In A Single Gallant Flash... (Minato Profile Revamp)

[Arcker123]

Preface
Ladies and Gentlemen, we did it.

Original Profile

Minato Namikaze

Minato Namikaze (波風なみかぜ ミナト, Namikaze Minato?) was the Fourth Hokage of Konohagakure. He was famous in life for his speed, leading to the moniker of Konoha's Yellow Flash. He died during the Nine-Tails' attack on Konoha, sacrificing his life to seal a part of the Nine-Tails into his newborn son...

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Total revamp of the profile.

Agree: @KingTempest, @Godernet, @Damage3245

Neutral:

Disagree:

 

[Kachon123]

Unsure about some of those images, but the sandbox looks good off of a skim. Nice job. I'll probably read more in-depth later

 

[Damage3245]

Do we know for sure that Minato has access to all of those Summons? Does anyone who learns frog-style Sage Mode has a summoning contract with every one of those frogs?

 

[Arcker123]

Do we know for sure that Minato has access to all of those Summons? Does anyone who learns frog-style Sage Mode has a summoning contract with every one of those frogs?

Yes
"When one enters a contract with one toad, they enter a contract with all toads of mount myoboku"

 

[Kaydee1648]

From a quick glance, It looks nice, just a few minor errors here and there. Like;

• The “Tailed beast Mode” and. “Resistance” sub tabbers should have a scroll box embedded in them, just like how the others are.
• Punctuations should come before citations with the exception of brackets. So it should be “blah.[2]” instead of “blah[2].”
• You wrote “Kurama's Chakra resisted Obit’s Outer Path Chains<ref>Naruto Chapter 570<ref>. The Outer Path Chains are chakra chains that can [https://file.garden/aAv8Tf1GM0PQF1Jd/12371733_760_1200_165270.png restrain targets and bind their power.” in the resistance sub tabber in his edo tensei tabber. This is probably a linking error i’m guessing

In all honesty, profiles good. Sparkle’s gonna like this.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Seeing someone other than Sparkle work on Minatos profile is super unexpected.
That being said it looks nice from a quick scroll.

You forgot to sneak a CM1 in there silly

 

[Arcker123]

The “Tailed beast Mode” and. “Resistance” sub tabbers should have a scroll box embedded in them, just like how the others are.

Yeah I tried this and it just kind of messed up the entire page in a way I couldn't/didn't know how to fix. I agree with you here but this is just user error on my part.

You wrote “Kurama's Chakra resisted Obit’s Outer Path Chains<ref>Naruto Chapter 570<ref>. The Outer Path Chains are chakra chains that can [https://file.garden/aAv8Tf1GM0PQF1Jd/12371733_760_1200_165270.png restrain targets and bind their power.” in the resistance sub tabber in his edo tensei tabber. This is probably a linking error i’m guessing

Forgot to add a closing bracket. Fixed.

Seeing someone other than Sparkle work on Minatos profile is super unexpected.

This was supposed to prelude a general first 4 Hokage revamp project.

 

[SlendVeny]

Mhm, now that's the good shit right there. I would very much like to agree.

 

[Arcker123]

Unsure about some of those images,

It was surprisingly difficult to find good manga images to render for this (Sage Mode, Jonin, KCM, etc). I agree that the KCM Avatar especially needs a touch up though

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Naruto is 17 at the end of DB4, and Minato was 24 when Naruto was born, so 27 years ago, Minato was 14. That makes One Shot Minato at least 16. Jonin is 21 for similar reasons.

Jiraiya saying there hasn't been a genius like Minato since is a mistranslation.
いやミナトは十年に一度の逸材だ
あれほどの天才はそう生まれてこん
No—Minato is a once-in-a-decade prodigy.
A genius on that level doesn’t come along so easily.

I'm not sure about saying he fought evenly with Han and Roshi given that they're unbothered while Minato is in a pretty bad state.

Minato didn't necessarily feel Kurama's sensing, in the VIZ translation and raws (オレに気付いたか = Did you notice me?), he simply refers to noticing, which makes sense as Kurama was looking in Minato's direction and his facial expression indicated that he saw Minato.

The Yellow Flash being an amping jutsu thing is kinda vague.

Minato didn't seal Kurama back inside Kushina with a completely new seal, he just modified the existing seal.

Not sure about Minato having done a tug of war with Kurama given that the DB notes he reconciled with Kurama in the section talking about his attainment of KCM.

Where do the 5 layers of genjutsu resistance come from?

There's a problem with an Edo Tensei AP citation.

Other than allat, looks great.

 

[Arcker123]

Naruto is 17 at the end of DB4, and Minato was 24 when Naruto was born, so 27 years ago, Minato was 14. That makes One Shot Minato at least 16. Jonin is 21 for similar reasons.

Hmmh. Noted. I used 16 for Narutos age and when you plug that in he's 13.

Edit: Wait, Minato would be 20 as a jonin (41 - 21 = 20)

Jiraiya saying there hasn't been a genius like Minato since is a mistranslation.
いやミナトは十年に一度の逸材だ
あれほどの天才はそう生まれてこん
No—Minato is a once-in-a-decade prodigy.
A genius on that level doesn’t come along so easily.

Will modify

I'm not sure about saying he fought evenly with Han and Roshi given that they're unbothered while Minato is in a pretty bad state.

Sure. I'll just say fought against or something.

Minato didn't necessarily feel Kurama's sensing, in the VIZ translation and raws (オレに気付いたか = Did you notice me?), he simply refers to noticing, which makes sense as Kurama was looking in Minato's direction and his facial expression indicated that he saw Minato.

Will remove.

The Yellow Flash being an amping jutsu thing is kinda vague.

I don't see how

Minato didn't seal Kurama back inside Kushina with a completely new seal, he just modified the existing seal.

He does the resealing after this. Kurama broke free of that and the tetragram pike thingy and Minato revealed him after the Rasengan clash.

Not sure about Minato having done a tug of war with Kurama given that the DB notes he reconciled with Kurama in the section talking about his attainment of KCM.

I don't see how this disputes it. Naruto also reconciled with Kyuubi after the tug of war.

Where do the 5 layers of genjutsu resistance come from?

Narutos profile.

There's a problem with an Edo Tensei AP citation

Fixed

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Hmmh. Noted. I used 16 for Narutos age and when you plug that in he's 13.

Edit: Wait, Minato would be 20 as a jonin (41 - 21 = 20)

Indeed

Will modify

Sure. I'll just say fought against or something.

Will remove.

I don't see how

Doesn't really describe it as an amp, and it's not a jutsu Minato's used, it might just be referring to him using bukijutsu in tandem with FTG.

He does the resealing after this. Kurama broke free of that and the tetragram pike thingy and Minato revealed him after the Rasengan clash.

Considering it says Kurama just TRIED to break the seal, it sounds like he didn't fully. The visual signs might've been gone, but the seal could've still been intact to some extent. Kinda like how Naruto undid his seal, with there also being no visible signs of it in the mental plane, yet the seal spell that Minato had originally incorporated FTG markings into was still technically there.

I don't see how this disputes it. Naruto also reconciled with Kyuubi after the tug of war.

This is why I said not sure. It's not made clear. Minato could've won a tug of war then befriended Kurama afterward, or just came to a peaceful resolution as the first step.

Narutos profile.

Understandable

Fixed

 

[Arcker123]

Doesn't really describe it as an amp, and it's not a jutsu Minato's used, it might just be referring to him using bukijutsu in tandem with FTG.

It says its a jutsu that he named after his title that gave him light like speed.

Unless FTG got a new name then .

Considering it says Kurama just TRIED to break the seal, it sounds like he didn't fully. The visual signs might've been gone, but the seal could've still been intact to some extent. Kinda like how Naruto undid his seal, with there also being no visible signs of it in the mental plane, yet the seal spell that Minato had originally incorporated FTG markings into was still technically there.

I see. Its still accurate to say he revealed Kurama fully. Just maybe not a new seal.

This is why I said not sure. It's not made clear. Minato could've won a tug of war then befriended Kurama afterward, or just came to a peaceful resolution as the first step.

Naruto and Kurama talk about how impressive it was for Minato to have controlled his Kurama and they talk about how he did it too (comparing it to Naruto) so there's support he did the same thing. Tame and then befriend.

 

[Kaydee1648]

Yeah I tried this and it just kind of messed up the entire page in a way I couldn't/didn't know how to fix. I agree with you here but this is just user error on my part.

I can fix it, if you’d like me to.

Forgot to add a closing bracket. Fixed.

and the reference

 

[DavidTPPM]

Just a minor nitpick but it'd probably look better it types and layers were bolded.

 

[Arcker123]

I can fix it, if you’d like me to.

Please.

Just a minor nitpick but it'd probably look better it types and layers were bolded.

I tried and uh. It didn't.

 

[Testarossa002]

Never use ***me profile pics if there are manga substitutes (talking to you @Ghostimuscrime )
This is nicely put together
one thing though
If the yellow flash whatever is going to be added as stat amp, it should be reflected in the stat section
to prevent ambiguity
Edit:
Noticed this now:

Curse Manipulation, Space-Time Manipulation, Teleportation, BFR, Limited Cosmic Awareness, Pocket Realty Creation & Dimensional Travel (Minato's trademark Jutsu is his Flying Raijin technique

Uh... Curse Manip needs to:

explicitly intended to cause harm and misfortune against the target.

FTG marks don't do that. Plus, its justification is just bloating up the overall justification for ftg

 

[Arcker123]

I suppose whether we want to keep that just depends on if we consider curse marks in general to fall under curse manipulation.

A mark where the enemy can teleport and insta kill seems like a misfortune to me.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Never use ***me profile pics if there are manga substitutes (talking to you @Ghostimuscrime

 

[Arcker123]

This is the only image of Sage Minato that actually exists in the manga... Rendering was fun

 

[Kaydee1648]

Please.

done

 

[Arcker123]

Gracias

 

[MinatoSparkle]

It says its a jutsu that he named after his title that gave him light like speed.

Not exactly, and the phrasing depends on the translation. It could just be referring to Minato as the Yellow Flash of the Leaf, who wields an unavoidable LS blade and a technique that shines brilliantly on the battlefield (FTG).

Unless FTG got a new name then .

Nah, it'd win

I see. Its still accurate to say he revealed Kurama fully. Just maybe not a new seal.

Rebuilt the seal sure

Naruto and Kurama talk about how impressive it was for Minato to have controlled his Kurama and they talk about how he did it too (comparing it to Naruto) so there's support he did the same thing. Tame and then befriend.

Eh, they didn't really have any context, though it's something. Think a possibly or likely rating is more fitting though.

 

[Arcker123]

Not exactly, and the phrasing depends on the translation. It could just be referring to Minato as the Yellow Flash of the Leaf, who wields an unavoidable LS blade and a technique that shines brilliantly on the battlefield (FTG).

The phrase for "formerly" exists in the katakana so I'm skeptical on that.

Rebuilt the seal sure

My description in the sandbox is consistent then since we don't know what technique he used to do it .

Eh, they didn't really have any context, though it's something. Think a possibly or likely rating is more fitting though.

They said its what Naruto did (I never thought Minato would too)

 

[MinatoSparkle]

The phrase for "formerly" exists in the katakana so I'm skeptical on that.

Which is fine and refers to it being a part of his 3rd War days.

My description in the sandbox is consistent then since we don't know what technique he used to do it .

Meh, don't think the name part is necessary at all.

They said its what Naruto did (I never thought Minato would too)

Again, it's an inference. And besides, that can be referring to having Kurama Mode rather than him doing the same process.

 

[Arkenis]

• Telekinesis & Gravity Manipulation (Using the rudimentary ability to focus large amounts of Chakra into their feet to anchor themselves<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Arcker123/Sandbox3#cite_note-Naruto429-294"><span>[</span>294<span>]</span></a>, Konoha Shinobi countered the Deva Path's powers)

They aren't resisting. And the scan used Nagato says its meaningless as well.

 

[Arcker123]

Which is fine and refers to it being a part of his 3rd War days.

This is ad hoc. Your translation didn’t include it.

Meh, don't think the name part is necessary at all.

Okie Dokie my little pookie.

Again, it's an inference.

Assuming Tuesday from Monday is an inference.

And besides, that can be referring to having Kurama Mode rather than him doing the same process.

Its an awesome feat for Minato to have just talked to Kurama?

• Telekinesis & Gravity Manipulation (Using the rudimentary ability to focus large amounts of Chakra into their feet to anchor themselves<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Arcker123/Sandbox3#cite_note-Naruto429-294"><span>[</span>294<span>]</span></a>, Konoha Shinobi countered the Deva Path's powers)

They aren't resisting. And the scan used Nagato says its meaningless as well.

Because Nagato can amp his power using more Chakra. A resistance doesnt have to be infallible.

 

[Arkenis]

Because Nagato can amp his power using more Chakra. A resistance doesnt have to be infallible.

This is an issue of being weak compared to the gravity's pull, that's a stat problem, they aren't resisting gravity unless we're arguing adhesive manip is just gravity resistance now also.

 

[Damage3245]

Hmm, yeah, if someone just has really strong grip strength and they can stop themselves getting blown away by clinging onto the floor super hard... they're not exactly resistant to telekinesis hitting them.

 

[Arcker123]

If you had an inherent ability to do that though. That should be indexed. Im willing to grant an unconventional

 

[Arkenis]

There's nothing unconventional about it. You're arguing what amounts to strong glue with zero feats to demonstrate it.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

This is ad hoc. Your translation didn’t include it.

Yes it did? "The whispered name is the former moniker of the Fourth Hokage."

Okie Dokie my little pookie.

Assuming Tuesday from Monday is an inference.

Not comparable

Its an awesome feat for Minato to have just talked to Kurama?

Kurama first just says he never imagined Minato would have Kurama Mode, then Naruto starts praising him, and Kurama simply agrees that he's amazing. It's not direct enough to warrant a full rating, especially given the knowledge problem.

 

[Arcker123]

There's nothing unconventional about it. You're arguing what amounts to strong glue with zero feats to demonstrate it.

The statement.

Yes it did? "The whispered name is the former moniker of the Fourth Hokage."

Not in your og comment.

Not comparable

Wasn't the point. The point is calling is that calling something an inference is not an argument.

Kurama first just says he never imagined Minato would have Kurama Mode, then Naruto starts praising him, and Kurama simply agrees that he's amazing. It's not direct enough to warrant a full rating, especially given the knowledge problem.

I don't even see any justification for your belief that it would be different anywho. Everything you've given is compatible for it being the same process.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Yeah I'm afraid that's not resistance to gravity manip.

I'd actually say it's in the same ballpark as this note in the gravity manip page

Please note that surviving or moving in increased gravity will not grant resistance to gravity manipulation, unless there is extra context demonstrating that it is not just a Lifting Strength feat.

Resisting the force of the gravity is more so a LS feat, not a resistance feat. A resistance feat would mean the gravity straight up doesn't affect them or that they can somehow make it stop working on them entirely, not just that they overpower it with sticky feet

 

[Arcker123]

Sigh. Ight then

 

[Arcker123]

@Damage3245 any vote?

 

[KingTempest]

Yeah other than the grav resistance this looks good

 

[Arcker123]

Thank you. I already removed the Grav resistance stuff

(Some other more recent profiles may have that so that prolly requires a quick CRT)

 

[Godernet]

Yeah it was a previous revision that can probably be adjusted in a later CRT

After going through everything else this updated profile seems fine.

Good job Arcker

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Not in your og comment.

Yeah, I didn't fully elaborate at first. Now I've elaborated more. What's the issue.

Wasn't the point. The point is calling is that calling something an inference is not an argument.

You're being semantic. My point is simply that the evidence isn't as strong as you're suggesting.

I don't even see any justification for your belief that it would be different anywho. Everything you've given is compatible for it being the same process.

It's not just about belief, it's about the room for error. There is zero concrete evidence that Minato fought and did a chakra tug of war with Kurama.