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Rematch of the century but female (Tatsumaki (OPM) vs. Merlin (NNT))

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Time for another rematch because I'm feeling devious. Let's see if Merlin will win this time or...

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The battle takes place in Z-city, starting 90 meters apart, with speed equalized. Merlin is strictly 5-C and has no access to infinity and her other magic items. Both characters have three days of prep time.

Merlin AP: 46 Exatons

Tatsumaki AP: 18.88 Exatons
(2.2x AP difference in Merlin's favor)

Boar's Sin of Gluttony: 0


Tornado of Terror: 0


Name a better girl (incon): 0

Now that's everything is set, let's see how this plays out. Will the outcome remain the same or will the tide's change?
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Majinere566 said:
Tatsumaki has an insane LS advantage over Merlin and it’s her main wincon I don’t think AP restrictions are the way to go for this type of rematch
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That's fair and it would be more interesting. On one hand, Tatsumaki just crushes Merlin, but on the other, if I give Merlin everything, she could one-shot with Infinity. But on the Third hand, I can keep Infinity restricted and give her her other magic items. Honestly, I have no idea with option works best here.
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I’d say to make this a fair fight you should give the characters prep time but that might be too beneficial to Merlin.
 
merlin can mass teleport and time stop, plus she has enough durability to tank tatsu attacks... yall should be asking what counters do tatsu have to ignore time stop and power removal? and distance means nothing for merlin
 
Arkansalter2 said:
Still doesn't stop a TK ragdoll.

Also does she lead with Time Stop?
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1 - its not in character so i can pick w.e
2- she has prep time.. they gave a smart character like merlin prep lmao.. either time stop, teleport into purgatory, or have a sword teleported inside her. which they have feats for. cmon now. tornado has zero chance of winning this. with or without prep merlin low diff... and merlin can hide her soul in her orb.. can tatsu even harm a soul?
 
Zezu1995 said:
she has prep time.. they gave a smart character like merlin prep lmao
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Well, I was told to to make it more even. Man I don't even know what to do here to make it even 😭 Tatsumaki either crushes or I try prep and Merlin just wins because she's smarter
 
Bossbrosish said:
Well, I was told to to make it more even. Man I don't even know what to do here to make it even 😭 Tatsumaki either crushes or I try prep and Merlin just wins because she's smarter
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To be fair Merlin does start off with teleportation which can work on fast characters. This match still can't work unfortunately.
 
Ok so the match is even worse now?

Just give it up bruh.
 
Bossbrosish said:
Well, I was told to to make it more even. Man I don't even know what to do here to make it even 😭 Tatsumaki either crushes or I try prep and Merlin just wins because she's smarter
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crush her how? shes taken hits from stronger beings than tatsu and going by the tiers on the forum merlin outstats plus she could teleport before fully being crush or go into her orb.. then she would be immune to tatsu attacks unless she has feats of hurting an intangible being or soul
 
Phoenks said:
Ok so the match is even worse now?

Just give it up bruh.
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Yeah I will, just close this then. (And maybe get rid of the first one since it's outdated since Merlin is 5-C now. If anyone cares about that)
 
Basically everything changed in the rematch, we now have an answer to the previous main question: « is TK even magic in verse » and thanks to Donny we know it is and therefore Merlin can absolutely null her TK attacks.

With prep time she can litteraly put an infinite trap chain that will insta kill Tatsu, stop time, BFR, create an army of millions of illusion clones to avoid Tatsu’s range.

With info analysis she has actual knowledge of the risk of TK crush too.
 
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Just because TK is considered magic in the Sins verse does not automatically mean she can nullify Tatsumaki's TK. That is not how cross-verse works.

Tatsumaki's telekinesis is explicitly not magic. It is an esper ability. Which is an inherited ability in OPM which is tied to your mind. It doesn't rely on mana nor is it described as magic. So if her Power Nullification is specifically tied to the Nullification of magic, there is no proof she can nullify OPM esper abilities.

And it doesn't get equalized to being magic in a verse equalization setting since it is not a similar power system.

Magic is a universal system in 7DS. Esper ability is an extremely restricted power system in OPM that only a handful of characters have. It is also distinct from other OPM power systems, such as Ki and martial arts.

This is a mismatch, but I do want to clarify that.
 
Phoenks said:
Just because TK is considered magic in the Sins verse does not automatically mean she can nullify Tatsumaki's TK. That is not how cross-verse works.

Tatsumaki's telekinesis is explicitly not magic. It is an esper ability. Which is an inherited ability in OPM which is tied to your mind. It doesn't rely on mana nor is it described as magic. So if her Power Nullification is specifically tied to the Nullification of magic, there is no proof she can nullify OPM esper abilities.

And it doesn't get equalized to being magic in a verse equalization setting since it is not a similar power system.

Magic is a universal system in 7DS. Esper ability is an extremely restricted power system in OPM that only a handful of characters have. It is also distinct from other OPM power systems, such as Ki and martial arts.

This is a mismatch, but I do want to clarify that.
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Magic in NNT involves things ranging from natural, unnatural, organic elements that can all be nulled via energy dispersion.
The source is different but it’s the same exact Power that can be nulled if the energy behind it is nulled.
NGL this is gonna be one hell of a back and forth so I suggest OP just restrict Absolute Cancel.

If she can’t null Tatsu’s powers then Tatsu modifying Merlin’s PC doesn’t work either as it is an entirely different Power system that she never shown she could affect.

Therefore not only this but the previous match up would be in favor of Merlin.

Currently
Tatsumaki:
LS crush (PC, range advantage, Soul storage, illusions and prior knowledge allow Merlin to counter this)

Merlin:
-Purgatory BFR (Tatsu can’t counter
-Sealing (PC) (Tatsu can’t counter
-Can spawn undetectable traps infinitely that lower resistances on top of the AP gap (Tatsu can’t counter
-Infinite TP BFR
-Range advantage (Tatsu can’t counter)
-Sleep Manip (Tatsu can’t resist)
-Instantaneous Time Stop (Tatsu can’t resist)

It is a mismatch due to prep time but if Tatsu can’t bypass PC then she would lose anyway.
 
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Makai641001 said:
Magic in NNT involves things ranging from natural, unnatural, organic elements that can all be nulled via energy dispersion.
The source is different but it’s the same exact Power that can be nulled if the energy behind it is nulled.
NGL this is gonna be one hell of a back and forth so I suggest OP just restrict Absolute Cancel.
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I mean, I'm sorry but you're just objectively wrong on the point about Power Nullification.

You yourself admit that the source of the powers are different.

If you can nullify the source of one power system, that doesn't mean you can nullify the sources of other power systems. Unless you treat both sources as the same under verse equalization. But verse equalization does not apply between 7DS Magic and Esper abilities as they are not even remotely the same in mechanics.
 
Phoenks said:
I mean, I'm sorry but you're just objectively wrong on the point about Power Nullification.

You yourself admit that the source of the powers are different.

If you can nullify the source of one power system, that doesn't mean you can nullify the sources of other power systems. Unless you treat both sources as the same under verse equalization. But verse equalization does not apply between 7DS Magic and Esper abilities as they are not even remotely the same in mechanics.
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As I said let’s just restrict it anyway so no one can even think about arguing on this.

What about the wincons I listed do you agree with them ?

Can tatsu counter and beat Merlin ?
 
I don't particular care to argue about this matchup when it is a blatant mismatch.

It is at best an inconclusive match. Why?

Because Tatsumaki has exactly one (1) first move, which is a thought-based TK Crush.

So even if Merlin has her own thought-based win conditions, she at best manages a tie.

Thought based win-condition VS thought based win-condition = Inconclusive

We went over this in the original matchup. I'd rather not have to explain it all again.
 
Phoenks said:
I don't particular care to argue about this matchup when it is a blatant mismatch.

It is at best an inconclusive match. Why?

Because Tatsumaki has exactly one (1) first move, which is a thought-based TK Crush.

So even if Merlin has her own thought-based win conditions, she at best manages a tie.

Thought based win-condition VS thought based win-condition = Inconclusive

We went over this in the original matchup. I'd rather not have to explain it all again.
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Merlin has prep time + can easily counter Tatsu only win condition.
 
speedster352 said:
Yeah because if Tasu gets sent to purgatory she loses.
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Merlin:
-Purgatory BFR (Tatsu can’t counter
-Sealing (PC) (Tatsu can’t counter
-Can spawn undetectable traps infinitely that lower resistances on top of the AP gap (Tatsu can’t counter
-Infinite TP BFR
-Range advantage (Tatsu can’t counter)
-Sleep Manip (Tatsu can’t resist)
-Instantaneous Time Stop (Tatsu can’t resist)

This matchup is basically similar to getting spawntrapped in MW2 by billions of claymores
 
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