Flashy Flash Profile Revamp

[Farfetchedx]

Current Profile
My Revamp

Spoiler: Changes

• Added new abilities and better written justification for others
• Added manga render
• Added Quotes
• Revised AP, Speed, Durability and Stamina justifications
• Upgraded range
• Revised Intelligence Justification
• Intelligence upgraded to possibly Genius (Predicting weight based on footsteps is definitely a genius level feat, though some may say that the rest of his feats seem consistent with gifted, so I gave him a possibly rating to play it safe)
• Added Notable Attacks/Techniques from his spar with Saitama
• Added to his Gallery
• Lifting Strength upgrade (I'll start off by saying that Garou's lifting strength is outdated. His half monster key should scale to this for the same reasons listed for his AP("Evolved during his fight with Overgrown Rover, becoming a threat big enough to where Gyoro Gyoro believed that taking him down would take a considerable amount of effort"). So Garou prior to fighting Darkshine should scale to 3.78439 trillion Metric Tons, and just like his AP, he gets a 3x increase, then another 3x increase in his half-monster key= 34.05951 trillion Metric Tons. In his Post-Darkshine Key, he gets another 3x increase while fighting Bang=102.17853 trillion Metric Tons)
• Changed the hero rank in his summery from 13 to 10

Agree: DarkDragonMedeus, Random-Helper323, KingTempest
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[AyOgUyS]

looks fine at a glance tho I am not an expert on the verse

 

[MrTayman616]

I disagree with several things here.

Abilities
Resistance to Fear manipulation is just wrong. He's feeling fear like any other, he doesn't resist anything.

Extrasensory perception is fine ig?
But i don't agree with the last two justification. Maybe the last one is fine, but the other one isn't as what he feels is about how they fight and act, not that he was feeling something via inhuman level senses or anything.

Minor paralysis inducement, he's just way too fast to the point the kicks are still happening, it's not some paralysis technique. (Also, even holding of some kind would be as such with that logic, no?), so i disagree with it.

Analytical Prediction&Instinctive Action. The last justification is described as more than what it actually is. Just changing it with what's written in Iaian's profile should be fine.

Rage Power is also wrong. He's desperate there and used his ultimate move, not that his rage made him stronger.

"Pressure points" is fully wrong. They're just going for the kill, going for their heads or eyes aren't something like hitting "pressure points".

Speed enhancement weren't accepted in my thread if iirc, maybe it was? I don't want to check as i'm using my phone rn. :d

Attack reflection also seems wrong. He doesn't reflect anything there.

Other abilities seems fine ig.

Stats

Striking Strength's last section is wrong. You missed it ig? It should be Continental.

Some of AP justifications are wrong.

Galewind refers to his speed, not power. Platinum Sperm wasn't forced or anything as well.

Some of speed justifications are wrong/unnecessary.

The first one doesn't mean light speed. Most of the things added there are just unnecessary.

I don't think we need to change his speed justifications at all, at least for the first section. The second part has good additions like Blast's scene.

I won't check if you changed LS or not since it's very bothersome from the phone :d

There might be other things in other sections, but that's all from me for now since my fingers are killing me.

Overall, it doesn't really need a revamp as well, just adding those extra abilities is more than fine imo. Maybe adding that Blast scene for speed justification as well.

(Sorry for the lack of links, as it's very painful to do it with this phone. Same for accuracy or style as even thinking hurts at this point)

 

[AyOgUyS]

I disagree with several things here.

Abilities
Resistance to Fear manipulation is just wrong. He's feeling fear like any other, he doesn't resist anything.

Extrasensory perception is fine ig?
But i don't aree with the last two justification. Maybe the last one is fine, but the other one isn't as what feels off is ahow they fight and act, not that he was feeling something via inhuman level senses or anything.

Minor paralysis inducement, he's just way fast to the point the kicks are still happening, it's not some paralysis technique. (Also, even holding of some kind would be as such with that logic, no?), so i disagree with it.

Analytical Prediction&Instinctive Action. The last justification is described as more than what it actually is. Just changing it with what's written in Iaian's profile should be fine.

Rage Power is also wrong. He's desperate there and used his ultimate move, not that his rage made him stronger.

Pressure points is fully wrong. They're just going for the kill, going for their heads or eyes aren't something like hitting "pressure points".

Speed enhancement weren't accepted in my thread if iirc, maybe it was? I don't want to check as i'm using my phone rn. :d

Attack reflection also seems wrong. He doesn't reflect anything there.

Other abilities seems fine ig.

Stats

Striking Strength's last section is wrong. You missed it ig? It should be Continental.

Some of AP justifications are wrong.

Galewind refers to his speed, not power. Platinum Sperm wasn't forced or anything as well.

Some of speed justifications are wrong/unnecessary.

The first one doesn't mean light speed. Most of the things added there are just unnecessary.

I don't think we need to change his speed justifications at all, at least for the first section. The second part has good additions like Blast's scene.

I won't check if you changed LS or bot since it's very bothersome from the phone :d

There might be other things in other sections, but that's all from me for now since my fingers are killing me.

Overall, it doesn't really need a revamp as well, just adding those extra abilities is more than fine imo. Maybe adding that Blast scene for speed justification as well.

(Sorry for the lack of links, as it's very painful to do it with this phone)

I change my vote to disagree based on this knowledgeable member's args

 

[DavidTPPM]

As always I have to correct the hair nonsense. They were not tracking 33,333 individual attacks.

The hairs weren't attacking individually, they were clumped up onto thick tentacle-like projectiles. So while there were 33,333 individual hairs per person, there was waaaayyyy less individual attacks per person. That's a huge difference both because it lowers the number of attacks and because it makes their targets bigger, which makes them easier to analyze and hit.

Saying it's 33,333 individual attacks is lying saying my punch is a billion individual attacks because it's composed of billions of cells, ignoring the fact they're clumped into a single attack. So the justification should definitely be changed as in its current state it's really misleading

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Saying it's 33,333 individual attacks is lying [because it's like] saying my punch is a billion individual attacks because it's composed of billions of cells, ignoring the fact they're clumped into a single attack. So the justification should definitely be changed as in its current state it's really misleading

Maybe we should upgrade @DavidTPPM to 1 billion x 10-B based on this reasoning, it seems sound to me

 

[Farfetchedx]

Resistance to Fear manipulation is just wrong. He's feeling fear like any other, he doesn't resist anything.

A resistance is still given even if the character experiences it, but is able to perform when they shouldn’t. Bakugo for example

Rage Power is also wrong. He's desperate there and used his ultimate move, not that his rage made him stronger.

He stated that he was surpassed by the both of them, which means he was already going all out. So his increase in speed could have only come from his rage

"Pressure points" is fully wrong. They're just going for the kill, going for their heads or eyes aren't something like hitting "pressure points".

Pressure Points can be given for targeting the neck, eyes, chin or any vital point

Speed enhancement weren't accepted in my thread if iirc, maybe it was? I don't want to check as i'm using my phone rn. :d

It was, three mods agreed with it

Attack reflection also seems wrong. He doesn't reflect anything there.

Attack reflection is still given for deflection

You missed it ig?

Yeah

Platinum Sperm wasn't forced or anything as well.

He wasn't forced to use Platinum Rings to survive, but he was forced to use it to stop the Flash Fists

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

The blog looks pretty good to me.

 

[MrTayman616]

A resistance is still given even if the character experiences it, but is able to perform when they shouldn’t. Bakugo for example

This isn't the same. This basically applies for every character who saw Garou then. Flashy Flash quite literally didn't do anything to get this.

He didn't resist, he wasn't different compared to anyone as well. He literally thinks "Running away would be useless" in the same scan you're using as justification for resistance.

There is no resistance visible here. Just experiencing fear doesn't mean you will lose the ability to act.

He stated that he was surpassed by the both of them, which means he was already going all out. So his increase in speed could have only come from his rage

He was surpassed by them, but he was still keeping up. There is no "his rage made him faster" situation or anything similar.

He didn't even get faster, so i don't know the point of this.

Pressure Points can be given for targeting the neck, eyes, chin or any vital point

I would say those are also wrong. It is inaccurate based on the description of the ability.

(Like, why would i get pressure points just because i aim to someone's eye or head, not only it doesn't fit, everyone can do it lol)

Attack reflection is still given for deflection

It's fine then.

He wasn't forced to use Platinum Rings to survive, but he was forced to use it to stop the Flash Fists

He wasn't "forced" to do it or anything. Choosing that method =/= he was forced in that situation.

 

[Farfetchedx]

This isn't the same. This basically applies for every character who saw Garou then. Flashy Flash quite literally didn't do anything to get this.

He didn't resist, he wasn't different compared to anyone as well. He literally thinks "Running away would be useless" in the same scan you're using as justification for resistance.

There is no resistance visible here. Just experiencing fear doesn't mean you will lose the ability to act.

That's the thing with fear, even when you know it’s useless to run, you still do because you’re afraid. The fact that Flash is still willing to fight and not running like the others, proves he has some resistance

He was surpassed by them, but he was still keeping up. There is no "his rage made him faster" situation or anything similar.

He didn't even get faster, so i don't know the point of this.

He clearly got faster, otherwise a casual Platinum S should’ve reacted to him and not get overwhelmed (Like, he goes from just keeping up and not doing anything(which was him going all out) to pressing Platinum S and making him use a special techniques. There's clearly an increase lol)

He wasn't "forced" to do it or anything. Choosing that method =/= he was forced in that situation.

Well I disagree, it’s the whole point of him using it in the first place. Like with Garou. He did it because he was overwhelmed. IMO, if he didn’t do it, he would’ve just kept getting punched until Flash got tired or smth

 

[DavidTPPM]

I actually 100% agree with Tayman here. Flashy's reaction to fear being giving up doesn't mean he's resisting the fear. That's just his response which makes sense since different people react to it differently.

Also using pages like Tokyo Revengers as a reference point is a bit, idk, iffy? The profiles are famously problematic. The pressure point justification is also just not great on its own, if we gave pressure points for attacking the head or slicing the opponents throat we'd give it to basically every character on the wiki.

For the PS thing, landing blows on someone who you were previously matched by doesn't mean you got faster. You could have just gained the upper hand naturally without any speed changes.

Also why did my hair comment get ignored

 

[Random-Helper323]

I agree with all of the blog, except I'm iffy on the fear manipulation resistance.

 

[MrTayman616]

I agree with all of the blog, except I'm iffy on the fear manipulation resistance.

Pressure Points (Ninjas are trained to quickly eliminate their opponents by striking vital points. Stated that the eyes are the weak spots of every creature)

How is attacking eyes and head with a sword(which basically almost every character who fights with a sword does) is acceptable for "pressure points"? :d

Vital point in question is just slashing someone's head, there isn't even a mention of "vital point".

Rage Power (After realizing he was being outpaced, he grew faster and stronger through rage, allowing him to press Platinum Sperm with a barrage of punches)

Rage power is most definitely wrong here. Flashy Flash wasn't that outmatched in the fight at that point, he used his "Ultimate Technique" to do this feat. While he's angry here, he didn't get any power up or something like that through rage.

Limited Attack Reflection (Via Falling Moon Palm)

This is also wrong here imo. He doesn't reflect or deflect his attack. He just dodges and then counterattacks. He just attacked from Saitama's right side, that's all. (i might be wrong about this :d)

 

[Farfetchedx]

How is attacking eyes and head with a sword(which basically almost every character who fights with a sword does) is acceptable for "pressure points"? :d

Vital point in question is just slashing someone's head, there isn't even a mention of "vital point".

The description for Pressure Points is simply striking a certain area to cause effects like pain, death, paralysis, etc. So striking the neck, eyes, chin, knees etc. fits that description. You are making it more than what it is.
Plenty of profiles have it. Even Atomic Samurai and Sweet Mask's recently updated profiles have it, and neither you nor anyone else had a problem with it when the profiles were being revamped.
Also, almost anyone being able to do it doesn't dismiss it. It's a matter of whether the character is shown to do it or not. Almost anyone can punch the ground and cause vibrations like Tanktop Master or Garou, but we only give vibration manipulation to those who are shown to do it.

Rage power is most definitely wrong here. Flashy Flash wasn't that outmatched in the fight at that point, he used his "Ultimate Technique" to do this feat. While he's angry here, he didn't get any power up or something like that through rage.

This argument doesn't really make sense. Flash claimed he was moving at full speed before he used his ultimate, and yet he was getting outclassed and barely keeping up. He then gets angry and used his ultimate, which lets him press platinum. Now, unless you are ready to argue that his ultimate gives him an amp, there's no way he should have done that without a rage amp.
He charged from a distance at someone who was faster than him, and was previously outperformed by him. You can't "naturally gain the the advantage" like that.

 

[MrTayman616]

The description for Pressure Points is simply striking a certain area to cause effects like pain, death, paralysis, etc. So striking the neck, eyes, chin, knees etc. fits that description. You are making it more than what it is.

It talks about the "special parts of the body", not "any part". You're making it far less than what it is. This is the same as "Someone punchs another person and it hurts, boom, they get pressure points"

Plenty of profiles have it. Even Atomic Samurai and Sweet Mask's recently updated profiles have it, and neither you nor anyone else had a problem with it when the profiles were being revamped.

It means i just didn't check it well enough there. Those justifications doesn't seem good to me.

Also, almost anyone being able to do it doesn't dismiss it. It's a matter of whether the character is shown to do it or not. Almost anyone can punch the ground and cause vibrations like Tanktop Master or Garou, but we only give vibration manipulation to those who are shown to do it.

Huh? who's "almost anyone" ? I'm sure i can't do it.

Also, wdym "It's a matter of whether the character is shown to do it or not"? Anyone who hit someone and hurt them on screen would apply to this with this reasoning.

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This argument doesn't really make sense. Flash claimed he was moving at full speed before he used his ultimate, and yet he was getting outclassed and barely keeping up. He then gets angry and used his ultimate, which lets him press platinum. Now, unless you are ready to argue that his ultimate gives him an amp, there's no way he should have done that without a rage amp.
He charged from a distance at someone who was faster than him, and was previously outperformed by him. You can't "naturally gain the the advantage" like that.

Flash was still capable of dodging their attacks etc. The difference at that moment isn't to the point Flash has to get faster and stronger to make this feat happen. This is one of his "Ultimate" techniques, he consistently show better performance in close range with these.

He didn't get faster or stronger, nor is there a "rage power" here.

 

[Farfetchedx]

It talks about the "special parts of the body", not "any part". You're making it far less than what it is. This is the same as "Someone punchs another person and it hurts, boom, they get pressure points"

What? Areas like the throat, eyes, chin, etc. aren't just "any part" of the body, they're vital points. They're significantly more vulnerable, hence why boxers/MMA fighters aim for areas like the chin, ears, nose bridge, solar plexus, etc.

It means i just didn't check it well enough there. Those justifications doesn't seem good to me.

Sure, but point is, the fact that both threads were approved by multiple different mods without anyone having a problem with it shows that it's something generally acceptable

Huh? who's "almost anyone" ? I'm sure i can't do it.

I was referring to characters on the wiki, since most have superhuman strength

Anyone who hit someone and hurt them on screen would apply to this with this reasoning.

Huh?

Flash was still capable of dodging their attacks etc. The difference at that moment isn't to the point Flash has to get faster and stronger to make this feat happen.

Dodging their attacks is a bad justification, since dodging attacks can be heavily influenced by analytical prediction and overall combat skill, whereas charging straight at someone from a distance is just influenced by speed.

he consistently show better performance in close range with these.

You wanna know why that is? Because he never goes full speed until he uses them. But in this specific case, he was going full speed before he even used it.

Anyway I'm gonna let it rest. Feels like we're going in circles. Mods can decide

 

[KingTempest]

Nice job, fear manip no tho, but this works

 

[Farfetchedx]

Nice job, fear manip no tho, but this works

Thanks. The changes have been applied, so you can close this.