Bill Cipher CRT Part 3

[VIZION99]

Base key:

Existence Erasure (Bill "liberated" his dimension which caused it to be burned out of existence. His dimension is confirmed to no longer exist)
Curse Manipulation (He cursed a time period with nightmares for 100 years. Symbols of Bill are implied to be cursed)
Nonduality type 1 (Everything Bill is, also isn't Bill)
Multiple Selves type 1 (Bill's deceased species are heavily implied to loom over him. He can hear them screaming at him. They can communicate with him. It's heavily implied he sees them whenever he closes his eyes. He hears them through static)
Photographic memory (He can remember before he was born)
Alternate Future Display (He can show someone how they are going to die)
Deconstruction (If someone knows Bill's true name, they evaporate into dust)
Toon Force (Bill can Speak despite lacking a mouth. Bill can manifest himself as a piñata and statue in the real world)
Illusion Creation (He created a projection from his eye)
Immorality Type 2 (He can shrug off his body being split apart. He can also live as a severed eye and limbs)
Adhesive Manipulation (He glued 2 customers together)
Blood Manipulation (He filled a Mountain Dew machine with blood)
Resistance to Morality Manipulation (He has no regard for morality)
Weirdmageddon key:

Empowerment should be changed to Accelerated Development (Passive; Abilities: (Bill's powers get stronger each minute)

lifting strength should be up to Immeasurable with potentially Higher Dimensional Existence (He can ascend to higher dimensions)

New weaknesses: He has phobias of 3D Glasses, Venetian blinds, TV Static. His biggest fear is himself.

 

[Thanganimator]

Disagree with the idea that Existence Erasure comes from his dimension. He claims he still retains an atomic particle of that dimension, but I think Existence Erasure should originate from his Rift, which would destroy the fabric of existence (Space–Time & Information Type 2)
Agree the rest

 

[VIZION99]

Disagree with the idea that Existence Erasure comes from his dimension. He claims he still retains an atomic particle of that dimension, but I think Existence Erasure should originate from his Rift, which would destroy the fabric of existence (Space–Time & Information Type 2)
Agree the rest

While an atom remained of his dimension, it clear that the dimension got erased since it's mentioned that the dimension is not found and described to be burned out of existence. Also, Bill mentioned that he "liberated" his dimension, meaning he caused what happened to his dimension rather than something else from his rift.

 

[Thanganimator]

Mặc dù một nguyên tử vẫn còn sót lại trong chiều không gian của anh, nhưng rõ ràng chiều không gian đó đã bị xóa sổ vì có đề cập rằng chiều không gian đó không còn tồn tại và được mô tả là đã bị thiêu rụi. Ngoài ra, Bill còn đề cập rằng anh đã "giải phóng" chiều không gian của mình, nghĩa là anh đã gây ra những gì xảy ra với chiều không gian đó chứ không phải thứ gì khác từ vết nứt của anh.

Ý tôi muốn nói ở đây là vết nứt không gian mà Bill gây ra trong sự kiện Weirdmegaddon và việc để lại một nguyên tử duy nhất sẽ không được tính là xóa bỏ sự tồn tại vì điều đó đòi hỏi không còn gì sót lại của đối thủ.

 

[VIZION99]

Ý tôi muốn nói ở đây là vết nứt không gian mà Bill gây ra trong sự kiện Weirdmegaddon và việc để lại một nguyên tử duy nhất sẽ không được tính là xóa bỏ sự tồn tại vì điều đó đòi hỏi không còn gì sót lại của đối thủ.

Actually. Existence Erasure can also affect parts of a target and not always the while target. A example is Yogirl who's death power is actually existence erasure that can affect parts of the target such as their limbs rather than the whole target.

 

[Thanganimator]

Actually. Existence Erasure can also affect parts of a target and not always the while target. A example is Yogirl who's death power is actually existence erasure that can affect parts of the target such as their limbs rather than the whole target.

"Existence Erasure is the simple power to remove something from existence, leaving nothing behind, a level of destruction beyond incineration, vaporization, and atomization. Rather than just reducing something to its constituent parts, this ability leaves absolutely nothing behind."

 

[Thanganimator]

It's maybe heat manipulation or this

Corrosion Inducement

Corrosion Inducement is the ability to corrode objects, generally on solids like rock or metal, at faster than natural rates. On biological objects or people, this is usually seen as a form of rapid decay. Corrosion generally causes the inflicted to slowly break down and weaken durability. It...

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[Thanganimator]

Actually. Existence Erasure can also affect parts of a target and not always the while target. A example is Yogirl who's death power is actually existence erasure that can affect parts of the target such as their limbs rather than the whole target.

So what you think?

 

[VIZION99]

So what you think?

I'm neutral about it

 

[Thanganimator]

Anyway here is the verse's Information type 2 post, I think it could give Existence Erasure (Overtime: Space-Time&Information type 2) to Bill what do you think?

"Reality is made of code" should be Information type 2?

Ok so in here, Bill say "Reality is made of code" and code is represent of information, should Multiverse in Gravity Falls have information type 2?

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[StrymULTRA]

I'd just say that y'all should wait for an incoming CRT I have for this verse which is more complete. This is pretty rushed atm.

Will try to reply here in my free time. A lot of this is just wrong though.

 

[Thanganimator]

Tôi chỉ muốn nói rằng mọi người nên đợi bản CRT tôi gửi cho câu thơ này, nó sẽ đầy đủ hơn. Hiện tại thì hơi vội.

Sẽ cố gắng trả lời ở đây khi rảnh. Tuy nhiên, nhiều chỗ trong bài viết này sai.

Sure, you're the one who upgraded Bill to 1B so I think you're more trustworthy.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Nonduality Type 2 is not like this, you need to prove that at least 2 nondual (even this is just Nonexistent Physiology Type 3, you need to prove it's dual/balance)

 

[Thanganimator]

Nonduality Type 2 is not like this, you need to prove that at least 2 nondual (even this is just Nonexistent Physiology Type 3, you need to prove it's dual/balance)

Doesn't is Non-Duality type 1 and Nonexistent Physiology Type 3?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Doesn't is Non-Duality type 1 and Nonexistent Physiology Type 3?

Maybe, but it's more Nonexistent Physiology Type 3 (Existence/It's is it and Nonexistent/It's not it)

 

[Shiraito983]

Base key:

Existence Erasure: Bill attempted to show everyone the third dimension which caused his home dimension to be burned out of existence. His dimension is confirmed to no longer exist. Bill caused this to happen by "liberating" his dimension)

I'm not sure. Did his power make it disappear? Or he may have led it there, which caused it to be deleted. If thats the case, I disagree

Curse Manipulation (He cursed a time period with nightmares for 100 years. Symbols of Bill are implied to be cursed)

fine i guess

Nonduality type 2 (Everything Bill is, also isn't Bill)

not sure.

Multiple Selves type 1 (Bill's deceased species are heavily implied to loom over him. He can hear them screaming at him. They can communicate with him. It's heavily implied he sees them whenever he closes his eyes. He hears them through static)

Photographic memory (He can remember before he was born)

agree

Alternate Future Display (He can show someone how they are going to die)

fine

 

[Thanganimator]

Maybe, but it's more Nonexistent Physiology Type 3 (Existence/It's is it and Nonexistent/It's not it)

"For this ability, dualities refer to logical dualities where the duality is between "A" and "not A" where A is some object or attribute. For example, fire and water are not a duality; the duality of fire would be fire and not fire" So yeah i guess it's Non-duality type 1

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

"For this ability, dualities refer to logical dualities where the duality is between "A" and "not A" where A is some object or attribute. For example, fire and water are not a duality; the duality of fire would be fire and not fire" So yeah i guess it's Non-duality type 1

For this ability, dualities refer to logical dualities where the duality is between "A" and "not A" where A is some object or attribute. For example, fire and water are not a duality; the duality of fire would be fire and not fire. The duality of existence would be existence and not existence, or, alternately, existence and nonexistence or existence and void. However, not all verses follow this logic, and many may treat things not logically considered dualities - such as water and fire or time and space - as dualities, meaning what is and isn't a duality can change between verses

You need to prove it's duality

 

[Thanganimator]

You need to prove it's duality

I don't know really much about duality, how to prove it?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I don't know really much about duality, how to prove it?

Just prove balance between is and isn't is fundamental like:

• The duality between Light and Darkness is a fundamental system that controls how existence functions as a whole

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Anyway this is enough for Nonduality Type 1 since Bill is, he also isn't, but is this are WOG statment?

 

[Thanganimator]

Anyway this is enough for Nonduality Type 1 since Bill is, he also isn't, but is this are WOG statment?

Yes

 

[Thanganimator]

Anyway this is enough for Nonduality Type 1 since Bill is, he also isn't, but is this are WOG statment?

Question about Bill Cipher reddit Q&A

I know this is probably a dumb question, but there is any confirmation that the Q&A was done by Alex himself?

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Also what's difference between Non-duality type 1 and NEP3?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Question about Bill Cipher reddit Q&A

I know this is probably a dumb question, but there is any confirmation that the Q&A was done by Alex himself?

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Also what's difference between Non-duality type 1 and NEP3?

Nonduality means someone are is it and non-it like: A is light and non-light. NEP Type 3 is existence and nonexistence

 

[Thanganimator]

Nonduality means someone are is it and non-it like: A is light and non-light. NEP Type 3 is existence and nonexistence

But if it is non-duality type 1, why is it also evidence for Bill's NEP3?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

But if it is non-duality type 1, why is it also evidence for Bill's NEP3?

Maybe it should be just changed to Nonduality Type 1 and remove Nonexistent Physiology Type 3

 

[Thanganimator]

Maybe it should be just changed to Nonduality Type 1 and remove Nonexistent Physiology Type 3

Yeah I will ask StrymULTRA about this

 

[VIZION99]

I'm not sure. Did his power make it disappear? Or he may have led it there, which caused it to be deleted. If thats the case, I disagree

This is a power he has since he mentioned he liberated his own dimension and he also mentioned he's going to liberate Ford's dimension too.

 

[VIZION99]

Doesn't is Non-Duality type 1 and Nonexistent Physiology Type 3?

I agree

 

[VIZION99]

But if it is non-duality type 1, why is it also evidence for Bill's NEP3?

Because everything he is also isn't. Making his existence true and false.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Because everything he is also isn't. Making his existence true and false.

No, "everything he is and also isn't*, don't mean existence and nonexistence, meaning everything that describes Bill also does not describe it, means he carries contradiction within itself.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Ok I am back.

I'll just say that I prefered to wait the incoming re-release of the Book of Bill before making any CRT as I have everything already ready, but cool ig.

Anyway.

Existence Erasure: Bill attempted to show everyone the third dimension which caused his home dimension to be burned out of existence. His dimension is confirmed to no longer exist. Bill caused this to happen by "liberating" his dimension)

Bill mentions that atoms in the form of just were the only things left from his dimension.

And let's look back at the definition of EE here:
> Existence Erasure is the simple power to remove something from existence, leaving nothing behind, a level of destruction beyond incineration, vaporization, and atomization. Rather than just reducing something to its constituent parts, this ability leaves absolutely nothing behind. Powerful enough uses of this ability can even erase the mind and soul, if not more fundamental aspects of one's existence, such as concepts.

EE requires that nothing is left behind, not even an atom. Plus we don't even know how Bill has actually destroyed it, just that he's "liberated it", which makes me think the dimension got destroyed by its own after that Bill tried to show them the 3rd dimension.

Nonduality type 1 (Everything Bill is, also isn't Bill)

This is the most debated thing, and no. Bill does not remotely qualify for Type 1 Nonduality.

Nonduality is basically an state of existence which makes the user above a dual system which defines everything in existence (ex. 1 being part of everything that exists, and 0 being everything that does not exist, so everything in reality must be either 1 or 0). To be nondual, Bill would need to be outside either of these concepts, thus be in a state where he's be above both 0 and 1. But here he's simply both existing and not existing similairly to how in (his version of) Quantum Uncertainty, Schroedinger's cat is simply both dead and alive, he's not in a state where he's undefined from both existence and nonexistence, but he's simply being both at the same time, which is not the same thing.

So this is simple NEP 3, and nothing else.

Multiple Selves type 1 (Bill's deceased species are heavily implied to loom over him. He can hear them screaming at him. They can communicate with him. It's heavily implied he sees them whenever he closes his eyes. He hears them through static)

Type 1 (Multiple Minds): Generally describes those who have one or more personas or personalities co-inhabiting their mind. Note that characters that simply suffer from a dissociative identity disorder (also known as multiple personality disorder) don't normally qualify for this ability; in order to meet the requirements, their alternative identities must be extremely relevant, influent and grant them exceptional or supernatural powers, abilities and/or resistances, sometimes even affecting the very structure of their body.

Where is Bill fitting this?

Photographic memory (He can remember before he was born)

This is Cosmic Awareness if anything. Photographic Memory is remembering everything to the last accurate detail, which is not that.

Alternate Future Display (He can show someone how they are going to die)

Alternate Future Display is the ability for users to show others how their lives would be or become if they had chosen to make different decisions in their lives. They can essentially show alternate futures to others and the alternate possibilities of their lives formed by personal decisions. It is a sub-power of Time Manipulation.

This is just Precognition and Telepathy.

Resistance to Morality Manipulation (He has no regard for morality)

Definitely too vague to grant anything. It can also just Bill be an edgelord than being immune to literal attempts to change his morality through hax.

New weaknesses: He has phobias of 3D Glasses, Venetian blinds, TV Static.

Sure.

His biggest fear is himself.

It also says that his greatest love is himself... And he has no problems in interacting with his own clones in the show and the BoB (he even made an interview with himself), so I think this is just another nonsensical funny sentence.

Curse Manipulation (He cursed a time period with nightmares for 100 years. Symbols of Bill are implied to be cursed)

Sure.

 

[VIZION99]

Ok I am back.

I'll just say that I prefered to wait the incoming re-release of the Book of Bill before making any CRT as I have everything already ready, but cool ig.

Anyway.

Bill mentions that atoms in the form of just were the only things left from his dimension.

And let's look back at the definition of EE here:
> Existence Erasure is the simple power to remove something from existence, leaving nothing behind, a level of destruction beyond incineration, vaporization, and atomization. Rather than just reducing something to its constituent parts, this ability leaves absolutely nothing behind. Powerful enough uses of this ability can even erase the mind and soul, if not more fundamental aspects of one's existence, such as concepts.

EE requires that nothing is left behind, not even an atom. Plus we don't even know how Bill has actually destroyed it, just that he's "liberated it", which makes me think the dimension got destroyed by its own after that Bill tried to show them the 3rd dimension.

Yogirl's existence erasure can also affect certain parts of a target too, the point is that Existence Erasure can also affect parts of a target and not always the whole thing.

Where is Bill fitting this?

Dexter gets multiple selves type 1 since his dead family loom over him so it's fair that Bill gets it too because his dead species loom over him.

This is Cosmic Awareness if anything. Photographic Memory is remembering everything to the last accurate detail, which is not that.

Don't get how it's cosmic awareness, cosmic awareness is about being aware of the cosmos but it's about Bill remembering before he is born.

This is just Precognition and Telepathy.

Thought showing a vision of the future is this ability.

Definitely too vague to grant anything. It can also just Bill be an edgelord than being immune to literal attempts to change his morality through hax.

Chara gets resistance to empathic manipulation since they don't understand emotions so Bill should get resistance to morality manipulation since he has no regard for it.

It also says that his greatest love is himself... And he has no problems in interacting with his own clones in the show and the BoB (he even made an interview with himself), so I think this is just another nonsensical funny sentence.

You could be right about that though it's also possible that the reason why he interacts with his clones fine is because his clones share the same mind.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Yogirl's existence erasure can also affect certain parts of a target too, the point is that Existence Erasure can also affect parts of a target and not always the whole thing.

Yogiri's case is different as his ability can indeed fully erase when needed, Bill never showcased that instead.

Dexter gets multiple selves type 1 since his dead family loom over him so it's fair that Bill gets it too because his dead species loom over him.

Yeah but they help Dexter. Bill does not get anything from them instead.

Don't get how it's cosmic awareness, cosmic awareness is about being aware of the cosmos but it's about Bill remembering before he is born.

Cosmic Awareness is being aware of things on a cosmic scale (something Bill did showcase plenty), and him knowing stuff happening before his birth can be attributed to his ability to see the past if anything.

Thought showing a vision of the future is this ability.

Did you skip the part that the future must be a different, hypotetical one than the actual one that is going to happen?

Chara gets resistance to empathic manipulation since they don't understand emotions so Bill should get resistance to morality manipulation since he has no regard for it.

Not only Chara has it as just a likely, but they have the whole SOUL stuff behind it. Bill has no such context.

You could be right about that though it's also possible that the reason why he interacts with his clones fine is because his clones share the same mind.

Or you're taking stuff too literally if anything.

 

[Thanganimator]

Ok I am back.

I'll just say that I prefered to wait the incoming re-release of the Book of Bill before making any CRT as I have everything already ready, but cool ig.

Anyway.

Bill mentions that atoms in the form of just were the only things left from his dimension.

And let's look back at the definition of EE here:
> Existence Erasure is the simple power to remove something from existence, leaving nothing behind, a level of destruction beyond incineration, vaporization, and atomization. Rather than just reducing something to its constituent parts, this ability leaves absolutely nothing behind. Powerful enough uses of this ability can even erase the mind and soul, if not more fundamental aspects of one's existence, such as concepts.

EE requires that nothing is left behind, not even an atom. Plus we don't even know how Bill has actually destroyed it, just that he's "liberated it", which makes me think the dimension got destroyed by its own after that Bill tried to show them the 3rd dimension.

This is the most debated thing, and no. Bill does not remotely qualify for Type 1 Nonduality.

Nonduality is basically an state of existence which makes the user above a dual system which defines everything in existence (ex. 1 being part of everything that exists, and 0 being everything that does not exist, so everything in reality must be either 1 or 0). To be nondual, Bill would need to be outside either of these concepts, thus be in a state where he's be above both 0 and 1. But here he's simply both existing and not existing similairly to how in (his version of) Quantum Uncertainty, Schroedinger's cat is simply both dead and alive, he's not in a state where he's undefined from both existence and nonexistence, but he's simply being both at the same time, which is not the same thing.

So this is simple NEP 3, and nothing else.


Where is Bill fitting this?

This is Cosmic Awareness if anything. Photographic Memory is remembering everything to the last accurate detail, which is not that.



This is just Precognition and Telepathy.

Definitely too vague to grant anything. It can also just Bill be an edgelord than being immune to literal attempts to change his morality through hax.

Sure.

It also says that his greatest love is himself... And he has no problems in interacting with his own clones in the show and the BoB (he even made an interview with himself), so I think this is just another nonsensical funny sentence.

Sure.

NEP3 requires much more than that, you have to be both existent and non-existent while Bill's is and is not is more in line with Non-duality type 1

 

[Thanganimator]

Also I think he should have type 1 inorganic physiology since he's a pyramid, and he should be resistant to transmute and petrification in mindscape form since he turned into a lot of things before he died

 

[StrymULTRA]

NEP3 requires much more than that, you have to be both existent and non-existent while Bill's is and is not is more in line with Non-duality type 1

I already did explained why it's not the case, you replying with "nuh huh" is not a debunk.

Heck, you have him saying that Mindscape beings do not truly exist to further solidify this. He's not in a state where he's outside both existence and nonexistence (which then he'd be Nep Nature 2).

 

[Thanganimator]

I already did explained why it's not the case, you replying with "nuh huh" is not a debunk.

Heck, you have him saying that Mindscape beings do not truly exist to further solidify this. He's not in a state where he's outside both existence and nonexistence (which then he'd be Nep Nature 2).

Personally I think his saying Mindscape entities don't exist is because they exist in the mental world and not the physical world but whatever, still agree with NEP3

 

[Thanganimator]

I already did explained why it's not the case, you replying with "nuh huh" is not a debunk.

Heck, you have him saying that Mindscape beings do not truly exist to further solidify this. He's not in a state where he's outside both existence and nonexistence (which then he'd be Nep Nature 2).

Hmm... But isn't Bill ascending to a higher dimension himself an anti-feat? Why Bill have Dimension Manipulation by do that?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Hmm... But isn't Bill ascending to a higher dimension himself an anti-feat? Why Bill have Dimension Manipulation by do that?

Higher Dimensions have literally nothing to do with neither Nonexistence nor Dualities, what? They're abstract states of existence which define the nature of a being, simply adding spatial coordinates does not do that.