Garou vs Reinhard (15-5-1)

[MrTayman616]

Also, I don't see how Garou RE, or adaptation, will work when he gets one tapped with Reinhard's spatial cut.

Reinhard can't use it. He lacks a sword.

He's incapable of using both EE and spatial cut.

 

[Phoenks]

Reinhard can avoid Garou’s attacks, since Rain Dodge lets him evade even strikes that should be impossible to dodge.

Nope. Not a logical thing so it is unusable as a supporting statement here. Not an argument.

His protections like First Sight, Second Attack, and Forthcoming allow him to instinctively counter martial arts techniques without needing prior knowledge.

No Limits Fallacy as it has not be addressed what the limitations of the skills in Re:Zero have to offer relative to One-Punch Man's feats.

Garou, by contrast, depends on AD and RE to push his stats high enough to blitz Reinhard’s perception, but this is complicated by the fact that even an untrained child like Emilia could still react to perception-blitzing danmaku. While Garou’s growth rate is faster, Reinhard also grows during battle...

Garou's AD is so much faster than Reinhard's that the latter is irrelevant.

Garou can also react and predict perception blitzing attacks, such as Saitama's.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Btw is this start of Saitama Fight Garou or Four Armed Winged Garou who gets even more shit? Also does Garou have his optional regen buff?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Reinhard can't use it. He lacks a sword.

Here is where our understanding differs. He could "likely" (since this comes from former debates), use a spoon or stick.

But sure, let's go with it being "impossible", he can still pretty much get a knife or sword if lucky, since they are in the middle of New York.

So yeah, I find that argument lacking, unless we switch to a location without humans.

He's incapable of using both EE and spatial cut.

Now this is just wrong. He can use it with a normal sword. Something that was actually proven earlier in the thread.

It's only specifically the Dragon Sword that is restricted, not his abilities with swords.

 

[MrTayman616]

Here is where our understanding differs. He could "likely" (since this comes from former debates), use a spoon or stick.

But sure, let's go with it being "impossible", he can still pretty much get a knife or sword if lucky, since they are in the middle of New York.

So yeah, I find that argument lacking, unless we switch to a location without humans.

Spoon and stick at most "implied" for him at that level. Sword requirement is mostly shown. Even by other characters like Cecilus and statements by Alderaban.

He could find a sword in New York city though, it is possible. Though it kinda requires the destruction of buildings etc since they'd need to enter. Which creates a weird situation since both of them care about the humans.

Now this is just wrong. He can use it with a normal sword. Something that was actually proven earlier in the thread.

It's only specifically the Dragon Sword that is restricted, not his abilities with swords.

It's the spatial cut, not EE.

Or you misunderstood me like i said "he can't use spatial cut without Dragon Sword Reid"? In that case i just meant he doesn't have a sword aka the reason why he can't use it.

 

[Epiccheev]

Reinhard can't use it. He lacks

Can't he just let his nails grow and use them as a slashing weapon or smth?

 

[MrTayman616]

Can't he just let his nails grow and use them as a slashing weapon or smth?

But then his nails will disappear like the swords, which we know nails hurt a lot when they're...

 

[karo_senpaii]

The same way if the author says "this is the concept of something" , you'd still need to check if it's conceptual manipulation by wiki standards for you to index it as such is the same way you'd need to check if "dodging rain" is a skill feat by wiki standards.

Guess what? It will not and can never be a skill feat. Just because the author calls something"skill" doesn't mean we would index and argue it as such here. Go and argue about logic manipulation, don't come here and argue blindly as if we can't use our brains

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

He could find a sword in New York city though, it is possible. Though it kinda requires the destruction of buildings etc since they'd need to enter. Which creates a weird situation since both of them care about the humans.

Yeah, while both of them care for human lives, I find it hard to believe all houses will have people inside them, and also, Reinhard doesn't require a "sword" necessarily, any kind of "blade" will do, a normal kitchen knife will be more than enough. (But yeah, it does create a weird situation.)

Now, how likely is it for Reinhard to go into an empty house and find a blade? Well, that is up to his intuition (I will leave that debate to the supporters...)

It's the spatial cut, not EE.

Never claimed it, but it should still be a wincon, no?

Or you misunderstood me like i said "he can't use spatial cut without Dragon Sword Reid"? In that case i just meant he doesn't have a sword aka the reason why he can't use it.

Not gonna lie, you worded that statement badly, and likely was misunderstood by most, or my reading comprehension is bad. Either option is possible.

 

[MrTayman616]

Now, how likely is it for Reinhard to go into an empty house and find a blade? Well, that is up to his intuition (I will leave that debate to the supporters...)

But would he do it like at the beginning that since he's actually initially superior?

Never claimed it, but it should still be a wincon, no?

Spatial cut can be a wincon if he were to find a sword or etc.

Though i don't think they'll break through a house or fight seriously in a location with humans. I find it more likely that the area of the fight will change while they fight, like how it happened in Saitama vs Garou(monster form). (Also this version of Garou has shown high DC with most of his attacks, making it more likely)

Not gonna lie, you worded that statement badly, and likely was misunderstood by most, or my reading comprehension is bad. Either option is possible.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

But would he do it like at the beginning that since he's actually initially superior?

I personally find it likely, but again, not gonna personally debate is intuition.
Also, if let's say they fight, they would more than likely destroy houses, and that would also give an opportunity for him to find one.

Spatial cut can be a wincon if he were to find a sword or etc.

Good, we agree here.

Though i don't think they'll break through a house or fight seriously in a location with humans. I find it more likely that the area of the fight will change while they fight, like how it happened in Saitama vs Garou(monster form). (Also this version of Garou has shown high DC with most of his attacks)

My man, answered a point I had before I wrote it.

But yeah, my previous point still stands, and if Garou starts attacking, it would more than likely destroy buildings ,no?

 

[MrTayman616]

I personally find it likely, but again, not gonna personally debate is intuition.
Also, if let's say they fight, they would more than likely destroy houses, and that would also give an opportunity for him to find one.

Human factor. Why would houses expected to be empty? There is no error signal or anything for normal humans.

Good, we agree here.

No one ever disagreed with it.

I just don't even think he'd get a moment to use it. He starts as initially stronger, and Garou's RE would make a huge difference before something like that happens at all.

But yeah, my previous point still stands, and if Garou starts attacking, it would more than likely destroy buildings ,no?

Existence of humans doesn't really allow it.

 

[First_Witch]

Are people still talking about rain dodging.

Its not a skill feat, stop trying.

It also objectivly happened, its a ability that Reinhard has. So Garou has to be able to hit people that can dodge rain.

 

[Epiccheev]

What not listening to grandma and bringing an umbrella does to a mf

 

[Kachon123]

Are people still talking about rain dodging.

Its not a skill feat, stop trying.

One Piece swordsmen victim

 

[Gamecooob]

is this ******* raindodging the highest bar in fiction to pass, in order to compete with Reinhard?

I dunno man, I have a hunch that Garou has some nice skill feats & upscaling of his own that could match something like that, OPM supporters know better than me tho

 

[First_Witch]

One Piece swordsmen victim

I get that this is a joke and all, but I know there are goobers out there who take you seriously:

The difference between this and Reinhards nonsense is that one is "dodging" it, the other is actively counteracting it (as implied by the fact that hes knocking away the spiked balls.). One is physically impossible even if he was so fast the drops appeared as standing still, the other isn't, especially with enough speed.

 

[Kachon123]

is this ******* raindodging the highest bar in fiction to pass, in order to compete with Reinhard?

I dunno man, I have a hunch that Garou has some nice skill feats & upscaling of his own that could match something like that, OPM supporters know better than me tho

I'd say countering and predicting 33333 individual danmaku attacks with their eyes closed is better.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

@Kachon123 @Phoenks I assume you two are voting for Garou?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

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I am curious what your thoughts are regarding the current arguments, and if you are leaning one way?

 

[Phoenks]

@Kachon123 @Phoenks I assume you two are voting for Garou?

I am not voting for anyone atm, because despite there being 5 pages, Re: Zero supporters have not seriously engaged in any discussion about the skill of their combatant, which is what matters here.

 

[MrTayman616]

I currently vote Garou as i still didn't get an answer for what Reinhard will do before Garou evolves.

This version of Garou gets explosive growth instantly just because he gets angry, enough to blitz and one shot people who're equal to him.

Considering his dur neg attacks, he should be able to incapacitate him. (I'm just waiting the chapter where we'll see he can't get knocked up or something no matter the damage because of a divine protection)

 

[Lort15]

Probability manipulation

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I am curious what your thoughts are regarding the current arguments, and if you are leaning one way?

Im just here to watch the fireworks, nothing more.

I gotta say though, I agree with karo_senpai and First Witch that rain-dodging isn’t really a skill feat you can use to claim “my character is more skilled than yours.” Same with “he can dodge a room blowing up without exiting said room”. At that point its just a form of reality warping masked as skill. Quantifiable skills feats are still grounded in reality somewhat, grounded in something we can compare. They have some connection to how things work IRL, even if sometimes loosely.

But this doesn't. It has nothing to go off of to be compared to other skill feats, because it makes no sense physically, not even loosely, and because you cant justify the feat with anything but reality warping. Like its just not something physical anymore.

 

[Phoenks]

It's not a matter of what I think in this case; it's a matter of it being objectively illogical because the measurements don't add up. Which is why it shouldn't be used. It is practically magic.

If you want real feats for Garou, just off the top of my head.

He scales immensely above people like Iaian, who can predict thousands of attacks simultaneously with his eyes closed by just sensing their murderous intent. He's able to predict multiple attacks into the future even against opponents like Saitama, whose speed is such that he'd effortlessly blitz Garou otherwise. He explicitly reads things like line of sight, center of gravity, posture, etc in order to simulate and anticipate a multitude of potential movements.

He is obviously known for his copying ability. He's able to copy the techniques of other martial arts masters like Bang & Bomb instantaneously, including secret arts that not even they could master, in an instant. He's so proficient that he can do such a thing in his sleep. His copied techniques surpass their originals pretty much instantly and are also absorbed into his composited martial art.

And yeah again his instinctive reactions is such that his body can fight against master martial artists in the OPM verse on autopilot while he's unconscious. With said martial artist possessing similar degrees of analytical prediction to himself.

Going to repost this.

What does Reinhard have going for him in similar categories? Summary, please. I would rather not read a bible.

 

[Huesito88]

Going to repost this.

What does Reinhard have going for him in similar categories? Summary, please. I would rather not read a bible.

In other words 20 words or less?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Can we get Reinhard to fight the guy who can dodge timestop with pure skill

Unless you turn Reinhard into a 7-C or god forbid an 8-C, I'm afraid you won't be doing that.

On the other end though: Yeah Reinhard's arguments boil down to "Well, he'll dodge everything!" "Is there proof for this being legit in the case of clear anti-feats?" "DO YOU DARE QUESTION ME?!"

Garou FRA.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Guurou FRA

 

[GodzillavsRayquaza]

I’m also voting for the Human Monster fra. Adapt and blitz go brrrrr.

 

[Tatsumi504]

No way is this becoming a FRA train for Garou. I don't agree with re: zero skill slop but still... on another note, does the verse seriously not have any other skill feats besides things that are literally impossible to be wanked as skill?

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Reinhard doesn't have like, Low Godly resurrection or something? How would Garou kill him?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Reinhard doesn't have like, Low Godly resurrection or something? How would Garou kill him?

Garou doesn't kill humans. He'll go for the KO.

 

[DavidTPPM]

I'd say countering and predicting 33333 individual danmaku attacks with their eyes closed is better.

Rain dodging is so ass as a dodging feat ngl.
Rain is extremely slow (about average human level) and travels in a straight line.
Dodging it for someone with superhuman speed is like dodging stationary dots.

The only impressive thing it means is that he can fit his body into extremely small spaces where a body of his size should not actually have room to fit in. But that doesn't help him deal with analytical prediction or superhuman accuracy.

Tho 33333 hair strands feat is also a bit ass ngl

 

[DaReaperMan]

No way is this becoming a FRA train for Garou. I don't agree with re: zero skill slop but still... on another note, does the verse seriously not have any other skill feats besides things that are literally impossible to be wanked as skill?

It has solid feats IIRC, thing is you're fighting a guy who requires you to be good at using Weapons instead of fists, cause Garou copies skill and adapts it to git guder

 

[Epiccheev]

Better start discussing hax, since the skill discussion is not getting very far.

 

[MrTayman616]

Better start discussing hax, since the skill discussion is not getting very far.

Reinhard can see the difference between salt and sugar.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Better start discussing hax, since the skill discussion is not getting very far.

Reinhard has a divine protection that makes him very skilled in bed

 

[Huesito88]

Reinhard has a divine protection that makes him very skilled in bed

Reinharder mode won't be useful here

 

[Epiccheev]

Reinhard has a divine protection that makes him very skilled in bed

Garou has killed monsters with his crotch before.

 

[Vietthai96]

Can we get Reinhard to fight the guy who can dodge timestop with pure skill

What?, dodge timestop with pure skill?, where?