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Why does this character have a profile ? He's only got 3 appearances (one of those is a cameo), barely has story relevance and most of his profile is handbook statements

1. Upgrade
While his handbook page says that his claim to have laid waste to an entire star system (which by the way, he never states that in his only two appearances up to when the handbook was published) suggests his power can initiate a chain reaction of exponentially increasing destruction, it also says that his destructive and absorptive potential is theoretically infinite and the more energy he absorbs the greater his physical and psionic powers become

There are also other claims of the Invincible universe being infinite, which he was planning to destroy to reshape it

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In short, upgrade Omnipotus' peak to "...up to High 3-A" over being able to absorb infinite energy and use it to completely destroy universes and reshape them
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2. Scaling
The true purpose of this CRT

Omnipotus' base is currently scaling to Low 5-B over being completely unaffected by Tech Jacket's blasts, which could hurt Kregg, who's at least comparable to Nolan and Thaedus

The issue with this is that it can't quite be his base since, due to how his powers work, literally the moment he stepped in the Invincible universe he started absorbing energy, and he keeps getting stronger throughout the fight with his flesh even growing back to show his increase in power

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This isn't shortly after his arrival or something like that by the way, but the nth step in a larger plan to stop him. As the dialogue between Robot and Zack implies and the handbook confirms, prior to this they infiltrated the warp vessel to steal the blueprints for the warp key. With a chain of events that would roughly go like Omnipotus arriving and causing havoc, the GDA being notified and assessing the situation, forming a plan with all the heroes, infiltrating the warp ship, stealing the designs for the warp key and then building it...yeah Omnipotus spent quite some time in the Invincible universe

Best we have is this brief cameo in #33, where he's back to being all skull and damaging Post-Thraxa Mark, but with all the light works in the background who's to say it isn't because of the energy he's using
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Why does he have two separate keys anyway ? His psionic powers are intrinsically connected to his physical statistics. It should be all one and going with the above it would be: "Varies. At least High 6-B, up to High 3-A"

However, Omnipotus' scaling doesn't end there as he'd comeback way later in the story

Omnipotus returns in Invincible #87 and going by statements he's impossibly stronger than before, paired with the fact he even grew his eyes back to hammer down how powerful he's become
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If in less than a day he grew strong enough to be unfazed by Tech Jacket's attacks, with several months of preparation he would be unbelievably above the value Middle of Series/Viltrumite characters characters would scale to, and then Dinosaurus one-shots him, who then gets pummeled by Mark

Like, this is an insane scaling chain we would have to structure plenty of profiles around if we were to go with it. Currently, it'd look something like this:

1.373 zettatons = Tech Jacket << Omnipotus' First Appearance <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Omnipotus' Final Appearance << Dinosaurus < Invincible (Post-Viltrumite War) [New key] = Robot (Titanium Volcanic Armor) = Omni-Man (Post-Viltrumite War) [New key] << Allen the Alien (First Evolution) << Thragg (Pre-Timeskip) = Battle Beast

Personally, I don't think it was intended to be all:
Hell, his profile still says:
However, he was easily killed by Dinosaurus making higher scaling questionable
Of course, this is all assuming Zack didn't get any stronger from that fight til the Viltrumite War, which going by how the Tech Jacket works is possible.
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But even then, it's not like he has a "Beginning of Series" key, and the only feat from that time he has is still pending evaluation (also which, no matter how you look at it, is much stronger than the current Viltrum calc), and yet we still wouldn't have any concrete multiplier of how much stronger he would've gotten if we were to go with that. You could dismiss all this as outliers but frankly everything about this character is outlier-ish lol

As I see it, the only ways to go about this are:

A. Dismiss Omnipotus' last appearance as an outlier
The only one who would currently be notably affected by this is Dinosaurus but even then he isn't losing much. There's him drawing blood from Mark, Cecil reaffirming he can hold his own against Invincible, damaging an Invincible Reaniman, Allen's statement that he isn't a lightweight and restraining Oliver.

Going with this options leads to other two:
  • A-1. Proposed scaling above: Varies. At least High 6-B, up to High 3-A
    • Qawsedf234, Godernet (Only 3-A)
  • A-2. Scale him in a vaccum (if lower ends are deemed too inconsistent): Varies, up to High 3-A
B. Implement the scaling chain anyway
It'd have to go in the "Explations" section of the verse as described above and the mentioned profiles should be worded to address it accordingly
 
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I mean, it could be arithmetic and the issue still remains
The issue is there's no proof his energy absorption is such a multiplier that it precludes having a base level. The only on-screen feats show he never left the range of small planet level characters.
Best we have is this brief cameo in #33
This in particular goes against the point because he was banished back to his destroyed universe's void, and therefore had nothing to consume.
 
The issue is there's no proof his energy absorption is such a multiplier that it precludes having a base level. The only on-screen feats show he never left the range of small planet level characters.

This in particular goes against the point because he was banished back to his destroyed universe's void, and therefore had nothing to consume.
Mark isn't close to Low 5-B characters at that point, also what I'm saying is he went back already having absorbed plenty of energy and most of his face's skin grown back to then looking much more depleted, so he must've used some lost some of it either passively or while beating up Mark
 
How did the universe die from this lack of energy if it's infinite?

The space of the universe may even be infinite, but it's clearly not infinite in matter, since the energy from Omnipotus' native universe was running out, and this energy comes from the matter that he destroys.

Conclusion: The universe is H3-A but Omnipotus does not scale to that, since the matter is finite.
Tier High 3-A (High Universe level):

Characters or objects that demonstrate an infinite amount of energy on a 3-D scale, such as creating or destroying infinite mass, or those who can affect an infinite 3-D space.
 
How did the universe die from this lack of energy if it's infinite?

The space of the universe may even be infinite, but it's clearly not infinite in matter, since the energy from Omnipotus' native universe was running out, and this energy comes from the matter that he destroys.

Conclusion: The universe is H3-A but Omnipotus does not scale to that, since the matter is finite.
It'd just add that to how outlier-ish his second appearance is since this is pretty much a retcon, he originally left his home universe because he drained it all himself and used that to destroy everything (what we see of it is just a void), not because it was in the process of dying like it's implied here
 
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It'd just add that to how outlier-ish his second appearance is since this is pretty much a retcon, he originally left his home universe explicitly because he destroyed everything in it and didn't have more to feed on
*All physical matter, his destruction is specifically in relation to physical matter.

By your logic he wouldn't even be H3-A but L2-C.

Low 2-C: Universe level+​

Characters or objects whose power is uncountably infinitely greater than the prior tiers. That is to say, they can significantly affect, create and/or destroy higher-dimensional structures that exceed lesser objects by an uncountably infinite margin. An example of this is 4-dimensional spacetime continuums of universal size, but this can be generalized to any 4-dimensional structure of a similar scope.
 
*All physical matter, his destruction is specifically in relation to physical matter.

By your logic he wouldn't even be H3-A but L2-C.
That was actually mentioned in the discussion thread and the answer is no:
He was also sent back to his home universe after his first appearance, so it wouldn't make sense that he destroyed the entire timeline of his own universe because then he wouldn't have a universe to go back to.
 
That was actually mentioned in the discussion thread and the answer is no:
You clearly don't understand what I'm saying. Your logic is that he's H3-A because he destroyed everything. You just proved that he didn't destroy everything.

His destruction is specifically in relation to matter and the matter is finite for the reasons I already said, so he is not H3-A.
Tier High 3-A (High Universe level):

Characters or objects that demonstrate an infinite amount of energy on a 3-D scale, such as creating or destroying infinite mass, or those who can affect an infinite 3-D space.
 
I disagree.

''reshaping worlds'' is virtually meaningless as it's very vague. No time-frame given, no indication of what this reffers to as well. Not to mention the full quote is ''I am the shaper of worlds. I create life where there is none. I create death where there is life.'' The handbook further states that what Omnipotus does is reshape the molecules of matter to change it's properties and create artificial life. So this likely just reffers to him reshaping societies, and it's done very slowly too.

As for his ''infinite potential'', just because he has infinite potential does not mean we should give him an ''up to 3-A'' key, since he never managed to gain that much power in his lifetime. It'd just be confusing. He spent months draining a portion of Mark's world of energy, which could be a planet, a star system, a galaxy, who knows. But this tells us that in months, Omnipotus couldn't even drain a portion of the world.

Since I think it's better to write character profiles based on their actual power that they've realized and not based on what-ifs, I think it'd be better as ''At least high 6-B, can grow stronger by absorbing energy''.
 
I disagree.

''reshaping worlds'' is virtually meaningless as it's very vague. No time-frame given, no indication of what this reffers to as well. Not to mention the full quote is ''I am the shaper of worlds. I create life where there is none. I create death where there is life.'' The handbook further states that what Omnipotus does is reshape the molecules of matter to change it's properties and create artificial life. So this likely just reffers to him reshaping societies, and it's done very slowly too.

As for his ''infinite potential'', just because he has infinite potential does not mean we should give him an ''up to 3-A'' key, since he never managed to gain that much power in his lifetime. It'd just be confusing. He spent months draining a portion of Mark's world of energy, which could be a planet, a star system, a galaxy, who knows. But this tells us that in months, Omnipotus couldn't even drain a portion of the world.

Since I think it's better to write character profiles based on their actual power that they've realized and not based on what-ifs, I think it'd be better as ''At least high 6-B, can grow stronger by absorbing energy''.
I mean, I don't disagree with the first part, but I'm not arguing for any of that

We know for a fact he can completely destroy universes, that's why he even travels to the Invincible one as there's nothing left on his, that's why he is described as a predator on a cosmic scale and his power is stated to be unlimited, it's his whole deal. If you want to point out how he never comes close to that on-screen that has more to do with him being one of the most parody characters of the series, which is why he has so few appearances and most of his P&A rely on handbook statements
 
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