sasuke got like 5layers?
Why would he test it though? At worst he can let a Shadow Soldier test Sasuke's genjutsu and come to the conclusion it can affect him and avoid it from there.
10. it's touch based bro
Assuming you're right, that's only marginally better because what stops Jinwoo from sneaking him while he's occupied and simply erasing him? That seems far easier than Sasuke fighting through 100s of people relative to him and then Jinwoo staring into his eyes
I also forgot to mention someone with MS can bypass they eye contact stuff and just use their chakra to directly cast genjutsu.
Scans?
jinwoo doesn’t really use EE that much so idk why ppl bringing that up
Good thing he also one-shots because of how badly he himself upscales the value
 
moron is right hes just arguing it in a dumb way
Jin Woo's EE seems to be thought based EE which just EE's you, there is no dodging here. It's completely different to TSO

but the problem is he doesn't use that EE
 
A bunch of things That_Moron is listing, Jinwoo does not do them in character. The reality is that Jinwoo takes the frontline and gets GJ’ed
 
moron is right hes just arguing it in a dumb way
Jin Woo's EE seems to be thought based EE which just EE's you, there is no dodging here. It's completely different to TSO

but the problem is he doesn't use that EE
A bunch of things That_Moron is listing, Jinwoo does not do them in character. The reality is that Jinwoo takes the frontline and gets GJ’ed
So your win con for Sasuke is Jinwoo being an idiot? Like, he knows Sasuke has GJ, he wouldn't be eager to test that
 
so this entire fight jinwoo will not look into sasukes eyes while having no knowledge about sasukes genjutsu
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so this entire fight jinwoo will not look into sasukes eyes while having no knowledge about sasukes genjutsu
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He has minor knowledge, which means he'd know about one of Sasuke's primary abilities. If Jinwoo is unsure if it will work on him or not, he can test it with a shadow soldier and avoid Sasuke, or just one-shot him, or even wipe him form existence
 
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