Psykos and Garou additional abilities + Intelligence upgrade and revamp

[Farfetchedx]

Gyoro Gyoro
Genius Intelligence
Preparation (Prepared in advance to lure the heroes into the Monsters Association’s base. Made matchups against the S-Class heroes based on battle compatibility. Placed several relay points to extend her range)
Regeneration (Low-Mid; Regenerated her arm)
Self-Destruction (Has drones that can self-destruct)
Transformation, Enhanced Senses & Statistics Amplification (Can transform into her multi-eyed form and unleash her true power)
Extrasensory Perception (Detected one of Child Emperor's scouting bots from deep within the Monster Association base before it had even arrived. Sensed an intruder entering the base the moment they stepped inside, deducing it was a living organism and pinpointing its approximate location. Can assess the strength of others)
Sealing (She can trap others within a psychic forcefield and compress it, reducing them to a meat cube)
Aura (Radiates an aura around her body. Objects manipulated by her are also engulfed in this aura)
Immunity to Pain Manipulation (Meat puppets are unable feel pain)

Psykos
All previous abilities, except Pain Immunity, Regeneration, and Transformation
Limited Body Puppetry (Gyoro Gyoro was merely a puppet created and controlled by Psykos)
Power Mimicry (Replicated Tatsumaki's decoy technique)
Statistics Amplification with serum
Resistance to:
Mind & Soul Corruption, Mind & Soul Destruction and Absorption (Type 1; Resisted having her soul/mind corrupted and destroyed, as well as her body absorbed by Orochi)
Sleep Inducement (Resisted sleep medication)

Merged Psykos
Vehicle Mastery (Showed exceptional skills in flying a jet)
Unconventional Attack Reflection (Psykos swapped the inside and outside of Tatsumaki’s barrier, turning Tatsumaki’s own power against her while simultaneously injecting her own energy to amplify the crushing effect)
Smoke Manipulation (Dispersed a thick cloud of smoke to conceal her presence)
Immortality (Type 3; Can survive having her insides blown out. Regenerated from her body being twisted like a tornado)
Large Size (Type 2, potentially 5 overtime) (Was planning to become the Earth itself through absorption)
Multiple Selves (All Type; Shares a body with Orochi)
Body Control

• Technology manipulation, Weapon Creation, and Shape Shifting (Transformed into a jet capable of shooting homing missiles. Shapeshift into different creatures. Weaponized Orochi's cells to shoot lasers and created large spears/blades)

Garou
Fusionism (Can combine numerous techniques into his own style)
Limited Empowerment (Due to the nature of their attacks being similar, His and Metal Bat’s technique aligned into a combined move and boosted each others power)(Metal Bat would get this as well)

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Garou and Psykos intelligence sections are lacking, so I created more detailed versions.

EG for Psykos + Intelligence Revamp
A Genius rating for her intelligence was accepted here, but never applied. That said, I think her feats are EG worthy. She's shown to have knowledge that surpasses the human limitations in multiple fields of science: biology, chemistry, psychic studies, strategic planning, engineering etc.

Psykos' Intelligence section

My Revamp

Garou Intelligence Revamp
I was planning to give Garou an "Extraordinary Genius in Combat" rating, but I recently found out that we no longer give combat intelligence ratings(lame), so I'll just attempt to revamp his intelligence section

Gaou's Intelligence Section

My Revamp

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Agree: @ActuallySpaceMan42, @FinePoint, @DarkDragonMedeus

Disagree:

Neutral: @DarkDragonMedeus(EG intelligence for Psykos)

 

[MrTayman616]

Gyoro Gyoro
Genius Intelligence
Preparation (Prepared in advance to lure the heroes into the Monsters Association’s base. Made matchups against the S-Class heroes based on battle compatibility. Placed several relay points to extend her range)
Regeneration (Low-Mid; Regenerated her arm)
Self-Destruction (Has drones that can self-destruct)
Transformation, Enhanced Senses & Statistics Amplification (Can transform into her multi-eyed form and unleash her true power)
Extrasensory Perception (Detected one of Child Emperor's scouting bots from deep within the Monster Association base before it had even arrived. Sensed an intruder entering the base the moment they stepped inside, deducing it was a living organism and pinpointing its approximate location. Can assess the strength of others)
Sealing (She can trap others within a psychic forcefield and compress it, reducing them to a meat cube)
Aura (Radiates an aura around her body. Objects manipulated by her are also engulfed in this aura)
Immunity to Pain Manipulation (Meat puppets are unable feel pain)

Psykos
All previous abilities, except Pain Immunity, Regeneration, and Transformation
Body Puppetry (Gyoro Gyoro was merely a puppet created and controlled by Psykos)
Power Mimicry (Replicated Tatsumaki's decoy technique)
Statistics Amplification with serum
Resistance to:
Mind Corruption, Soul Destruction and Absorption (Type 2; Resisted having her soul/mind corrupted and destroyed, as well as her body absorbed by Orochi)
Sleep Inducement (Resisted sleep medication)

Merged Psykos
Vehicle Mastery (Showed exceptional skills in flying a jet)
Unconventional Attack Reflection (Psykos swapped the inside and outside of Tatsumaki’s barrier, turning Tatsumaki’s own power against her while simultaneously injecting her own energy to amplify the crushing effect)
Smoke Manipulation (Dispersed a thick cloud of smoke to conceal her presence)
Immortality (Type 3)
Large Size (Type 2, potentially 5 overtime) (Was planning to become the Earth itself through absorption)
Multiple Selves (Type 3; Shares a body with Orochi)
Memory Manipulation (Gained Orochi’s memories after merging with him)
Body Control

• Technology manipulation, Weapon Creation, and Shape Shifting (Transformed into a jet capable of shooting homing missiles. Shapeshift into a creature. Weaponized Orochi's cells to shoot lasers and created large spears/blades)

Garou
Fusionism (Can combine numerous techniques into his own style)
Empowerment (Due to the nature of their attacks being similar, His and Metal Bat’s technique aligned into a combined move and boosted each others power)(Metal Bat would get this as well)
Social Influence (Charisma: Made Tareo idolize him)

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Garou and Psykos intelligence sections are lacking, so I created more detailed versions.

Almost everything looks fine imo.

Garou:
Garou's fist being "beyond timing" in his intelligence section is wrong. He says distance is irrelevant to his fists and that they are unavoidable. The cubari version is translated wrong.

Edit:

"While in an unconscious state, he copied Bomb’s Fist of Whirling Wind, Slashing Steel, and canceled it out with his own"

It is wrong. Garou had copied his technique way before the fight, while he was awake.

Despite being blessed with martial arts talent, these techniques took Bang and Bomb decades to master

I mean, it isn't that comparable here since they created the techniques. Not that it took them that much time to learn it but to create them. Bang's usage of his technique is superior to Garou's.

His perception allows him to perceive comparable attacks in slow motion and visualize images of similar attacks before reacting to them.

None of them were comparable to Garou at all. Not even close, Garou was strong enough to one shot a "demon level" at that point.

His skill level advanced so quickly that he could deflect Darkshine’s full power with just his thumb, despite being unable to stop a suppressed Darkshine with both arms shortly before, due to a lack of skill.

While his skill level did get more advanced, so did his strength. Garou was far inferior in strength and lacked the strength to deflect it. (Though he'd still be able to do it if he had the skill as well). Just not sure saying "his skill increase" was the cause is really true here.

By this point, He also far eclipsed characters who could cut between atoms and deflect blitz-tier, energy-based danmaku attacks.

Atomic Samurai's statement of "cutting between atoms" isn't accepted.

These are the things i consider wrong.

Other than that, overall, i think the way it is written might not be suitable for "intelligence" section.
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Garou shouldn't have Social Influence from this as their relationship happened in a different way

Empowerment works ig? dunno how it affects the profile as it requires teamwork in some way.

Psykorochi:
It's not memory manipulation.

Multiple selves should apply for all types here.

Psykos:
Her resistance to mind and soul is in willpower page. (Also, mind = soul in opm, so it's corruption and destruction for both)

Edit: Also it's Corruption type 1 as it does require physical interaction.

Sorry i couldn't link anything etc. using my phone rn.

 

[Farfetchedx]

Garou:
Garou's fist being "beyond timing" in his intelligence section is wrong. He says distance is irrelevant to his fists and that they are unavoidable. The cubari version is translated wrong.

Edit: Also it's Corruption type 1 as it does require physical interaction.

Fixed

Multiple selves should apply for all types here.

Shouldn't Type 3 include the rest, since every organism is usually considered to have a soul and mind

Psykos:
Her resistance to mind and soul is in willpower page.

I think it should still be listed under their pages, like fubuki and child empeor's. Its only on the Willpower page for those who haven't shown it, but should scale to it

so it's corruption and destruction for both)

That's what I said

Garou shouldn't have Social Influence from this as their relationship happened in a different way

Psykorochi:
It's not memory manipulation.

Yeah I think you're right about these

 

[MrTayman616]

That's what I said

No, i mean mind=soul. mind and soul corruption + mind and soul destruction.

Fixed

I also edited it later after reading Garou's intelligence sandbox.

Edit:

This one

Shouldn't Type 3 include the rest, since every organism is usually considered to have a soul and mind

I don't think so. Some type 3 exist in a weird state etc. Even the way they share the body can affect it. Saying Multiple selves (all types) should be fine.

 

[Farfetchedx]

No, i mean mind=soul. mind and soul corruption + mind and soul destruction.

Bro that's literally what it's saying

I don't think so. Some type 3 exist in a weird state etc. Even the way they share the body can affect it. Saying Multiple selves (all types) should be fine.

Sure

It is wrong.

How is it wrong? He still copied it within that moment

Garou had copied his technique way before the fight, while he was awake.

I know, but it was obviously not equal to this version. The focus is that he replicated it on Bomb's level and canceled out Bomb's version

I mean, it isn't that comparable here since they created the techniques. Not that it took them that much time to learn it but to create them. Bang's usage of his technique is superior to Garou's.

It wasn't meant to be a direct comparison, just a way of showing Garou's growth. But yeah, it could've been worded better

It's changed to this:

While Bang and Bomb spent decades creating and perfecting their arts, Garou’s abnormal talent lets him grasp, copy, and even evolve their techniques almost instantly.

None of them were comparable to Garou at all. Not even close, Garou was strong enough to one shot a "demon level" at that point.

He got hit by one of their attacks, and Garou usually evades off guarded attacks. The same monster can also react to Rover's blast from a pretty close distance. The same attack that Garou couldn't evade. None of them being comparable to Garou would mean that he should be able to blitz them, and blitz attacks they're capable of reacting to

While his skill level did get more advanced, so did his strength. Garou was far inferior in strength and lacked the strength to deflect it. (Though he'd still be able to do it if he had the skill as well). Just not sure saying "his skill increase" was the cause is really true here.

I'm confused, you're saying he lacked the strength to do it, while also saying he could've done if he just had the skill. Also, the only thing that was emphasized was his lack of skill(by Darkshine comparing him to bang), not his strength.

Atomic Samurai's statement of "cutting between atoms" isn't accepted.

That wasn't about Atomic Samurai, its about Nichirin.

 

[MrTayman616]

Bro that's literally what it's saying

The explanation does, not the ability section "Mind Corruption, Soul Destruction"

How is it wrong? He still copied it within that moment

No. Garou copied the technique way before that. He copied it while he was awake.

I know, but it was obviously not equal to this version. The focus is that he replicated it on Bomb's level and canceled out Bomb's version

That still doesn't make it "he copied it at that moment while sleeping". Since he doesn't copy the same technique over and over to use it.

I'm confused, you're saying he lacked the strength to do it, while also saying he could've done if he just had the skill. Also, the only thing that was emphasized was his lack of skill(by Darkshine comparing him to bang), not his strength.

What i meant is it's not "only" skill issue there.

The attack was too powerful. Garou has to be at some level of strength to reflect the attack, he wasn't at that level at that point. So he lacks both strength and skill.

We know his strength reached equal to superior level to Darkshine. But we also know his skills got better via narrative. So it's a case of both.

That wasn't about Atomic Samurai, its about Nichirin.

It wasn't atoms but cells.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Sealing (She can trap others within a psychic forcefield and compress it, reducing them to a meat cube)

Sealing is said to usually be duraneg while GG just crushes the opponent in a ball so I'd say it should be "minor sealing" or something on those lines.

Psykos
All previous abilities, except Pain Immunity, Regeneration, and Transformation
Body Puppetry (Gyoro Gyoro was merely a puppet created and controlled by Psykos)

Wouldn't this be limited BP since she only did it to a meat puppet she created?

Mind Corruption, Soul Destruction and Absorption (Type 1; Resisted having her soul/mind corrupted and destroyed, as well as her body absorbed by Orochi)
Sleep Inducement (Resisted sleep medication)

Aren't these already on her profile? She had OPM supernatural willpower and these are in there iirc.

Merged Psykos
Vehicle Mastery (Showed exceptional skills in flying a jet)

Haha

Immortality (Type 3)

Should probably add reasoning here ngl.

Empowerment (Due to the nature of their attacks being similar, His and Metal Bat’s technique aligned into a combined move and boosted each others power)(Metal Bat would get this as well)

Should be limited as it can only be achieved in a duo situation.

EG for Psykos + Intelligence Revamp
A Genius rating for her intelligence was accepted here, but never applied. That said, I think her feats are EG worthy. She's shown to have knowledge that surpasses the human limitations in multiple fields of science: biology, chemistry, psychic studies, strategic planning, engineering etc.

Psykos' Intelligence section

My Revamp

Idk if genius wouldn't already cover this but I can definitely see EG as well.

Garou Intelligence Revamp
I was planning to give Garou an "Extraordinary Genius in Combat" rating, but I recently found out that we no longer give combat intelligence ratings(lame), so I'll just attempt to revamp his intelligence section

Gaou's Intelligence Section

My Revamp

Very pretty but it feels a bit bloated. You could definitely cut out a good chunk without sacrificing any important substance. Things like precision when striking are not exactly intelligence related I think.

 

[Farfetchedx]

The explanation does, not the ability section "Mind Corruption, Soul Destruction"

Oh

That still doesn't make it "he copied it at that moment while sleeping". Since he doesn't copy the same technique over and over to use it.

I see what you're saying.
Something like this should work:

While in an unconscious state, he demonstrated complete mastery over Bomb’s Fist of Whirling Wind, Slashing Steel by canceling it out with his own

Wouldn't this be limited BP since she only did it to a meat puppet she created?

I think so

Aren't these already on her profile? She had OPM supernatural willpower and these are in there iirc.

I think it should still be listed under their pages, like fubuki and child empeor's. Its only on the Willpower page for those who haven't shown it, but should scale to it

Should be limited as it can only be achieved in a duo situation.

Yeah

 

[Farfetchedx]

Bump

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Abilities all seem good.

 

[FinePoint]

Gyoro Gyoro
Genius Intelligence

Reason?

Preparation (Prepared in advance to lure the heroes into the Monsters Association’s base. Made matchups against the S-Class heroes based on battle compatibility. Placed several relay points to extend her range)

Sure.

Regeneration (Low-Mid; Regenerated her arm)

Sure.

Self-Destruction (Has drones that can self-destruct)

Sure.

Transformation, Enhanced Senses & Statistics Amplification (Can transform into her multi-eyed form and unleash her true power)

Sure.

Extrasensory Perception (Detected one of Child Emperor's scouting bots from deep within the Monster Association base before it had even arrived. Sensed an intruder entering the base the moment they stepped inside, deducing it was a living organism and pinpointing its approximate location. Can assess the strength of others)

Sure.

Sealing (She can trap others within a psychic forcefield and compress it, reducing them to a meat cube)

Sure.

Aura (Radiates an aura around her body. Objects manipulated by her are also engulfed in this aura)

Sure.

Immunity to Pain Manipulation (Meat puppets are unable feel pain)

Sure.

Psykos
All previous abilities, except Pain Immunity, Regeneration, and Transformation
Limited Body Puppetry (Gyoro Gyoro was merely a puppet created and controlled by Psykos)

Sure.

Power Mimicry (Replicated Tatsumaki's decoy technique)

Sure.

Statistics Amplification with serum

Sure.

Resistance to:
Mind & Soul Corruption, Mind & Soul Destruction and Absorption (Type 1; Resisted having her soul/mind corrupted and destroyed, as well as her body absorbed by Orochi)

Sure.

Sleep Inducement (Resisted sleep medication)

Sure.

Merged Psykos
Vehicle Mastery (Showed exceptional skills in flying a jet)

I guess.

Unconventional Attack Reflection (Psykos swapped the inside and outside of Tatsumaki’s barrier, turning Tatsumaki’s own power against her while simultaneously injecting her own energy to amplify the crushing effect)

Sure.

Smoke Manipulation (Dispersed a thick cloud of smoke to conceal her presence)

I guess.

Immortality (Type 3; Can survive having her insides blown out. Regenerated from her body being twisted like a tornado)

Sure.

Large Size (Type 2, potentially 5 overtime) (Was planning to become the Earth itself through absorption)

Sure.

Multiple Selves (All Type; Shares a body with Orochi)

I guess.

Body Control

• Technology manipulation, Weapon Creation, and Shape Shifting (Transformed into a jet capable of shooting homing missiles. Shapeshift into different creatures. Weaponized Orochi's cells to shoot lasers and created large spears/blades)

Sure.

Garou
Fusionism (Can combine numerous techniques into his own style)

Sure.

Limited Empowerment (Due to the nature of their attacks being similar, His and Metal Bat’s technique aligned into a combined move and boosted each others power)(Metal Bat would get this as well)

Sure.

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Garou and Psykos intelligence sections are lacking, so I created more detailed versions.

EG for Psykos + Intelligence Revamp
A Genius rating for her intelligence was accepted here, but never applied. That said, I think her feats are EG worthy. She's shown to have knowledge that surpasses the human limitations in multiple fields of science: biology, chemistry, psychic studies, strategic planning, engineering etc.

I think EG is reaching.

 

[Farfetchedx]

Sorry for the late reply, been a bit busy. Also I've updated Psykos' Intelligence

Abilities all seem good.

I know you might not be knowledgeable on the verse, but would you mind giving your thoughts on Psykos getting EG Intel. based on what I wrote

Reason?

Isn't this for Geniuses or higher?

I think EG is reaching.

How so?
The EG section says:

Extraordinary Genius: Individuals whose knowledge spreads over multiple fields of science and who vastly surpass the real world's upper human limits. At this level, many are capable of creating extremely advanced futuristic technology, executing complex strategies even under high pressure, outperforming supercomputers,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Intelligence#cite_note-1"><span>[</span>Note 1<span>]</span></a> and even accurately predicting the future through sheer mental calculations. This is where super scientists of exceptional scientific knowledge begin to appear.

knowledge that spreads over multiple fields of science
Based on feats, Psykos is knowledgeable in biology, chemistry, psychic studies, strategic planning, engineering etc. This fits the category of Extraordinary Genius rather than simply Genius, which is for those who specializes in one area

Execute complex strategies even under high pressure
She was able to track Tatsumaki’s power, fire energy blasts, absorb energy through her roots, and maintain a protective barrier simultaneously. This is even more impressive when considering how hard it is to use telekinesis.

Create extremely advanced futuristic technology
She created a puppet that can talk, see, transform, regenerate, and use telekinesis. She also created a serum that instantly increases psychic power. Also, devices that cultivate monster cells, and create and maintain large-scale bio-engineered organisms/puppets

Predict the future through sheer mental calculations
She accurately predicted that Garou would become stronger than Orochi

Surpass the real world's upper human limits
Her feats definitely surpass real world limitations

She meets all the descriptions of a EG, and would fit it more than just a genius imo.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

OP looks fine to me.

 

[Farfetchedx]

Abilities all seem good.

Reason?

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

I guess.

Sure.

I guess.

Sure.

Sure.

I guess.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

I think EG is reaching.

Bump

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

This seems good for extraordinary; the rest is kinda filler.

She single-handedly built multiple laboratories to further her scientific research, conducting countless experiments on humans and monsters alike. This included cannibalism, blood and cell transfusion, pain and stress manipulation, and emotional manipulation. Eventually, she figured out the key to achieving unlimited growth or “ breaking the limiter,” with Orochi being her first success. The only other person we've seen make similar discoveries is Dr. Genus, a genius scientist who was capable of creating a cloning device and developing a formula to reverse his aging. Psykos is also responsible for creating Evil Natural Water, greatly enhancing a monster’s psychic power by implanting his arms with the eyes of numerous monsters, and creating a serum that massively increases psychic power instantly.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

ActuallySpaceMan and FinePoint's approvals are also my approvals here.

 

[Golden_Void]

How is Garou combining multiple styles of martial arts fusionism? Literally no other martial artist on the wiki gets this. That's like saying using addition and multiplication in the same formula is fusionism. Otherwise, I agree w/ the majority.

 

[Farfetchedx]

ActuallySpaceMan and FinePoint's approvals are also my approvals here.

What's your thoughts on Psykos having EG intelligence. ActuallySpaceMan accepted it. FinePoint didn't

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Can we add Garou's amps that aren't RE related to his ratings? It's weird to acknowledge stuff like Awakening Breath on his profile and say they boost him significantly but don't mention them in his stats.

 

[Farfetchedx]

Reason?

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

I guess.

Sure.

I guess.

Sure.

Sure.

I guess.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

I think EG is reaching.

ActuallySpaceMan and FinePoint's approvals are also my approvals here.

Bump

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

What's your thoughts on Psykos having EG intelligence. ActuallySpaceMan accepted it. FinePoint didn't

Neutral than.

Edit, it was mostly agreed but not quite applied to avoid using tiers for combat intelligence instead of general descriptions. So Garou's EG combat intelligence may be effected. But as for Psychos, unsure. But basically, EG intelligence is basically the ability to do things in head that otherwise most people are dependent on computers to do for them.

 

[Farfetchedx]

Edit, it was mostly agreed but not quite applied to avoid using tiers for combat intelligence instead of general descriptions. So Garou's EG combat intelligence may be effected.

Garou doesn't have EG for combat.

But basically, EG intelligence is basically the ability to do things in head that otherwise most people are dependent on computers to do for them.

That is basically what Psykos does, especially with her psychic power, like i explained here

 

[Farfetchedx]

Bump

 

[Farfetchedx]

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FinePoint, what's your thoughts on this

Sorry for the late reply, been a bit busy. Also I've updated Psykos' Intelligence

I know you might not be knowledgeable on the verse, but would you mind giving your thoughts on Psykos getting EG Intel. based on what I wrote

Isn't this for Geniuses or higher?

How so?
The EG section says:

knowledge that spreads over multiple fields of science
Based on feats, Psykos is knowledgeable in biology, chemistry, psychic studies, strategic planning, engineering etc. This fits the category of Extraordinary Genius rather than simply Genius, which is for those who specializes in one area

Execute complex strategies even under high pressure
She was able to track Tatsumaki’s power, fire energy blasts, absorb energy through her roots, and maintain a protective barrier simultaneously. This is even more impressive when considering how hard it is to use telekinesis.

Create extremely advanced futuristic technology
She created a puppet that can talk, see, transform, regenerate, and use telekinesis. She also created a serum that instantly increases psychic power. Also, devices that cultivate monster cells, and create and maintain large-scale bio-engineered organisms/puppets

Predict the future through sheer mental calculations
She accurately predicted that Garou would become stronger than Orochi

Surpass the real world's upper human limits
Her feats definitely surpass real world limitations

She meets all the descriptions of a EG, and would fit it more than just a genius imo.

 

[FinePoint]

FinePoint, what's your thoughts on this

In hindsight I think it's probably fine.

 

[Farfetchedx]

Finally got to apply this. This can be closed

 

[FinePoint]

Finally got to apply this. This can be closed

I will do so then.