The Mah-vel Unfawking Thread Step Three: I Came Back with Milk

[The_Impress]

i forgor

In step 1 we established the Grey Hulk feat is an outlier and as such, dogshit to use.

In step 1.5 we established the Champion of the Universe is a bad character to scale 5-Bs from, and as such he isn't scaleable anymore.

In step 2 we established that the rest of the feats were suspect and except Human Torch (who is a variable) no one else could uniformly say the others were worth keeping

So this is now the rescale/feat collection thread as a result, to find other feats for this 5-B tier

not much to say, ig, just post stuff

Spoiler: Characters affected by this revision

Apocalypse (Marvel Comics)
Namor (Marvel Comics)
The Sentry
Cable (Marvel Comics)
Hulk (Marvel Comics)
Colossus (Marvel Comics)
Emma Frost
Venom (Edward Brock)
Magneto (Marvel Comics)
Red Hulk
Black Bolt (Marvel Comics)
Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers)
Black Panther (Marvel Comics)
Super Skrull
Rogue (Marvel Comics)
Winter Soldier (Marvel Comics)
She-Hulk
Human Torch
Juggernaut (Marvel Comics)
Abomination (Marvel Comics)
Sandman (Marvel Comics)
The Champion of the Universe
Amadeus Cho
Cyclops (Marvel Comics)
Scarlet Witch (Marvel Comics)
Nico Minoru
Nova (Richard Rider)
Red She-Hulk
Magik (Marvel Comics)
Blue Marvel
Moonstone
Wonder Man
Moon Knight (Marvel Comics)
Mister Sinister
Annihilus
Havok
Fin Fang Foom
Ronan the Accuser (Marvel Comics)
Nova (Sam Alexander)
Count Nefaria (Marvel Comics)
High Evolutionary
Mindless Ones (Marvel)
Latveria
Kobik
Klaw (Marvel Comics)
Shuri
Maestro (Marvel Comics)
M.O.D.O.K.
Godzilla (Marvel Comics)
Wakanda (Marvel Comics)
Korg (Marvel Comics)
Drax the Destroyer (Marvel Comics)
King Hyperion
Genis-Vell
Hellcat (Marvel Comics)
Vector (Marvel Comics)
Corvus Glaive (Marvel Comics)
X-Ray (Marvel Comics)
Glorian (Marvel Comics)
Proxima Midnight (Marvel Comics)
Xemnu (Marvel Comics)
Ikaris (Marvel Comics)
Tiger Shark (Marvel Comics)
Thena (Marvel Comics)
Sersi (Marvel Comics)
Wendigo (Marvel Comics)
Anti-Man (Marvel Comics)
Bishop (Marvel Comics)
Lash (Marvel Comics)
Star-Lord (Modern)
Nick Fury (Marvel Comics)
Wasp (Marvel Comics)
Pyro (Marvel Comics)
Gamora (Marvel Comics)
Lockjaw
Awesome Android (Marvel Comics)
Sunspot (Marvel Comics)
Mojo (Marvel Comics)
Orb (Marvel Comics)
Monster Android (Marvel Comics)
Machinesmith (Marvel Comics)
Dragon Man (Marvel Comics)
America Chavez (Marvel Comics)
Volcana (Marvel Comics)
Ant-Man (Scott Lang)
Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell)
Sphinx (Marvel Comics)
Hank Pym (Marvel Comics)
Nebula (Marvel Comics)
Man-Thing (Pre-Rebirth)
Hyperion (Squadron Supreme)
Hyperion (Squadron Sinister)
Iron Fist (Marvel Comics)
J'son (Marvel Comics)
Monica Rambeau (Marvel Comics)
Iron Man Armor Model 50
Iron Man Armor Model 54
Iron Man Armor Model 65
Man-Thing (Post-Rebirth)
Iron Man Armor Model 42
Iron Man Armor Model 29
Minotaur (Dario Agger)
Iron Man Armor Model 37
Iron Man Armor Model 16
War Machine Armor Model 6
Iron Man Armor Model 13
War Machine (Marvel Comics)
Doctor Doom
Jean Grey (Marvel Comics)
Executioner (Marvel Comics)
Santa Claus (Marvel Comics)
Daimon Hellstrom (Marvel Comics)
Satana Hellstrom (Marvel Comics)
Human Robot (Post-Golden Age)
Space Phantom (Marvel Comics)
Vision (Jonas)
Iron Lad (Marvel Comics)
Star (Marvel Comics)
Iron Man Armor Model 51
Mercy (Marvel Comics)
The Thing (Marvel Comics)
Invisible Woman (Marvel Comics)
Cassandra Nova (Marvel Comics)
Carnage (Marvel Comics)
Bi-Beast (Marvel Comics)
Exodus (Marvel Comics)
Grey Gargoyle (Marvel Comics)
Ragnarok (Marvel Comics)
Theodore Altman (Hulkling)
Lauri-Ell the Accuser
The Blob (Marvel Comics)
Deathurge
Wiccan (Marvel Comics)
Volstagg (Marvel Comics)
Angela (Marvel Comics)
Supreme Intelligence (Marvel Comics)
Loki (Marvel Comics) (Classic)
Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan)
Agatha Harkness (Marvel Comics)
Kree (Marvel Comics)
M.O.D.O.K. Superior
Hallows' Eve (Marvel Comics)
Graviton (Marvel Comics)
Radioactive Man (Marvel Comics)
Polaris (Marvel Comics)
Mister Fantastic
Escapade (Marvel Comics)
Scientist Supreme (Andrew Forson)
Firebird (Marvel Comics)

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I'm not sure if it's even valid because comics are confusing but I found this Umbra survives the destruction of a planet, it would scale to Ben who the next issue defeated him, Umbra also took on Human torch's "nova flame" (Which I assume it's supernova") so he could scale to that value on Human torch's profile too.
It was even calced off site too

 

[The_Impress]

Marvel: Wonky Calcs on Thing's page

The Thing's page currently lists three very questionable calcs, coming from NarutoForums. Umbra tanking Planet Explosion In the next issue, we get more context of what actually happened during the planetary explosion. An unknown force turned the siphon's energy flow (Siphon was the planet...

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Umbra feat got rejected here. Coupla' more too, so yeah. NarutoForums is an old ass website with a lot of jank shit in it.

I personally think the arguments are valid, but if you disagree strongly we can redebate

 

[Antvasima]

@Qawsedf234 @Firestorm808 @EmperorRorepmeThree @Elizio33 @MarvelFanatic119 @Catzlaflame @Lightning_XXI @Eseseso @Excellence616 @Emirp sumitpo @Quantu @IdiosyncraticLawyer @LordTracer @ProfectusInfinity @Maverick_Zero_X @Dark-Carioca @ObberGobb @Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus @FinePoint @SamanPatou @Starter_Pack @Eficiente @Adr10K @ExcelsisBerny

Your help would be appreciated here.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Monica Rambeau’s profile cites her threatening to destroy a planet in her hard light form, was that one already discussed last time?

 

[Eseseso]

The Silver Surfer once said Loki's magic could decimate a planet, but that seems more High 6-A

 

[ObberGobb]

I'll list a handful of "maybes" here. They might have already been brought up, and maybe rejected, on other threads, but I figured I might as well bring them up:

• The Thing survived a Power Cosmic blast that could split the planet in two
• Iron Man survived the explosion of Sol's Hammer
• Blastaar has the power to destroy worlds
• Iron Man survived a portion of an Infinity Gauntlet blast which destroyed the West Coast

There are also these feats the wiki used to use, which could maybe be reevaluated if needed:

• https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:The_Imp-ress/The_Mandarin_shakes_the_state
• https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...osaurFan/Captain_Marvel_Meteor-busting_Recalc
• https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ron_Man_Destroys_a_Rock_the_Size_of_Manhattan
• https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Asyulus/Tony_Stark_a.k.a._Iron_Man_stops_Bomb

Also, while we are at it, I want the verse page and every profile of this tier to have very specific and comprehensive explanations of what this tier is and why characters are here and not Herald Tiers. I also think that 5-B pages also shouldn't list feats against Heralds like Thor. Instead, those feats could be mentioned in a note with an explanation of why fighting a probably holding back Thor on Earth isn't deemed enough to scale to.

 

[ObberGobb]

The Silver Surfer once said Loki's magic could decimate a planet, but that seems more High 6-A

I don't think we should use Loki as a scaling point for this tier, as he is much higher than this level

 

[Rex_Eckles]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ron_Man_Destroys_a_Rock_the_Size_of_Manhattan

I could've sworn a past CRT ultimately removed this, but I don't remember.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I think that Iron Man armors have related calculations, and The Thing recently had a replica of Earth's Moon dropped on him by a copy of Jean Grey created by the Impossible Man with no apparent damage.

 

[Eseseso]

Well, I think that Iron Man armors have related calculations, and The Thing recently had a replica of Earth's Moon dropped on him by a copy of Jean Grey created by the Impossible Man with no apparent damage.

Something something surface area + kinetic energy

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Marvel: Wonky Calcs on Thing's page

The Thing's page currently lists three very questionable calcs, coming from NarutoForums. Umbra tanking Planet Explosion In the next issue, we get more context of what actually happened during the planetary explosion. An unknown force turned the siphon's energy flow (Siphon was the planet...

vsbattles.com

Umbra feat got rejected here. Coupla' more too, so yeah. NarutoForums is an old ass website with a lot of jank shit in it.

I personally think the arguments are valid, but if you disagree strongly we can redebate

I feel like it's really weird, they specifically stated that after the explosion he was 93 Million miles away which would still be maybe 1 or 2 planets away clearly within the same solar system so the comic calling it a different corner of the universe makes no sense, the comic in this very scene still describes what was happening to the star which lead to the planets destruction.

Could he still scale to Human Torch?

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I think that Iron Man armors have related calculations, and The Thing recently had a replica of Earth's Moon dropped on him by a copy of Jean Grey created by the Impossible Man with no apparent damage.

The comicbook where this happened is called "Marvel All-On-One".

 

[The_Impress]

Monica Rambeau’s profile cites her threatening to destroy a planet in her hard light form, was that one already discussed last time?

Peak feat, scales only to herself

I'll list a handful of "maybes" here. They might have already been brought up, and maybe rejected, on other threads, but I figured I might as well bring them up:

• The Thing survived a Power Cosmic blast that could split the planet in two

Addressed already in Step 2

• Iron Man survived the explosion of Sol's Hammer

Scales only to that Superior Iron Man armor, which is Variable

• Blastaar has the power to destroy worlds

Blastaar is fighting Thor in that scan, plus destroying worlds is too vague

• Iron Man survived a portion of an Infinity Gauntlet blast which destroyed the West Coast

Think that's tier 6

There are also these feats the wiki used to use, which could maybe be reevaluated if needed:

• https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:The_Imp-ress/The_Mandarin_shakes_the_state
• https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...osaurFan/Captain_Marvel_Meteor-busting_Recalc
• https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ron_Man_Destroys_a_Rock_the_Size_of_Manhattan
• https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Asyulus/Tony_Stark_a.k.a._Iron_Man_stops_Bomb

k

The Manhattan feat is an outlier, that's Model 8, which is currently 8-B

Also Model 45 can likely not scale to rest, so

Also, while we are at it, I want the verse page and every profile of this tier to have very specific and comprehensive explanations of what this tier is and why characters are here and not Herald Tiers. I also think that 5-B pages also shouldn't list feats against Heralds like Thor. Instead, those feats could be mentioned in a note with an explanation of why fighting a probably holding back Thor on Earth isn't deemed enough to scale to.

Please don't tack your revisions onto my own revisions. I don't mean it in a mean way, just that this thread is gonna be long, potentially, so we can't afford to get sidetracked


Also can we PLEASE LIST ISSUE NUMBERS? I really don't want another OOC scan suggested that will get knocked off again 5 revisions down the line

 

[The_Impress]

I feel like it's really weird, they specifically stated that after the explosion he was 93 Million miles away which would still be maybe 1 or 2 planets away clearly within the same solar system so the comic calling it a different corner of the universe makes no sense, the comic in this very scene still describes what was happening to the star which lead to the planets destruction.

I mean, its a stupid feat in a stupid comic for a stupid villain that no longer gets used.

So yeah, it doesn't make much sense coz it's not a very good feat imo lol

Could he still scale to Human Torch?

who's "he" here?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I
who's "he" here?

Umbra e directly absorbed with his armour the power of Johnny's supernova fire.

 

[The_Impress]

Umbra e directly absorbed with his armour the power of Johnny's supernova fire.

meh, what's the issue number, I'll recheck.

Supernova is honestly probably like Hulk/Silver Surfer tier that we're lowering to be Thing tier anyways. Johnny and Sue are meant to be powerhouses afterall

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

meh, what's the issue number, I'll recheck.

Supernova is honestly probably like Hulk/Silver Surfer tier that we're lowering to be Thing tier anyways. Johnny and Sue are meant to be powerhouses afterall

The scans are in my first comment and the issue number is also there

 

[The_Impress]

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Guy says his armor can withstand "nuclear fires of stars", if Nova Flames can be equated to Supernova, that statement can be equated to Star level.

So either this guy is 4-C/4-B (invalidating the whole scaling) or his armor has a fire resist on that level, either way doesn't scale.

 

[The_Impress]

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And in general I feel like writer has the same old "Thing can fight this guy, why? Because he has fought Silver Surfer and the Hulk equally, dammit."

This is a Stern comic, Roger Stern is a comics legend but man, he has basically his own powerscaling logic going at this point that most writers didn't adopt. He also wrote the Spidey-Juggernaut story for instance.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

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Guy says his armor can withstand "nuclear fires of stars", if Nova Flames can be equated to Supernova, that statement can be equated to Star level.

So either this guy is 4-C/4-B (invalidating the whole scaling) or his armor has a fire resist on that level, either way doesn't scale.

Nuclear fires of stars are not tier 4 it's much lower unless he is stated to be as powerful as a entire star that wouldn't be tier 4, and previous frames state that he was absorbing Johnny's fire to increase his armour's power supply

 

[The_Impress]

Nuclear fires of stars are not tier 4 it's much lower unless he is stated to be as powerful as a entire star that wouldn't be tier 4

If Nova Flames can mean "hyperspecific super attack Supernova that I used in that one comic with Namor with the exact same output" then Nuclear flames of stars can mean a star exploding.

previous frames state that he was absorbing Johnny's fire to increase his armour's power supply

So the armor is variable and doesn't scale anyways? k

Again fire interacts with AP and durability weird. You can have an insanely high fire resist and still be 10-B, and vice versa. Cue that one Goku on Namek clip

 

[The_Impress]

Like idk man, the feat's suspect as shit and doesn't really work imo

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

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And in general I feel like writer has the same old "Thing can fight this guy, why? Because he has fought Silver Surfer and the Hulk equally, dammit."

This is a Stern comic, Roger Stern is a comics legend but man, he has basically his own powerscaling logic going at this point that most writers didn't adopt. He also wrote the Spidey-Juggernaut story for instance.

Every writer has their own interpretation unless you want to split the story for every writer then there is no point in nitpicking a writer.

If Nova Flames can mean "hyperspecific super attack Supernova that I used in that one comic with Namor with the exact same output" then Nuclear flames of stars can mean a star exploding.

The context suggest he is using everything he can against an opponent that is overwhelming him, so it being supernova makes a lot of sense, also he absorbed johnny's power until it was stated he has almost nothing left so either ways he would scale to Johnny's full power.

So the armor is variable and doesn't scale anyways? k

RIght after absorbing johnny's power it was the thing that saved him by breaking the armour so pretty sure the armour being "variable" is irrelevant since Thing would still scale to it's full power.

Again fire interacts with AP and durability weird. You can have an insanely high fire resist and still be 10-B, and vice versa. Cue that one Goku on Namek clip

Fire resistant is irrelevant since he was absorbing the power not resisting the temperatures.

 

[The_Impress]

Every writer has their own interpretation unless you want to split the story for every writer then there is no point in nitpicking a writer.

No you can, that's a slippery slop fallacy you're making. It doesn't have to be an extreme. A writer can just be unreliable and you don't have to take every word they say as gospel. That is the entire crux of like 8 different policy pages on the wiki.

Like, do YOU want me to take that one Avengers writer's WoG of bullet-vulnerable Thor as canon? Or Cates' Juggernaut level Spider-Man statement?

The context suggest he is using everything he can against an opponent that is overwhelming him, so it being supernova makes a lot of sense, also he absorbed johnny's power until it was stated he has almost nothing left so either ways he would scale to Johnny's full power.

Not necessarily, he is in a compromised position and Johnny operates on some vague mana system usually. He can be depleted and trying hard anyways

RIght after absorbing johnny's power it was the thing that saved him by breaking the armour so pretty sure the armour being "variable" is irrelevant since Thing would still scale to it's full power.

https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/066477cbc201.jpg

No he just leaves him.... where are you getting the "breaks armor" bit? He beats Umbra by punching him in the face like 50 times, Sue then traps him and Umbra surrenders

Fire resistant is irrelevant since he was absorbing the power not resisting the temperatures.

Can be both. Literally no reason to assume otherwise and he had already depleted a bunch of his powers on rays anyways.

Meanwhile I found more dumb shit

https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/308bbb1b418d.jpg

Sue claims Umbra's blasts could literally overpower her forcefields. You know, the Galaxy level ones.

https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/308bbb1b418d.jpg

Torch directly compares him to the Hulk

Like, again this is just you making very specific conclusions from vague ass scans, and you FORCEFULLY ignore any other interpretation or contradictions.

The more I look at this feat the less usable it gets, it's powerscaling nonsense from a writer whose scalings no one really uses, and even in the context of the feat it has like 50 outs anyways.

 

[The_Impress]

Does anyone have any other feats than shit that has been debunked an year ago? No new feats? Same old?

 

[Jason_Courne]

Was Classic Ms. Marvel scaling to Skarab scaling to Hecate discussed?

It seems decent-ish, but more so implies Multi Continental rather than Planetary

 

[The_Impress]

Was Classic Ms. Marvel scaling to Skarab scaling to Hecate discussed?

It seems decent-ish, but more so implies Multi Continental rather than Planetary

k, got a few tier 6 feats

Carol is one of those characters that while does have holdback, she isn't that rigid over it, so decent scaling

 

[Antvasima]

The Thing recently had a replica of Earth's Moon dropped on him by a copy of Jean Grey created by the Impossible Man with no apparent damage.

The comicbook where this happened is called "Marvel All-On-One".

Is somebody willing to calculate this feat please?

Edit: Here it is.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

No you can, that's a slippery slop fallacy you're making. It doesn't have to be an extreme. A writer can just be unreliable and you don't have to take every word they say as gospel. That is the entire crux of like 8 different policy pages on the wiki.

I don't take every word as gospel, but I'm not going to completely ignore just because of a vague power scale that many of the things writers use, many times has The thing fought and taken punches from Hulk, multiple times he has been stated or implied to be somewhat relative to Hulk, this specific case doesn't even say he is relative to them and actually implies he took beatings from them considered the next frame talks about how he never gives up when he is being beaten

Like, do YOU want me to take that one Avengers writer's WoG of bullet-vulnerable Thor as canon? Or Cates' Juggernaut level Spider-Man statement?

Consistency comes first, everything count but requires consistency, if the thing as multiple feats supporting planet level or close I don't see why it would be ignored this time.

Not necessarily, he is in a compromised position and Johnny operates on some vague mana system usually. He can be depleted and trying hard anyways

Because he has a certain "mana" system his entire energy scales to at least higher than his usual output in supernova, since supernova is nothing else but an increase of output while still using the same source it's why his time while using supernova is limited.

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No he just leaves him.... where are you getting the "breaks armor" bit? He beats Umbra by punching him in the face like 50 times, Sue then traps him and Umbra surrenders

Right after the first punch he states his armour is malfunctioning and was damaged

Can be both. Literally no reason to assume otherwise and he had already depleted a bunch of his powers on rays anyways.

You mean human torch? First all the rays he wasted was attacking umbra which Umbra absorbed into his armour second he activated his most powerful attacks at the end because he saw no other way, and the value that he scales is his casual output as supernova not the full power.

Meanwhile I found more dumb shit

https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/308bbb1b418d.jpg

Sue claims Umbra's blasts could literally overpower her forcefields. You know, the Galaxy level ones.

Sue's shields have been broken many times by weaker foes I'm not even sure her shields are actually tier 3 consistent.

https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/308bbb1b418d.jpg

Torch directly compares him to the Hulk

Most likely comparing the same hulk that has on multiple occasions fought the thing, the Hulk that holds back, the thing is currently scaling to the Hulk's lowest value exactly for the many times they are compared.

Like, again this is just you making very specific conclusions from vague ass scans, and you FORCEFULLY ignore any other interpretation or contradictions.

Your specific conclusions are more vague than what I said.

 

[Antvasima]

Is somebody willing to calculate this feat please?

Edit: Here it is.

I asked about it here.

Calculation Requests Thread (New forum)

Priority: 1 (New Verse) Verse: Shinobi Undercover Description: Yodaka catches an arm moving at transonic speeds Will set a speed for the verse. Some characters will directly scale to feat and others will downscale Bump ×3

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[ObberGobb]

The Manhattan feat is an outlier, that's Model 8, which is currently 8-B

I'm not particularly attached to that feat, but I don't think we should dismiss it based on that. Frankly every classic Iron Man's rating he wrong, he is consistently shown to be relative to other currently 5-B characters like Wonder Man, Giant Man, Namor, etc. Of course that's a topic for a different thread, but basically I don't think we should dismiss feats from characters currently listed as below 5-B.

And, on that note... I think we should also consider feats from characters currently above 5-B, like Nova or some of the 3-Cs. As I'm doing research on these feats, and reading more classic comics, I'm starting to think our Herald splits are wrong. Again, I know this is a topic for a different thread, but for feat gathering purposes, I think we should take a more broad look at character tiers since the scaling is probably going to be completely overhauled soon anyway. Lets not discuss the scaling here, that will be a later thread, but still. I think feats from variable characters, like Endo-Sym Iron Man, should also still be collected. Basically my point is I don't think we should quickly dismiss things based on current scaling, I think we should mainly consider objective/direct feats.

 

[ObberGobb]

Cyclops hits Juggernaut with a beam strong enough to rip a small planet in half.

Super Skrull's flames are so hot that Thor fears Earth might not survive them

Super Skrull says he has ravaged planets with his own hands, detonated stars, and collapsed worlds

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Cyclops hits Juggernaut with a beam strong enough to rip a small planet in half.

Super Skrull's flames are so hot that Thor fears Earth might not survive them

Super Skrull says he has ravaged planets with his own hands, detonated stars, and collapsed worlds

I'm pretty sure the Cyclops thing was addressed last time, it's a peak-power feat that can't be used for scaling if I remember correctly.

 

[ObberGobb]

I'm pretty sure the Cyclops thing was addressed last time, it's a peak-power feat that can't be used for scaling if I remember correctly.

Oh I thought it seemed familiar

 

[The_Impress]

Is somebody willing to calculate this feat please?

Edit: Here it is.

I mean... that's the ************* Dark Phoenix. That's not really Ben's usual wheelhouse.

Even beyond that, that's a weirdly small moon.

(da yap)

Honestly, response is just the same, you're asking to take your subjective interpretations of ambiguities as fact to get the max values possible. I don't wanna waste my time on that.

I'm not particularly attached to that feat, but I don't think we should dismiss it based on that. Frankly every classic Iron Man's rating he wrong, he is consistently shown to be relative to other currently 5-B characters like Wonder Man, Giant Man, Namor, etc.

Wonder Man is a jobber, Giant Man and Namor have ABSOLUTE DOGSHIT files.

Of course that's a topic for a different thread, but basically I don't think we should dismiss feats from characters currently listed as below 5-B.

No. Don't stack 50 revisions on top on one thread. This is literally why the verse is in shambles.

And, on that note... I think we should also consider feats from characters currently above 5-B, like Nova or some of the 3-Cs. As I'm doing research on these feats, and reading more classic comics, I'm starting to think our Herald splits are wrong.

Wow, no way, current herald tiers are split wrong? I didn't know.

Totally didn't post on 7 different threads that the verse is dogshit rn.

Again, I know this is a topic for a different thread, but for feat gathering purposes, I think we should take a more broad look at character tiers since the scaling is probably going to be completely overhauled soon anyway. Lets not discuss the scaling here, that will be a later thread, but still.

No. I am not letting you derail my thread with 30 disguised upgrades. I'd straight up rather close this thread right now, make you make your revisions so I can get people to check YOUR individual upgrades with the amount of scrutiny it deserves, and then we will have this thread.

You prefer that?

I think feats from variable characters, like Endo-Sym Iron Man, should also still be collected. Basically my point is I don't think we should quickly dismiss things based on current scaling, I think we should mainly consider objective/direct feats.

No. Endo-Sym straight up used a mechanic that it didn't use in any fights to tank that damage. I don't mind counting variable tiers' upper limits, but they straight up didn't use said upper tier against ANYONE.

Super Skrull's flames are so hot that Thor fears Earth might not survive them

If we go by Suig's prior logic that "Nova Flames mean that it's Supernova" then that means that's not Super Skrull's usual output.

Also, heat feats just, don't scale that way, don't use them lmao. They're ******* dogshit for any sensible physical scaling.

Super Skrull says he has ravaged planets with his own hands, detonated stars, and collapsed worlds

Honestly this mostly reminds me our Super-Skrull page is straight ass and is probably missing the character's mechanics

4-C isn't consistent, considering all feats we are collecting are peak feats, they all serve as an anti-feat for anything higher lmao.

 

[The_Impress]

Like that's a 150 characters there, you're not starved for characters, this isn't even Spider-Man tier where there is really only one S-Lister.

If you can't come up with more than 8 feats for whatever tier you're suggesting without ******* over someone else's actual researched scaling, I think it should dawn on you already what the entire problem is.

Nova got researched that's why he's the tiers he is, Iron Man armors got researched that's why they're the tiers they are.

I literally made an entire thread for removing Champion of the Universe from the scaling for THIS EXACT reason

I'm sorry I sound heated but this is the fact of the matter, we literally SAW what happens when you stack revisions with that weirdass Herald revision that ****** everything up, hell you're critical of it. So please don't repeat it.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

I mean... that's the ************* Dark Phoenix. That's not really Ben's usual wheelhouse.

Even beyond that, that's a weirdly small moon.

Honestly, response is just the same, you're asking to take your subjective interpretations of ambiguities as fact to get the max values possible. I don't wanna waste my time on that.

Wonder Man is a jobber, Giant Man and Namor have ABSOLUTE DOGSHIT files.

No. Don't stack 50 revisions on top on one thread. This is literally why the verse is in shambles.

Wow, no way, current herald tiers are split wrong? I didn't know.

Totally didn't post on 7 different threads that the verse is dogshit rn.

No. I am not letting you derail my thread with 30 disguised upgrades. I'd straight up rather close this thread right now, make you make your revisions so I can get people to check YOUR individual upgrades with the amount of scrutiny it deserves, and then we will have this thread.

You prefer that?

No. Endo-Sym straight up used a mechanic that it didn't use in any fights to tank that damage. I don't mind counting variable tiers' upper limits, but they straight up didn't use said upper tier against ANYONE.

If we go by Suig's prior logic that "Nova Flames mean that it's Supernova" then that means that's not Super Skrull's usual output.

Also, heat feats just, don't scale that way, don't use them lmao. They're ******* dogshit for any sensible physical scaling.

Honestly this mostly reminds me our Super-Skrull page is straight ass and is probably missing the character's mechanics

4-C isn't consistent, considering all feats we are collecting are peak feats, they all serve as an anti-feat for anything higher lmao.

The last one with Super Skrull doesn't sound like a peak feat, for what it's worth. From what the scan shows, he's bragging about things he's done to Grey Hulk, seemingly to intimidate him.

 

[The_Impress]

The last one with Super Skrull doesn't sound like a peak feat, for what it's worth. From what the scan shows, he's bragging about things he's done to Grey Hulk, seemingly to intimidate him.

Oh no what I mean is, the brag is contradicted by all the other peak feats we collected so far.

Peak feats are double-edged swords where they're both a feat for their max level and an antifeat for anything higher. Since you can't go beyond "all out", can you?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Oh no what I mean is, the brag is contradicted by all the other peak feats we collected so far.

Peak feats are double-edged swords where they're both a feat for their max level and an antifeat for anything higher. Since you can't go beyond "all out", can you?

Alrighty then, thanks for the clarificaiton. But to be clear, the 5-B to 4-C statement is valid, just not consistent?

Dr. Strange's profile lists that be can blow up the moon even while extremely fatigued or drained or something. He's probably not at his normal level when he overpowered a Kaio-Ken times 10 Dr. Doom.